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bkey
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I don't think that scene has anything to do with the video game map, for a few reasons.

First of all, try as I might, I see no windmill in that shot of Lilliandil.

Secondly, if you look at that map, the "rotted tree" is huge, taking up a fairly large area. The tree behind Lilliandil is not very big at all. Also, there is some sort of stone structure around Lilliandil, Edmund, Caspian, and Lucy in that scene, which is not marked in any way on the map.

Finally, I don't think it's logical or rational to think that because something is in a level of a video game it will appear in the movie. For a video game adaption they have to create an entire world, and expand on images and concepts seen in the movie. That map, I believe is of part of the Lone Islands. Obviously the island is in the movie, but most of what will be in the video game will be an expanded version of what we see in the movie.

I'm not about to speculate about the scene as seen in the trailer, because obviously I don't know anything more about it than anyone else does, and at this point everything is just baseless speculation.

Posted : June 24, 2010 4:44 pm
DamselJillPole
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We still have tree trees on the map to speculate. It's either Tree of Protection, Rotted Tree or Secret Tree. The Island shown in the trailer with Lilliandil does not look like a spot on Ramandu Island.


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Posted : June 24, 2010 5:40 pm
Bookwyrm
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Anyone have any ideas as to what the words on the stones behind Ramandu's Daughter might be? It looks like it could be Latin to me.

Posted : June 24, 2010 5:42 pm
DamselJillPole
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Yeah I was trying to read those too and I wonder why they would be in Latin as well instead of in English. Narnia is an english speaking world is it not?


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Posted : June 24, 2010 5:46 pm
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It does seem odd. Even the Calormenes speak English. I don't think there's ever been any indication of other languages being spoken in Narnia.

Posted : June 24, 2010 6:02 pm
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That writing is weird - it does look Latin. I'm wondering if one of the words says Lotus. Is it possible that they are names of stars?


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Posted : June 24, 2010 7:43 pm
DamselJillPole
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I doubt it because as I analyze a lot it seems as though this is on the Lone Islands. I can't image Ramandu Island looking that dark and creepy after seeing the concept art of a beautiful almost golden green island with lots of waterfalls.


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Posted : June 24, 2010 9:19 pm
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I thought some of the words looked latin as well, but that's what it *looks* like, I'm probably wronng =)

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Posted : June 25, 2010 2:50 am
narnialover101
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We still have tree trees on the map to speculate. It's either Tree of Protection, Rotted Tree or Secret Tree. The Island shown in the trailer with Lilliandil does not look like a spot on Ramandu Island.

That would make perfect sense, if we knew for a fact that there weren't going to be trees on any of the other islands, but we don't; this could be any tree on any island. Further more, just because it doesn't look like Ramandu's Island, doesn't automatically make in the Lone Islands. I'm not saying your wrong, but I'm definitely not saying your right. At this point we just don't know; please treat all of this as speculation, because that's what it is.

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Posted : June 25, 2010 4:27 am
qwertykate88
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It does seem odd. Even the Calormenes speak English. I don't think there's ever been any indication of other languages being spoken in Narnia.

Unless you count the strange language written on the Stone Table...

It looked very old; and it was cut all over with strange lines and figures that might be the letters of an unknown language. They gave you a curious feeling when you looked at them.

... and the Witch mentions the writing again a few pages after. I'd venture that the words might have something to do with that.

Just because it's dark doesn't mean it can't be Ramandu's island. ;))

In the chapter "The Three Sleepers" of The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, Lewis describes a place made of smooth stone, surrounded by grey pillars, but with no roof, located on Ramandu's island (where the Knife is kept). Also, when the crew arrives on said island, the sun is setting. So, it is dark when they come upon the three sleepers and then they spend the rest of their night trying to stay awake for fear of ending up like the sleepers.

Ramandu's daughter shows up next, explaining the existence of the island, the story of the sleepers, and then introduces her father.

I think that they might have just done away with the door that Ramandu and his daughter enter through (along with the fact that he's retired) and simply have them beam back and forth from the heavens. Her departure there at the end of that split second shot could simply be her going back up to Ramandu and then they both return as the sun rises... creative speculation entirely. ;))

Posted : June 25, 2010 4:40 am
ShastaTheSecond
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Wow. There are a lot of strong reactions to the trailer. Personally, I liked the trailer, although Edmund's "I'm a king" moment at the beginning upset me, as did Edmund's magical blue sword. I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but on Narniafans "MithLuin" transcribed part of the most recent interview with Doug Gresham. He seems very positive.

Paul Martin wrote:
MithLuin took the time to transcribe the part of the video that is relevant to The Voyage of the Dawn Treader:

Interviewer: How did your personal relationship with him [Lewis] inform the work you are doing as a producer of the Narnia films?

