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Courtenay
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I haven't heard anything being said about it over here, and I live in England and am only a few hours' drive from the Scottish border! I look at the BBC's news website regularly and haven't seen any mention of it there, at least not in the headline news (I don't always go digging further than that unless there's a specific event or topic I want to know more about). But no — I've just looked at today's BBC headlines specifically for Scotland and there's absolutely nothing there about any of the royals, let alone the Scottish coronation! And yet it's less than a month away... how bizarre. Maybe there'll be more said about it closer to the time, but if you hadn't mentioned it, Wagga, I'd have no idea!

Of course, I don't know what the strength of feeling is like in Scotland when it comes to the debate over monarchy vs republic... I get the impression that there may be proportionately more anti-monarchists in Scotland than there are in England, but I haven't seen any statistics and that may just be an assumption from the Scottish independence debate. But it might lead to the Scottish coronation being kept a bit more low-key, if that is the case. Who knows... as I said, at the moment, nobody seems to be talking about it at all!

"Now you are a lioness," said Aslan. "And now all Narnia will be renewed."
(Prince Caspian)

Posted : June 16, 2023 2:42 am
waggawerewolf27
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Yes, I do find this lack of information quite strange, myself. The incoming Premier of NSW wouldn't even display anything about King Charles III's coronation on the sails of Sydney Opera House, though the Indian flag was displayed a week or so afterwards for the Indian President, who visited Sydney, recently, & when a light show called Vivid finishes today, & when everything else under the sun is portrayed on the sails of Sydney Opera House. Except for the constitutional monarch of Australia, of course. Eyeroll  

Tonight, (17 June) there was a program on SBS, Inside Westminster Abbey, where among other curious things about that building there are archives worth consulting. There was an order of service for the coronation of Richard II & his wife, Anne of Bohemia, which according to the program was the direct predecessor of all UK coronations since, right down to the 1953 coronation of Elizabeth II. 

 

Topic starter Posted : June 17, 2023 5:17 am
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Varnafinde
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I assume that in Norway it will not be mentioned either. If BBC decides to broadcast anything after all, I could always watch it - I would enjoy it! - but it seems it's not seen as a major event, then.


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Posted : June 17, 2023 10:22 am
waggawerewolf27
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I doubt that even Australia will hear much about it, either, except online, other than what I found already, when though our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese, accompanied our Governor General, David Hurley, to both Elizabeth II's funeral & to King Charles III's coronation, they might well consider that their duty to Australia is already done. 

Topic starter Posted : June 19, 2023 12:24 am
waggawerewolf27
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For details about the second Scottish coronation celebrations, I found a BBC article which lists the times that it happens. The King & Queen will travel to Scotland for Royal week.  This is the timetable for when it happens.

Royal event timings

  • 13:15People's Procession departs Edinburgh Castle Esplanade
  • 13:30People's Procession arrives at St Giles' Cathedral
  • 13:40The Honours of Scotland leave Edinburgh Castle Esplanade under military escort
  • 13:40Pipe and drums bands and the Household Cavalry move to West Parliament Square
  • 13:50The Honours of Scotland arrive at West Parliament Square by vehicle
  • 14:05Royal Procession leaves the Palace of Holyroodhouse
  • 14:15National Service of Thanksgiving and Dedication at St Giles' Cathedral
  • 15:20The King and Queen exit St Giles' to Gun Salute from Edinburgh Castle
  • 15:27Royal party arrive at Palace of Holyroodhouse
  • 15:40RAF flypast down the Royal Mile

Another BBC article from 9th June also gives much detail. The King will be presented with the Honours of Scotland at a national service of thanksgiving at St Giles' Cathedral on Wednesday 5 July 2023, UK time. The Duke & Duchess of Rothesay, as the Prince & Princess of Wales are called in Scotland, will also be present. 

Topic starter Posted : June 30, 2023 4:44 am
coracle
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@waggawerewolf27 are these all UK times? (Aka Greenwich Mean Time plus one hour Daylight Saving)

There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."

