I think that people are scared because they have now finally seen all of the changes. Before it was just stuff we had heard about in rumor and from actors and from the footage from the spit, but now actually seeing all the changes, it is scary because of what they did to PC.

They may have a new director, but i think the writers are the same.

The trailer is simply not well constructed. Even if the everything else looked good, the structure of the trailer is severely lacking. I'm not scared, I'm curious and hopeful that the next trailer will be better. Much better.

^Ditto Warrior. Let's just hope for the best in the movie! Maybe they will do better?

I think Josh you have to imagine if you were in the position of the director, wouldn't you be like a bit pressured about how to make the book into a movie? I mean, the book has lots of events happening in it, and a movie only runs for 2 to 3 hours usually, so if you include all the scenes, it would take about 5 hours or even 7 hours to do so. And I think the 'cheesy' humor you're saying is, well, I agree a bit wrong but, they already did it, so, in VDT, i know they will correct the things they've done not quite good in PC.

I don't get what that has to do with my post but...okay

What I meant is that I'm getting sick of people attributing PC's boxoffice issues to it being dark...which it really wasnt by most movie standards. My point was, if PC should be bashed, it should be for its cheesy and out of place Disney humor.

PC would have been a success if it really went the more mature and darker route. But since it flopped for different reasons, the movie makers think it failed because it was "darker" which is why we are getting the overly kiddie feel from this new trailer which I hope does not reflect the tone of the movie.

Btw, Personally I liked the movie Peter simply because I found him more relatable and I thought William Mosely gave the best performance in the film. I really don't think he was being selfish or even that arrogant. I think people just interpreted his actions the wrong way. He felt responsible for what happend to Narnia which is why he felt it was his duty to make it right...not Caspians. Btw, it was Caspian's fault for screwing up the Night Raid which would have worked if he werent being selfish by wanting to confront Miraz.

Still, I would be upset if they tried to repeat Peter's character arc in the second film, in the role of Edmund.

But I don't think Edmund's "I'm a King!" line should be taken as him being full of himself.

I find it hard to see why people hate this trailer. It's a series of exciting or intriguing moments, sewn together without actually following the story.

What else does a trailer do? especially when it's a teaser trailer.

The LWW teaser trailer set up the kids' bleak situation in the professor's house, and then slowly slowly built up the excitment about Lucy stepping through the wardrobe and into another world "In this house...there are many doors...". It captured the adventure of escaping into the world, and the magic of possability. The trailer was a mini-story in itself: Kids in a bleak situation escape into a magical world of possability. When Lucy is slowly slowly walking up to the wardrobe..... you cannot help but get sucked into the magic of the moment, even if you've never read the book. I felt good about the movie after seeing that trailer.

The PC teaser trailer showed the kids returning to Cair Paravel and realizing it was not Cair as they remembered it. We got a sense that Narnia was not what it once was, and now it had to be restored ("1 year for them...1300 years for Narnia"). The innocense of Narnia we remembered from LWW was gone ("You may find Narnia a more savage place then you remmeber."). The trailer was a mini-story: The kids return to a Narnia 1300 years later and discover that Narnia is a darker place and now it's up to them to do something about it. After seeing that, I felt better about where they were taking the plot, because it seemed like the essence was still there.

The VDT teaser trailer is a series of seemingly unrelated images that are all strung together in a sequence while they nail every single trailer cliche. Try re-watching the LWW and PC trailers now. You really don't see a difference?

It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth about the movie. It's just a bad piece of marketing that, unlike the LWW and PC teaser trailers, is likley not a reflection of the final film.

Ah! I finally got what you meant glumpuddle! It's the *trailer* itself that's poorly *done* not the footage or story pieces that you dislike I get you!

I don't think you can decide to make a faithful adaptation anymore than you can decide to make a great movie.

Hmm...I hadn't thought of it that way before. Very true, but at the very least you can decide not to make an unfaithful adaptation.