Douglas Gresham: Completely and totally is the easiest answer to that. Everything that I do in trying to make sure that the messages that Jack was building into the books he wrote always reach the screen all comes from a direct liaison with Jack, from knowing exactly how he thought, and knowing what he wanted in his books to say. He realized, as many people did, that we really needed to get back to the nineteenth century concepts of honor and duty and personal responsibility, personal commitment to chivalry and all of those things that we threw away in the twentieth century on the grounds that they were somehow out of date. Well, they aren’t, they’re eternal, and we need to get them back. Having thrown them away in the twentieth century, we’ve had to watch all of our society crumble around us into ruins, which is happening faster and faster. So we need to get those things back, and it’s my duty, I believe, my inherited duty, to make sure they play as prominent a part in the movie as possible, in every movie we make, as much as it’s possible to achieve. Of course, the books are not written as film scripts, so they have to be changed, certain changes have to be made, and I work very hard with my colleagues to try to make sure that any change made is one that is needed, and that it works for the sake of the film, and yet that the film will still carry the important essence that Jack built into those books. You will find that the essence of Voyage of the Dawn-treader is…. Dawn Treader is Screwtape for kids, in a sense – it’s all about temptation, how it afflicts you and what you can do about it. And that’s all still very strongly in the movie, and you’ll see it, you’ll see them being tempted one after the other, and how they cope with it, where they fail and where they succeed. So all of these things are very important to me. I think I inherited a moral responsibility to look after these things.

Interviewer: What can people expect in the upcoming movie?

Douglas Gresham: Well, that’s a difficult question! I don’t want to give too much away. A lot of excitement. A great deal of beauty. I have to say that Michael Apted and Dante Spinotti, our DP [Director of Photography], have filmed it absolutely magnificently…there are such beautiful scenes in it. Also, there are some very, very emotionally moving scenes in this film. There is a great deal of easy to understand scenes of temptation – different people get tempted in different ways, in different places – tempted to fear, tempted to greed, tempted to this or that or the other thing. The instructional part of this is how you can cope with this or win through it. One of the problems we have with temptation today is everyone believes it is impossible to defeat. And you can never really know how strong temptation is until you have defeated it. If you just give in, all you’ve discovered is the level of your own weakness, not how strong the temptation can become. If you want to know how strong Mike Tyson is, you have to get into the ring and beat him – and that’s tough.

Max McLean: That’s a good analogy.

Douglas Gresham: That’s the case, though, really. This comes out, I think you’ll find, in the movie – you cannot know how strong these temptations can be until you actually fight them and defeat them. Some of our heroes and heroines come pretty close to the edge at times in this movie. I think you’ll find it’s going to be a beautiful and exciting film.

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Posted : June 25, 2010 8:56 am
Liberty Hoffman
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^^ that interview is why I am not worried about VotDT! :D


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Posted : June 25, 2010 9:00 am
DamselJillPole
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Qwertykate88: If it is Ramandu's Island then where is Eustace, Rynelf and Reepicheep? and why is Lilliandil flying off? Where are the three sleeps? An ugly tree with no leaves? I thought RD and her father sang everyday to wake things up.

I would dislike it so much if that scene was really Ramandu's Island. There would be no Caspian/Lilliandil development whatsoever if she takes off and doesn't come back and we speculate in SC that he married her. Yeah how romantic X(


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Posted : June 25, 2010 9:18 am
Pepper Darcy
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whoot! loved that interview with Doug Gresham that was posted! =D 'some very beautiful scenes' and some 'emotional' moments! Thanks for sharing that! I think this thing is looking so well! Everything I have seen and heard make this movie so beautiful. The sets are so well done and realistic, the scenery looks epic and grand. The Sea of Lilys looks absolutley *divoon*! it is a beautiful movie, and I'm sure it's going to be wonderful. After the Prince Caspian straying from the book so obviously, I think just about anything is going to be a lot better in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. It just *sounds* hopeful. (sail away! sail away! sail away!)

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Posted : June 25, 2010 9:30 am
daughter of the King
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I was looking at the screencaps (again) and noticed the sailors behind Edmund in this shot: http://www.narniaweb.com/wp-content/upl ... 6/0042.jpg
What are they doing? It looks like they're not paying any attention to the green smoke. I had assumed that if the White Witch is Edmund's nightmare that she would actually "come to life" so to speak and everyone could see her. But based on this (and thinking back to how the nightmares are described in the book) I think Edmund is the only one who can see her.

If it is Ramandu's Island then where is Eustace, Rynelf and Reepicheep? and why is Lilliandil flying off? Where are the three sleeps?

If it is Ramandu's Island, there could easily be multiple sets. Or Eustace and Reepicheep could be out of the shot. Rynelf isn't there when they meet RD in the book (are you thinking of the BBC?). And if it's not Ramandu's Island, then where is it? Caspian, Edmund, and Lucy are never on any of the islands by themselves in the book, so something is different.

I would dislike it so much if that scene was really Ramandu's Island. There would be no Caspian/Lilliandil development whatsoever if she takes off and doesn't come back and we speculate in SC that he married her.

I don't think you need to worry about that. I'm sure she'll come back to earth at some point. Besides, there's probably a lot more to that scene then there is in the trailer.

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Posted : June 25, 2010 10:03 am
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