1. What do you think Lewis is saying through Eustace’s repeated attempts to shed his dragon skin?

If Eustace admitted defeat after failing only once, I don't think his admission would be as credible. For the entire book (so far), we have come to know Eustace as a prideful know-it-all who is convinced he is the most wonderful person in the world. Actually admitting that he cannot do something this important is a BIG step for Eustace. If he took that step too easily, it wouldn't be as believable. Thus the need for multiple failures.

This point also needed strong emphasis. This may very well be the first time in his life Eustace has admitted he can't do something and that someone else must do it for him. Eustace is used to believing he can do everything...Now he is in a situation where he admits he can do nothing. This is a crucial piece to his character arc.

2. What do you think about our own ability to change?

Human begins seem to have a natural tendency towards doing evil rather than good. (You don't have to teach a child bad behavior; they are simply born knowing it). Humans simply are not qualified to "cure" themselves of this tendency towards evil.

3. What do you think Lewis is saying about the relationship between pain and real transformation?

Since evil comes more naturally to humans than good, it makes sense that the process of being rid of evil would be painful. We instinctively want to reject the good change because it goes completely against who we are.

In the story,Eustace is first descxribed as a cowardly obnoxious bully to Edmund and Lucy and also Direspects King Caspian and the crew,when he is in the cave,he starts having Dragonish greedy thoughts and when he is torn away from his Dragon skin,he is being Reborn.

1. Eustace has discovered that when he is ready and willing to be a different boy, he is unable to change himself. He can remove the outer skin but the dark inner skin that is his real being - only Aslan can get rid of it.

2. I see the truth very plainly here that we cannot change ourselves as our sin and failure are not shallow things but deep down. It takes someone else with special ability to make a difference. It is the heart of the gospel. I think the timing is crucial - Aslan knew when Eustace was ready and willing.

3. Those who have been through any surgery, personal counselling, or even the removal of a bad splinter can attest that there is always pain, but that it makes a difference, and in the end there is wholeness and health. It isn't logically a requirement, but it seems to be the way it is!

1. Eustace has always believed he can do things by himself and that he is capable of overcoming anything. He tries to peel of the dragon skin, only to find more. He tries again a few times, until Aslan tells him that he will have to do it. For possibly the first time in his life, Eustace accepts that he cannot do something (save himself) on his own.

2. I think Lewis is trying to tell us we cannot save ourselves from sin. I agree, in two ways. Firstly, Christ had to die for our sins. We can't do it for ourselves. This is what Aslan did for Edmund in LWW.

In VDT, we have an example of how Chist changes us in our daily lives. Eustace is stuck in his skin until Aslan peels it off. We are stuck in our sin until Christ pulls it off.

3. I think it can be painful to be transformed. Firstly, it takes humility to accept we were wrong in the first place. As well, t can be hard to give up our sinful habits.

I also think that we change when we suffer, either for good or for bad. When we are put through a difficult time, we can either turn to God or turn away from him.

1. What do you think Lewis is saying through Eustace’s repeated attempts to shed his dragon skin?
I always took it to mean that no matter how hard man tries, man cannot redeem himself... thus the reason for Christ coming to save us. If we could save ourselves, there would be no reason for Christ to die. But since we cannot save ourselves, Christ did have to come. Eustace's repeated attempts to 'save' himself from being a dragon shows us how helpless he is without Aslan, and how helpless we are without Christ.

2. What do you think about our own ability to change?Unless God gives us the ability to change, we'll still be a monster, just like Eustace. If Aslan hadn't taken the skins off for him, Eustace would have been a dragon forever. We're so helpless and dependant upon God, and seeing how Eustace couldn't help himself, we can be thankful for our helplessness since we have such an almighty God who *can* save us.

3. What do you think Lewis is saying about the relationship between pain and real transformation?
Christ said we have to take up our cross and follow Him. He wasn't talking about a literal cross, but about our Christian walk. If we follow Him, if God has saved us from His wrath, then there will be pain. We'll suffer for His sake; we'll be pursecuted as well. Christ gave us the ultimate sacrifice. We ought to be willing to suffer for Him as well.

And before God saved us, we were enemies to Him. We were steeped in the world and the love of the world. Perhaps that 'pain' of transformation could be associated with giving up those worldly loves for the sake of the one who saves us. Eustace would have to admit he was wrong; he was a jerk; and a snivelly worm. There would be pain to his pride (flesh). In The Silver Chair and The Last Battle, there would be pain as well since he followed Aslan (i.e. Lady of the Green Kirtle and getting thrown into the Stable)

4. Do you have any other thoughts on this passage?
I always appreciated how Lewis, though this isn't allegory, but 'supposition' I think people call it, was not afraid to put his faith and belief into his work. He's bold enough to show how helpless man is (Eustace not being able to shed his skin) and how powerful God is (Aslan *must* help Eustace or Eustace is forever lost). It shows us what we are like before God saves us (a monster; a dragon; a snivelly worm). Eustace never *earned* that grace; Aslan *gave* it to him. It might not be allegory, but it is definately a clear, beautiful picture.