Pepper Darcy, the reason the trailer bothers me personally is because there are only three or four shots which are not controversial. From the opening shot of wartime England to the final "in 3D" the trailer is filled with shots that seems as if they were specifically chosen to make fans upset. Some controversy is expected, but a whole trailer worth? That's a bit much. If the trailer is truely a random sampling of the film, and if the trailer is this bad, then it bodes ill for the film. I want to believe that this will be a good film, but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

I agree with coracle. Part of me finds the pessimism a little off-putting. Some of you may have forgotten ("but we badgers remember well...") that roughly 18 months ago the fate of this franchise was uncertain. Now, here we are, trading complaints about the structure of a two-minute teaser trailer for a two hour movie.

I note that most of the negativity, if not all if it, is coming from individuals who haven't seen anything but the teaser. We had two positive reports from the admins of Narniaweb and Narniafans about the plot, footage, concept art, and whatnot. Ditto for the Christianity Today piece and the individuals they interviewed. The Biola Conference reports were positive, and I understand the footage shown there was slightly different from the teaser. Whoever saw the 35 minutes of completed footage was positive about it in their tip to Narniaweb. How quickly some have forgotten this!

This teaser, like it or not, seems to set up the following plotline. Edmund and Lucy, each a bit older, are living in WW2-era England. They are transported with a third character through a painting into Narnia. They re-unite with familiar characters. But they find out there are no wars. Why are they there? Aslan says their journey lies ahead. Later, the magician tells them they will be tested. Edmund is apparently tempted by some representation of the WW, and Lucy is tempted by the book of spells. I'd say that's enough of a "tease" to set up the basis of the film. (No one should be surprised that they didn't give away the ending in the teaser.)

Toss in some beauty shots and a few cliches (which the LWW and PC trailers had too, lets be honest) and there you have it. The only truly out of place shot in my view is the inclusion of Peter and Susan at the end. But, again, this is a teaser trailer for a franchise that has been out of the mainstream for TWO YEARS. Don't be surprised if, at this point in the marketing, they emphasize what moviegoers remember from the first two films. That goes for the posters, too.

And as for those complaining about the CGI - keep in mind that the Dawn Treader herself was never dropped in water. All those shots of the boat sailing are CGI. And they all look pretty convincing to me.

just so people know, the VDT trailer comes out with the new Eclipse movie! I screamed when I saw it come on, it looks awesome on the big screen!

I'm rather tired of all the complaints about the "negativity". I completely agree with Bookwyrm's post about why we are critiquing and the mindset of purists as compared to mainstream fans.

This is a discussion forum. It is not a director/producer/whoever applause board to make them feel good about their work. Quite frankly, we are not taking jabs at those people as people, we're only critiquing their work. If you all have the impression that are comments are going to be bumming out the director and whoever and so we should "tone them down", you're taking this all too dramatically.

We're critiquing their work. We're saying what we like and don't like. We have that right, and we're having good debates and discussions. Unless I miss my guess, that is why this forum was created: to discuss and talk about a series of books and movies that we all know, and in the case of books, love.

Anyhow, if you want to avoid all critiques of the trailer, you may go over to the positive thread. Enjoy. Personally, I don't like the trailer a whole lot. The books are extremely important to me--very dear to my heart. The notion that someone can just parade into the movie scene and shred up my favorite story, cutting out jagged bits and sewing in things that don't hold true to the themes and actual story, is very distasteful to me.

I can enjoy adaptions, and I do understand that changes must be made for books to work on-screen. However, I also know that you absolutely do not need to rip out and twirl around perfectly good storylines and add strange arcs into the mix.

I'll just sit back and hope for a better trailer--and that this franchise doesn't just fail in the way of storytelling. If it does, I don't care if this franchise fails period.

I've noticed that we have many people protesting the negativity and telling us we need to quit it when I've yet to see a single person complaining about too much positivity. If one extreme must be shut up and forced out, shouldn't the other be eliminated as well? No more posts saying "I loved this and that and etc.!" or "I disliked this!". Every post needs to consist of "I watched the trailer." and nothing more, since any further comments could be perceived as negative or positive and thus could offend someone somewhere.

