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Stylteralmaldo
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Reading the book of Daniel this morning, I read this tidbit and am wondering if Lewis got the idea of the Tisroc (May he live forever) from Daniel who spoke these words to Darius, king of the Medes:

Daniel 6:19-22

Then at break of day, the king arose and went in haste to the den of lions. When he came near to the den where Daniel was, he cried out in a tone of anguish and said to Daniel, “O Daniel, sergeant of the living God, had your God, whom you serve continually, been able to deliver you from the lions?” Then Daniel said to the king, O king, live forever! My God sent his angel and shut the lions’ mouths, and they have not hurt me, because I was found blameless before him; and also before you, O king I have done no wrong.

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Posted : August 19, 2018 2:48 am
coracle
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I think the sort of flowery language in Calormen is based on classical tales from ancient Babylon.... are they also in the Arabian Nights stories?

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Posted : August 19, 2018 4:00 am
Col Klink
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I noticed that too. But I don't believe C.S. Lewis was specifically alluding to the book of Daniel. The reason that phrase appears there is because it was used in real life, possibly by multiple cultures.

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Posted : August 21, 2018 3:31 am
Stylteralmaldo
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What I find interesting about comparing the two situations (Narnia and Daniel), is that in the Narnian tales, it seems as though it is ludicrous to hope the Tisroc lives forever. I don’t get that same sense in account from Daniel, where it seems more an affection Daniel has for the king.

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Posted : August 25, 2018 8:18 am
Col Klink
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Well, Daniel and C.S. Lewis came from really different cultures. It's not surprising that one would find the other's greeting ridiculous.

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Posted : August 25, 2018 8:29 am
coracle
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On the other hand, Lewis had a classical education and will have know about formal greetings of ancient cultures.
I believe that the greeting to the King really indicates a wish for long life and good health - it's Hyperbole (exaggeration for effect on literature ).

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Posted : August 25, 2018 10:13 pm
SSBN_Dawn_Treader
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If I'm not mistaken, the Calormen language and culture are based on a flurry of Oriental civilizations, ranging from the Islamic Arab world to ancient Babylon, including among other things Indian and Persian cultures.

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Posted : September 29, 2018 3:54 am
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In Nesbit's The Story of the Amulet, a group of Edwardian children use a magical amulet to travel back in time and visit ancient Babylon. The Babylonian king is called the Nisrock and on addressing him his subjects say 'may you live forever'!

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Posted : September 29, 2018 5:05 am
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In the same story, if I recall correctly, they accidentally bring back the Queen of Babylon to modern London. Sound familiar? :D (Nesbit was one of Lewis' favorite authors.)

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Posted : January 28, 2019 11:57 am
coracle
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Well, going even further off topic, in Nesbit's short story, The Aunt and Amabel, a girl goes on a train journey which teaches her some lessons. The way to the station is via a wardrobe (called something like Big Wardrobe in Spare Room). Yes, really!

Lewis wasn't claiming to have invented his ideas, but the way he used some familiar concepts was very interesting.

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Posted : April 18, 2019 10:46 am
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YES! I've read that story! It was so weird! As soon as I saw the name of the train station, I was like WHAAA??....

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