Ditto, Sandy! As long as it has the feel of the book and the spirit and what was mostly important to Lewis (and a lot better adaption than PC, and I mean a *lot* better) I'll be happy with this movie =) but it does need to be a better adaption than PC and have the heart and soul of the book =) Which, it *felt* like Narnia so much I had to pick up the books and read them *all* over again. And I'm currently in The Silver Chair... =)
I'm going to wait and see and have faith that it's going to come out good... =) I hope so, I really don't want this to be a disappointment. I'm still really hoping for The Silver Chair to be a movie. And if Apted does well with this, I hope he's the one to give us The Silver Chair.
I don't know, it just captured the heart and beauty and enchantment of Narnia =) And no, I'm not trying to argue, guys. I'm just trying to be optimistic =D
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That's the spirit Pepper! . As long as you feel the spirit of Narnia, it would be even better than you could've ever imagined it would be.
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Is anyone getting tired of the PC bashing around here?
Everyone is saying people will like this one more because its more kiddie friendly and they bash PC in the process.
The problem with PC wasnt that it was too dark. But rather it lost the audience it was being sold to. It was advertised as a dark war movie, but they toned it down to a PG rating and threw in some cheesy Disney humor. Teenagers would rather see Iron Man or Indiana Jones then a movie that is advertised as a war movie that really is just a PG film which most people asociate with kid and family movies.
So the people that did watch PC were the kids, but it was too violent for them since the film was intended for an older audience...an audience that didnt see the film due to compromises made by Disney and Walden Media.
So thats PC's problem. Its not a bad movie like people are making it out to be. Its just that it didnt embrace a specific tone. Had the battles been more realistic (yes, that would include blood on swords), the cheesy humor been cut, and if it recieved a PG-13 rating it would have made a lot more money, as it would have brought in the teen/preteen and adult audiences in.
Or it could have been advertised as a family film and the film could have had a lighter tone, and it would have made a lot more money because more families with younger kids would watch it.
PC is not too dark of a movie. Just too dark for the audience that actually saw it.
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You know, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the backlash against the trailer comes from the fact that VODT is many people's favorite book. When you love a book, it's hard to countenance *any* change because you love every part of it, down to the smallest detail. While I liked VODT, I had some issues with parts of the book (mainly Caspian's character) which caused me to like it much less than some of the others. I wonder, if we ever get to that movie, if the Horse and His Boy trailer will cause the same consternation to me.
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VotDT is not my favorite book. I think i would put it fifth and only because it still has Pevensies in it. I also disagree that it is most peoples favorite book.
I think the trailer was just all over the place and that was it's problem. It is a teaser though and that is what teasers do.
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Josh, the way you describe it makes it sound like a bad movie. You've been arguing this since the movie came out; you're not going to win anyone over.
Pattertwig's Pal, your post made me come dangerously close to just quoting it with "I agree" written at the bottom. Well thought out and I agree with pretty much everything you said. I think VDT is really suffering from the mistakes made in PC. I know going into the start of VDT's filming, I had decided to assume the worst just to avoid the epic disappointment that I had felt with each release of PC news.
Pattertwig's Pal and Bookwyrm, you are both so right about PC negatively affecting VDT. For example, just a few of the controversies that are the result of decisions made in PC are:
Ben Barnes' Beard
Minotaurs on the Dawn Treader
The White Witch in Voyage of the Dawn Treader
Ed's "I used to be a king" line
Caspian/Ed using Rhindon
Ben's Accent
This is a topic I've thought about for quite some time. Basically before VDT can even hope to be a good movie on its own it first has to deal with all of the bad/strange decisions made for PC. I don't know about you, but I know when I watch the VDT teaser I relive a few PC controversies all over again.
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Additions don’t bother me either, as long as they are in the spirit of the book.
The characters in the Narnia books make sense. If Edmund's character arc does not make sense, that's called bad adaptation. CS Lewis was very good at writing characters. If the characters in the movie are poorly written, that's bad adaptation.
Bottom line: The book is a great book. So if they make a bad movie, that means it was a bad adaptation. Taking a great book and adapting it into a bad movie is bad adaptation.
I don't think you can decide to make a faithful adaptation anymore than you can decide to make a great movie. Directors always try to make great movies, but they sometimes fail. Likewise, directors often try to make faithful adaptations, but they sometimes fail.
I am sure that Michael Apted is trying his very best to make a faithful adaptation. But will be fail or succeed? We'll find out in December.
Frankly, I am confused. I don't understand why it's such a big deal if some people want to focus on what they think is positive and some people focus on what they think is negative. *shrugs*
People shouldn't try to focus on either one. They should simply say what they think and not worry about trying to spin their thoughts in a positive or negative way. People should just express their honest opinions, positive or negative.
Personally, I don't like reading someone's post and wondering "Does he/she actually think that? Or are they just trying to spin it to seem more positive or negative?"
Yes, but by the same token, it doesn't hurt to say some positive things as well.
I don't think the characters in the movie are poorly written but they're quite different to the books. Not a great adaptation but still a good movie.
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Disagreeing with Josh,
as long as the characters in VDT have strong character development instead of these three one liners thrown at each other like in PC I'll be happy, and yes please explain some character background as well so we can understand the characters emotions.
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I think Josh you have to imagine if you were in the position of the director, wouldn't you be like a bit pressured about how to make the book into a movie? I mean, the book has lots of events happening in it, and a movie only runs for 2 to 3 hours usually, so if you include all the scenes, it would take about 5 hours or even 7 hours to do so. And I think the 'cheesy' humor you're saying is, well, I agree a bit wrong but, they already did it, so, in VDT, i know they will correct the things they've done not quite good in PC.
"Two sides of the same coin"
The thing that directors need to do when adapting a book is enhancing the details in a book to make it bigger then what it is. It doesn't have to be word for word but I feel it would make a movie adaptation better from a book to screen. VDT looks like it is doing that within the trailer without really changing the characters. So i'm good.
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yeah, fine with me with what you said DamselJillPole. The trailer is worth seeing still after the PC issue/s.
"Two sides of the same coin"
I find it hard to see why people hate this trailer. It's a series of exciting or intriguing moments, sewn together without actually following the story.
What else does a trailer do? especially when it's a teaser trailer.
I am excited by this trailer. Why do some people feel it necessary to analyse a two minute piece as thoroughly as they would for a University Literature assignment? I hope there will be some chilling out and calming down by a number of people. I want them to be ready to enjoy the film when it arrives.
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I think Coracle is right, and just wondering, why *is* everyone scared of this trailer? Just wondering, I'm not trying to start an agruement? I don't get it. I had thought because of the director switch everyone would be excited about this one, but maybe the last movie just scared a lot of people and they're scared of this one? I don't know if that's been said or not already but... =/ Okay, I'll shut my big mouth now, but I am curious to see why the trailer is freaking so many people out. I was so excited, and my sister who is a huge movie critic and despises the first two Narnia movies, *loves* what she's seeing of this one... So, just wondering, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes, guys =)
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