Wow, I really see the difference between the teaser for VDT and the other two. The other two did give a better idea of the plot. All three give random shots and in scrambled order at times but both the one for LWW and PC had extended periods of related scenes. It just occurred to me that for the movie that the made a point of saying the plot was too episodic and need to be tied together has the less tied together trailer of the three.

I am excited by this trailer. Why do some people feel it necessary to analyse a two minute piece as thoroughly as they would for a University Literature assignment?

Well, literature was one of my favorite subjects in school. I absolutely love analyzing. I'm also very curious and love a mystery so I like to try to put together all the info I have.

Pattertwig's Pal, your post made me come dangerously close to just quoting it with "I agree" written at the bottom. Well thought out and I agree with pretty much everything you said. I think VDT is really suffering from the mistakes made in PC. I know going into the start of VDT's filming, I had decided to assume the worst just to avoid the epic disappointment that I had felt with each release of PC news.

Pattertwig's Pal and Bookwyrm, you are both so right about PC negatively affecting VDT. For example, just a few of the controversies that are the result of decisions made in PC are:
Ben Barnes' Beard
Minotaurs on the Dawn Treader
The White Witch in Voyage of the Dawn Treader
Ed's "I used to be a king" line
Caspian/Ed using Rhindon
Ben's Accent

This is a topic I've thought about for quite some time. Basically before VDT can even hope to be a good movie on its own it first has to deal with all of the bad/strange decisions made for PC. I don't know about you, but I know when I watch the VDT teaser I relive a few PC controversies all over again.

Thank you Bookwyrm and Movie Aristotle for making a point of saying that you agreed with me. Great list Movie Aristotle. I definitely relive the controversies when watching the trailer. Bookwyrm, I know exactly what you mean about deciding to assume the worse.

Personally, I was extremely excited when the trailer first popped up on the internet. I wouldn't have watched it six times if I had hated it. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out what I think is wrong with it. I am still very excitedly waiting to see the movie, in the mean time, I am going to pick the trailer to bits because it is all I have. When the movie comes out, I will probably like it. And then pick it to bits afterward. Just because I pick something to bits doesn't mean I don't like it.

I love the way you put this. I think our posts crossed, so I didn't see it until after I posted my long post.

I've noticed that we have many people protesting the negativity and telling us we need to quit it when I've yet to see a single person complaining about too much positivity. If one extreme must be shut up and forced out, shouldn't the other be eliminated as well? No more posts saying "I loved this and that and etc.!" or "I disliked this!". Every post needs to consist of "I watched the trailer." and nothing more, since any further comments could be perceived as negative or positive and thus could offend someone somewhere.

This is great. I like your logic. I think there is too much of an emphasis put on being positive sometimes. We could always instate a rule that says for every negative one has to say a positive and for every positive one has to say a negative. Then everything would be nice and balanced.

I'm popping in here real quick to ask a question: does anyone know where some of the music in the trailer is from? I recognized the first song from "Stardust" (which is slightly ironic, figuring Ben Barnes was in that movie too... lol). Here's a link to it to listen to it:

If anyone knows, that'd be great. Thank you!

I can help you with that! Zeeky tracked down all the track names for us. You can read his list here.

Okay, I didn't agree with everything in the trailer, but we can't assume it's going to appear like that in the movie or that it's even going to end up in the movie. Don't editors do a few edits before they get it right, and last time we heard they hadn't finished editing it and they definitely hadn't finished the animation. There's heaps of stuff in the trailer I really dislike but there are bits I loved. Due to having not watched many trailers I didn't find it too mashed together.

Personally, I love analysing every detail of things. But why form our opinion on the movie now, especially a negative one, when the movie doesn't come out till months away. This could just be an exceptionally bad trailer, and the movie may come from behind and startle us all with being fantastic. And you've decided you won't like it on 2 minutes and 9 seconds of footage?!? The likelihood of it being completely different is high. Also I went back and watched the PC and LWW trailers and didn't think they were anything exceptional. They chopped all over the place, though I will say the LWW one did build suspense well. Still, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions but I don't think you can form an opinion on a movie because of two minutes of badly cut footage that needed lots of work to be called perfect.