Posted : June 30, 2023 9:43 pm
waggawerewolf27
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@coracle: are these all UK times? (Aka Greenwich Mean Time plus one hour Daylight Saving)

Yes, Edinburgh, on the east coast of UK, would have the same time as London. Not that Glasgow in the West is much different, in time, that being at one of the narrowest points from west to east in on the island of Britain. 

I did notice in these articles I linked to, that the Stone of Destiny will also be present in the Cathedral of St Giles, in Edinburgh, not far from Holyrood Palace, at the bottom of the Royal Mile. 

Topic starter Posted : July 1, 2023 4:43 am
Varnafinde
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I did notice in these articles I linked to, that the Stone of Destiny will also be present in the Cathedral of St Giles, in Edinburgh, not far from Holyrood Palace, at the bottom of the Royal Mile. 

I guess that Ian Hamilton, who with his friends removed the Stone from Westminster Abbey in 1950, and who died last year a few weeks after Queen Elizabeth, would have thought that this was the main event to use the Stone for, and that there was really no point in transporting it all the way down to London and back.

Wasn't St. Giles' the church where the Queen's memorial service was held, before her coffin was brought to London?

One of those articles also said, "You can watch coverage of the event live on BBC One at 13:30 on Wednesday 5 July" (which is the time when the People's Procession arrives at St Giles' Cathedral).

I hope I'll be able to watch it - I may have some busy time that afternoon, but hopefully not exactly then ...  

@waggawerewolf27 Thanks for the information! Grin  


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Posted : July 2, 2023 5:00 pm
waggawerewolf27
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@Varnafinde: Wasn't St. Giles' the church where the Queen's memorial service was held, before her coffin was brought to London?

Yes, you are right. They had a service there, in St Giles' Cathedral, also, and I think we saw it, on You Tube. There was music played for this occasion, which was like someone thinking aloud, & it was very beautiful, indeed. I wish I could remember it, but I doubt I will ever hear it again. Our late Queen lay there for a few days before arriving in Westminster Hall, near to Westminster Abbey, when UK's Houses of Parliament are just across the square, near Whitehall. Ecclesiastes 3 was the text for the occasion. It, too, has been set to music. Mary Hopkins sang it in the 1960's, under The Beatles' Apple label, and another, more recent group also sang "Turn, Turn, Turn". There is also a Westminster Cathedral, in London, not really far from Westminster Abbey. But this Cathedral is the Roman Catholic Cathedral, & it is nowhere near as old as Westminster Abbey, which is Church of England, like St Paul's Cathedral, across the city, near the Gherkin, I think.  

I'd be interested to find out if that is the only time that the Scottish, in Edinburgh, have been involved in part of the mourning for a deceased monarch, since Queen Anne passed away in 1714. James, the 1st of England was also James VI of Scotland, uniting these two nations in 1603. He was followed by Charles 1st & Charles II, neither of whom left London, whilst James II (or James VII of Scotland), passed away in France. When the rest of the Stuart line passed away, they, too, passed away in London.

By the way, there was also a mention in the articles I linked to, of what happened when Queen Elizabeth II became Queen Elizabeth 1st, Queen of Scots, because in Scotland the sovereign might have a different number to what is true of England. Charles III, himself, will not change. But the now Prince of Wales, Prince William, would be William V in England, but only William IV in Scotland. Neither William the Conqueror nor his successor, William II (Rufus), were ever kings of Scotland who at the time was ruled by Scotland's Dunkeld dynasty, when Malcolm III Canmore & his wife, St Margaret of Scotland, were their monarchs. However, Scotland did have a king of their own called William the Lion. And William III (of Orange), & the husband of Mary II of both England & Scotland, in what was called the Dual Monarchy, was also the Stadtholder of the Dutch Republic.

@Courtenay: Of course, I don't know what the strength of feeling is like in Scotland when it comes to the debate over monarchy vs republic... I get the impression that there may be proportionately more anti-monarchists in Scotland.

