-The magician's book: the blowing over the cover looks a bit fake. I don't like the shot of Lucy going through the book. Don't know why, but it just does not feel like lucy to me.The snow does not work in the trailer, but I believe it could be a very powerful moment in the film.
No offense, but have you actually read the book? The whole point of the magician's book scene is that Lucy does act out of character, she acts selfishly and is insecure about her looks and her friendships. It's a key bit of character development for her.
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I really don't get the comparisons to Tim Burton. I can understand people saying it looks like Harry Potter, but Tim Burton's movies pretty clearly don't take place in the real world. There's weird shaped stuff, the colors are all bright and strange, and the people usually look pretty unusual too. This trailer just looks like a generic fantasy trailer; about the only thing Burton-esque is Coriakin's garden.
the more i watch it, i think it looks better and better, but i'm still not to pleased :-/
LWW
As a film - *** out of ****
As an adaptation - **** out of ****
PC
As a film - **** out of ****
As an adaptation - *** out of ****
VDT
As a film - ** out of ****
As an adaptation - (1/2) of * out of ****
Just saw the trailer in 3D and it looked amazing, especially that shot of the Dawn Treader coming into the screen just after they go into the picture. It looked better i think, not just being big and in 3D, but right, not wrong looking so to speak.
Oh man, I was wondering about that. I've never seen a movie in 3D (except for this one random I MAX) so I didn't know if the trailers before a 3D movie were in 3D or not. Now I want to go back and see it in 3D
Edit: ah, now I see the news post about it.
Peter is not at war. He's at university/staying with Professor Kirke. The books say so. There was no indication that Peter joined the army. Edmund trying to join makes complete sense with his character arc from the previous films, as I've repeatedly been saying. Edmund is a solider used to fighting for his country. How could he stand by while his homeland gets slammed by the Nazis? Besides, underage boys trying to enlist was very, very common both in Britain and the US during WWII. He wants to help his country, whereas Peter was just exhibiting teenage angst and not adjusting well to being a kid again. Edmund is much more adjusted as can be seen from him stopping the fight in PC and his jibes at Peter afterwards. ("You're welcome", "We are kids" etc.)
Couldn't agree more with this. Edmund wishing to fight for his country seemed to foreshadow his desire to act as a noble king, to fight for others. The delivery of his line - 'But I'm a king' - didn't seem selfish or power-hungry at all (as it did with Peter). He's just frustrated because his age dictates that he can't follow the calling he feels he has. So all this 'Edmund is the new Peter' is a bunch of nonsense, in my opinion. Edmund's motivation is not for power.
I thought the trailer was great! I loved the scene where the water filled the room. I really loved the scene where Lucy opened the book and snow started falling. It was just beautiful! I was also surprised when I saw Peter and Susan in it. I knew they might would be in it, but I was still a little surprised.
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I don't think I can sift through another 8 pages of posts. Anyway, it occurred to me last night that the trailer tried to accomplish a few things, as a teaser, and for me it succeeded.
1. Continuity: For movie (not book) fans, we see Peter, Susan, and White Witch cameos. We see a battle or two, with Lucy using a bow and arrows (PC Susan? ). [I love this part! I think Lucy's using these weapons fits her character. She is "Queen Lucy the Valiant." ] We see Edmund being reminded that in England, he's not a king (almost but not quite like PC Peter -- see below). And there's the snow and sense of magic (LWW). The main focus in this teaser trailer is on Edmund and Lucy. I think we'll see later trailers focus more on Eustace, Caspian, and Reepicheep.
2. Theme: temptation (directed toward Edmund, Lucy, Eustace). Plenty has been said about this already. But I agree with others in this thread that Edmund's "I'm a king" line, although similar to what Peter says in PC, isn't arrogant. He cares about his country in wartime. He has battle skills learned from Narnia. Why not use them? It also dawned on me last night that, unlike book PC, in book VDT we do see Edmund and Caspian quarrel a few times over who's really in charge. Edmund insists that as the younger brother of High King Peter, he ranks above Caspian. (I personally think Edmund has no claim to this, and should bow to Caspian. But enough of that. ) Anyway, this "Edmund as king" temptation isn't so out of place as a film adaptation of VDT. It's certainly more appropriate than Peter's character transformation in PC (although I liked the change).
3. Visual effects: magic stuff, battles, ship, sea, etc. I loved the visual effects in the trailer! (which I've seen 5-6 times already )
Question: many people think it's Eustace who says the line, "This place (just?) gets weirder and weirder." The more I watch the trailer, the less I'm convinced it's Eustace. I just don't know who it is.
