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Jasmine
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@lindsaydoering He actually did know. He was just coming up with all kinds of an excuses. As he was walking to the White Witch's house, he was kind of talking to himself.

It wasn't a very good excuse, however, for deep down inside him he really knew that the White Witch was bad and cruel.

He had the opportunity to turn back when he saw the house. It was that he couldn't resist the Turkish Delight. That was what he wanted and to be ruler of Narnia. I think it was mainly because he was jealous of Peter's leadership, being the younger brother.

 

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Topic starter Posted : January 5, 2022 3:26 pm
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Courtenay
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Posted by: @lindsaydoering

Remember - Edmund was separated from his mom when they left London - he misses his mom.  The WW is probably the closest thing to her he can find.

Not sure if that's coming from the film, but there's absolutely nothing in the book about Edmund, or the others, missing their mother or indeed their father. We can speculate that they are, but Lewis says nothing about it and doesn't tend to go into those kinds of psychological motivation themes to any great extent. "The war" itself gets mentioned once in the second sentence of the opening chapter and that's the last we hear of anything to do with it, or with the children's parents.

(By the way, British kids have mums, not moms. Except those who speak Birmingham dialect, I gather.)

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Also - if Edmund had not known the WW - he would not have known that her magic wand turns people into stone -

Apart from Mr Tumnus telling Lucy about that in the second chapter, Mr Beaver tells all four children, during their dinner at the Beavers' house, that the White Witch's castle is "'All full of statues... People she's turned' — (he paused and shuddered) — 'turned into stone." Edmund himself makes the snide comment about Aslan, "She won't turn him into stone too?", which is how the others later remember that Edmund was still with them when the Beavers started talking about Aslan.

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I am not sure Edmund really knows he is doing the wrong thing when he goes to the WW's house. 

That's one thing Lewis DOES tell us very clearly as Edmund is on his way from the Beavers' house to the Witch's house:

You mustn't think that even now Edmund was quite so bad that he actually wanted his brother and sisters to be turned into stone. He did want Turkish Delight and to be a Prince (and later a King) and to pay Peter out for calling him a beast. As for what the Witch would do with the others, he didn't want her to be particularly nice to them — certainly not to put them on the same level as himself; but he managed to believe, or pretend he believed, that she wouldn't do anything very bad to them, "Because," he said to himself, "all these people who say nasty things about her are her enemies and probably half of it isn't true. She was jolly nice to me, anyway, much nicer than they are. I expect she is the rightful Queen really. Anyway, she'll be better than that awful Aslan!" At least, that was the excuse he made in his own mind for what he was doing. It wasn't a very good excuse, however, for deep down inside him he really knew that the White Witch was bad and cruel. (Chapter 9, emphasis added)

"Now you are a lioness," said Aslan. "And now all Narnia will be renewed."
(Prince Caspian)

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Posted : January 5, 2022 3:46 pm
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Posted by: @courtenay

Not sure if that's coming from the film....

I've read other posts of Lindsay's and I know she's a fan of the books, not just the movies. (In fact, I don't remember that she's a fan of the movies at all. She might very well not be.)

I agree with the rest of your post though.

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Posted : January 5, 2022 4:04 pm
Lindsaydoering
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@courtenay These area all great points - I am glad I posted.

The first words Edmund speaks are to rebuke Susan for talking like mother - so obviously mother is on Edmund's mind. Given this and Edmund's age - I think basic human compassion or understanding of children would allow us to assume Edmund misses his mother. These are not superheros - they are children.

Correct - the beaver does tell them she turns people into stone - but does he tells them the mechanism - i.e., the wand.

Completely correct - he knows he is doing the wrong thing - I forgot that. Even so - he does save the day - without his knowledge of the wand - Peter says - they would not have won the battle with the WW. 

So - I do not think this is simply a time bomb waiting to go off on a bad person.  

 

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Posted : January 5, 2022 4:20 pm
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@col-klink Thanks- I've never seen the movies - they may be great!

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Posted : January 5, 2022 4:21 pm
Jasmine
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@lindsaydoering They are good movies. Though the books are better. There are changes in the movies that worked and some that didn't. Some even argue that they are a bit of a Lord of the Rings knock-off.

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Topic starter Posted : January 5, 2022 4:24 pm
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@jasmine_tarkheena Thanks - I have such respect for the books that I almost don't want to see the movies.  And I think I would spend most of the time watching them thinking what CSL would have to say about them!

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Posted : January 5, 2022 4:28 pm
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Jasmine
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Yes. Ticking time bomb makes you want to go, "Stop! Stop!"

It almost makes me think of a show that I watch, re-runs of Diagnosis Murder (if you haven't seen it, I would recommend checking it out). There is an episode about a vampire who is an attractive lady. She invites eligible bachelors to a party. Two of them are killed off by her in her home. Okay, they don't show it, but you still know what happened because you hear screaming for life in the background while showing full moon. One of the main doctors becomes the next target, and another doctor advises him to stay out. It's the ticking time bomb when the young doctor goes to the house where the vampire lives. It's like you want to tell him, "Don't go there! Stop! Stop!"

So I'm sure Netflix will create opportunity to add tension for a ticking time bomb in Narnia. It might be tempting to have Shift send out his flying monkey buddies (no pun-intended) while Tirian, the kids, Jewel, Puzzle, and Poggin are heading to Cair Paravel or even have Rishda sent out his Calormene soldiers after them. They should not do either though. I'm sure they'll be plenty of materials for trailers without giving too much away.

 

"And this is the marvel of marvels, that he called me beloved."
(Emeth, The Last Battle)
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Topic starter Posted : January 14, 2022 3:30 pm
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