Much of the push in Scotland seems to be for independence from England. There was a referendum in 2014, where the Queen suggested to a bystander at Crathie church, near Balmoral, to think carefully when casting her vote. That referendum was defeated, unlike the Brexit referendum, the following year. With Nicole Sturgeon as First Minister, a second independence vote has been on the cards, since.

In 2009, when we visited the place, I heard about the Orkneys wanting to become independent of Scotland, as well as faraway England, maybe with the hopes of becoming part of Norway, which is closer to them, linguistically as well, & this morning, Monday, 3rd July, I heard the same thing to be happening on the news. 

Topic starter Posted : July 2, 2023 8:18 pm
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Varnafinde
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"You can watch coverage of the event live on BBC One"

... if you have a TV Licence for BBC. Sad  


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Posted : July 5, 2023 7:12 am
coracle
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@varna I can't use my old account for BBC's     i-player, as it recognises my ISP is not UK. 

So I'll just have to see if our TV here is linking to it. 

There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."

Posted : July 5, 2023 3:58 pm
waggawerewolf27
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I didn't see it either, when it was too late in the evening, for me to watch anything. But this afternoon, having read your remarks, we did get to see a bit of it, in dribs & drabs, on YouTube, though we couldn't find the service, itself. The Royal family channel gave us the best chance of at least seeing the processions, & The Daily Telegraph (UK) plus CNN supplied a bit more information. The processions were mainly soldiers & sailors, with kilted pipe bands aplenty. There were three or four heralds outside St Giles, dressed up in cream-coloured breeches, white stockings & surcoats patterned with the Royal arms, whilst bagpipes skirling loudly drowned out the "Not my king" cries, though there were plenty of other spectators. King Charles was wearing the sable robes of the Order of the Thistle, whilst both Queen Camilla & the Prince of Wales wore green robes of the Order of the Thistle. The honours of Scotland were brought down by car, & the sceptre & sword was presented to Charles III, seemingly outside the Cathedral. I did get a glimpse of Charles III wearing the Scottish crown, but that was all. There was a mention in today's Dailies, but I think that we will have to wait to see better pictures. 

Topic starter Posted : July 6, 2023 12:13 am
Varnafinde
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I guess I might have been allowed to buy a TV licence there and then, and to use it from abroad. But it wouldn't be worth it spending that much on it and then only use it once. But if there are snippets on YouTube, I'd love to watch some of those. What should I search for?

I looked for it, but I think it wasn't even mentioned on Norwegian TV.

Good to hear that King Charles was wearing the crown at some point, I guess that was the main point of the ceremony. I assume he was not sitting on the Stone, although that would have been a great detail to introduce Giggle  

 


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Posted : July 6, 2023 3:42 pm
coracle
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We had a report on it, on the 6pm news last night.
Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors [I believe that many were not Scottish but had travelled up from England, a sort of rent-a-crowd] as about the coronation.
I heard one sentence spoken by the King.

There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."

Posted : July 6, 2023 6:08 pm
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Courtenay
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Posted by: @coracle

Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors [I believe that many were not Scottish but had travelled up from England, a sort of rent-a-crowd] as about the coronation.

I think the protestors are getting a lot of airtime simply because it's a relatively novel thing. During the late Queen's lifetime there weren't nearly as many public protests against the monarchy, largely because she was so loved and respected — even a lot of people who were opposed to the monarchy in principle wouldn't openly say a bad word against the Queen herself and they might even admit she was doing a pretty good job. Now the attitude seems to be "now that she's gone, the gloves are off" (I saw an anti-monarchy protestor quoted as saying something to that effect). Which I think is a bit sad, but this is a democracy and they do have a right to make their views known so long as they're not harming anyone.

It's probably also because New Zealand, like Australia, has the British monarch as its head of state, but there's a good deal of debate within those countries as to whether that should continue, so protests against the monarchy in Britain itself are seen as a point of interest. As a dual citizen, I can see both sides of the argument, which I won't go into here, as this forum (rightly!) is not the place for getting into political discussions.

"Now you are a lioness," said Aslan. "And now all Narnia will be renewed."
(Prince Caspian)

Posted : July 7, 2023 2:07 am
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