Glumpuddle, don't you think that the scroll he is unrolling is the map he gives them? He does give them a map that he makes with magic. Right? I think that they tell him the story of their adventures so far and it creates a map that is exact and detailed. I think he makes two copies and keeps one.
PS. I am not sure how that would work because it looks like they have moved up the duffle's island to earlier in the film.
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Couldn't agree more with this. Edmund wishing to fight for his country seemed to foreshadow his desire to act as a noble king, to fight for others. The delivery of his line - 'But I'm a king' - didn't seem selfish or power-hungry at all (as it did with Peter). He's just frustrated because his age dictates that he can't follow the calling he feels he has. So all this 'Edmund is the new Peter' is a bunch of nonsense, in my opinion. Edmund's motivation is not for power.
I really appreciate what MarkB and Maenad said. I think that's probably more probable than another PC Peter thing, and it definitely goes with Edmund's character of wanting to do good for his country.
I liked it! Well, some were not mentioned in the book and it was a bit disappointing but they made it great! Especially Lucy's face turning into Susan's face, great effects.
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There's just one thing I want to say...Everyone, I'm sorry if this sounds snarky or mean or anything, that's not how I want it to come off.
A lot of people seem to be focusing on all the negative elements. I know there are some, but look at all the good things! The boat looks great, the transition into Narnia is great, the brief glimpse of the wave at the end is great...
think about it. We almost didn't have the film. First there was that strike or something, and the release date was pushed back a year. Then Disney quit, another seven months. This is the only Dawn Treader movie we're going to get for a long time, just enjoy it.
Once again, sorry if I sound really mean.
A lot of people seem to be focusing on all the negative elements. I know there are some, but look at all the good things!
Ahhh, the eternal problem of Narniaweb - the negative points are always much easier (and in a way fun) to debate than the positive stuff. The positive stuff often goes without saying, and its hard to really get your teeth stuck into a good debate about things we all think are perfectly fine. Essentially, when we think things are good there is often nothing more we need to say about them, hence why alot of debates can always seem oddly skewed to the negative end of the spectrum, even when if you asked each person individually you'd find their opinions were still mainly positive.
Okay, so after taking a couple of days to calm down, I just watched the trailer again twice, right after I watched the PC & LWW trailers again. And personally, I'd have to say that, aside from certain things, I liked this trailer the best out of all of them. I love how it was more light-hearted than the other two, and made the film seem serious without making it out to be extremely dark. The whole mood of the trailer seemed to fit what I've always thought the film should be.
Now that I've had time to panic, I really feel optimistic about this. All three of the Narnia trailers have had negative aspects of them that we all stressed about, but it ended up not being such a big deal in the end. I completely understand being worried, but I'm going to try to look at it without analyzing everything too much, and hope that everything is not as it seems. I still have high hopes for VDT, and I can hardly wait for December!
Something else I noticed - I really like the music, especially the part that starts right when we get our first glimpse of the Dawn Treader. I think it sounds perfect for the film and I love it so far!
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I just realized something While rewatching the trailer. Edmund says: have you ever seen this ship before? Does that mean that the painting is normally just the sea, and that now there actually suddenly is a ship in it?
Oh, my initial reaction to the trailer:
I've also recorded my analysis today, but it was 45 minutes long, so It will take a while to edit!
I am actually not concerned about VDT. It appears they are pushing with the trailer the thing that pushed Avatar: Graphics and visual effects. While I haven't seen Avatar, I've heard very little positive input on the story. It's all about the effects and the graphics. I think VDT is showing good promise on the story but the graphics, which I am certain are not finished yet, are going to be spectacular. And we haven't gotten a glimpse of Eustace as a dragon yet.
Comparing LWW and PC to what we have so far, I have little worries. LWW was definately closest too the book, but it was very straight forward to do so. PC was horrible written in terms of being adaptable, so changes had to be made. And needless to say, for continuity's sake, they need to adjust the characters in VDT to be consistent with LWW and PC. So far Edmund and Lucy have been the closest book to movie characters, not to mention that Skandar and Georgie are by far the best two actors out of the five (including Ben Barnes). I haven't seen Will Poultier act yet, but I've heard nothing but good reports on him. So while the trailer tells me little about the plot line, it does tell me this is going to be a stand-out good movie for this winter break that should reap LWW style revenues.
Be watching for the release of my spiritual warfare novel under a new title: "Call to Arms" by OakTara Publishing. A sequel (title TBD) will shortly follow.