Though I think I'd differ with the guys that Tirian quoted who said the skin was growing back. I think Lewis meant there were so many layers beneath the skins. =)

Anyways, this is a great discussion.

Glumpuddle, I love your thoughts about how Eustace is a knowitall and must confess himself up as wrong =D Very insightful. I had never thought of it that way before! You are right on in your answers in 2. and 3. I especially love your answer to 3-- evil doesn't love light. It loves darkness because the darkness hides the sinful acts that evil is doing. Light exposes the evil =)

1. What do you think Lewis is saying through Eustace’s repeated attempts to shed his dragon skin?
Echoing everyone's thoughts here, I think Lewis is saying that no matter how hard we try, we can never be free from our sins without Christ. We could rip off layer after layer, but none of them would result in a true, deep change, nor would it save us from what we are and where we're headed. We need Christ to change us, and yes, sometimes it's painful, but there's no other way.

2. What do you think about our own ability to change?
We can't change or save ourselves. Humans have rebelled against an infinite God, and as humans we are only finite. We can't atone or save ourselves. We are completely helpless to do anything regarding changing and salvation until Christ opens our eyes to the truth and the scales fall off, just like Eustace.

3. What do you think Lewis is saying about the relationship between pain and real transformation?
Trading your sin and pride and picking up the cross of Jesus is no easy thing. Confessing your sins and laying down pride goes against man's fallen nature, and it's hard to do. But the pain is definitely worth it in the end, because it's what makes one a new creation.

4. Do you have any other thoughts on this passage?
This is one of my favorite passages from the Narnia series, and in my opinion, one of the most profound. I'm really enjoying reading the discussion about it. This passage always seems to offer more to think about!

1. I think Lewis is saying that however hard we try to get rid of our sins we can't do it on our own. We need Aslan, and in our life it is God to remove it for us.

2. Like I said before we can't change on our own and we need God to give us the ability to change.

3. It takes pain to give up things of life. It is hard to give ourselves away to Christ. As Eustace says it is a good kind of pain, it is painful to give up the things of the world yet to feels so good.

4. I love how you can find pieces of faith in all the Narnia books. This is one part of the book I will be very very mad if they cut out of the movie.

1. I've always thought the first three dragon skins were an attempt to change himself. I used to have a Sunday school teacher who said he once believed with all his heart that he was going to hell and nothing he could do would change that. Funny that he was right. He told the story of how he had to humble himself to God's will.

2. Eustace, the boy who knew it all and loves books of information, had to lay himself down at the mercy of the claws of a being who he knew was going to do something terrible. The first three skins are humbling, the road map that says, "hey, this is how Jesus will save you," and you can try to do it yourself but to no point. I heard a speaker once say that God can do everything but he refuses to do anything without you.

3. Abandoning one's self isn't easy. There is a real heart ache when we go to the alter on our knees, tear stained and sinful, and it seems that when we surrender the pain grows even more. I can't explain it, but I know it. The pain that we all feel at that moment at time may all be the same and still be very different. We have pain because of sin, but we have a Healer. We can sit and pretend that the sore on our arm is fine though anyone can see it scabbed up and looking a very green, infectious color. When we admit that it's there and that it hurts it's funny how it hurts even more than it did before, but it must be torn off and it will hurt. Isn't it a great thing that when it hurts it can start getting better? Pain is the first sign that we need help.

1. What do you think Lewis is saying through Eustace’s repeated attempts to shed his dragon skin? I have always thought, through repeated readings of this book, that the reason Eustace kept having 'other layers' under each layer is to show that he thought he had only a few things to get rid of, when in reality he had things to get rid of that he couldn't get rid of himself, thus Aslan doing it for him. Aslan was the only one who could transform him.

What do you think about our own ability to change? in life, we all can do some things to move toward changing our 'dragonish' habits, but only God can truly turn us around. we don't want to change, so it hurts, just like Eustace being stripped of his dragon skin by Aslan, to have our faults and sins ripped away from us. but in the end it feels so much better afterward, once we surrender our lives to Jesus Christ.

What do you think Lewis is saying about the relationship between pain and real transformation? the only way for God to get to all of our sin, to dig it all out, is for him to 'tear' it out and that hurts. and it makes it worse when we resist. but through the pain we can be changed.

1.What do you think Lewis is saying through Eustace’s repeated attempts to shed his dragon skin?
Eustace like most of us will not give up after our first try on our own. Many of us have try it several times to find out it doesn't work if we try it on out own.

2. What do you think about our own ability to change?
Eustace tells Edmund that after he agreed to allow Aslan to remove his dragon skin: “The very first tear he made was so deep that I thought it had gone right into my heart. And when he began pulling the skin off, it hurt worse than anything I’ve ever felt.”
We try to change but in end we find out it won't work unless God helps us. Also, he is the only that really knows how deep our sin goes. We just scratch the surface.
3. What do you think Lewis is saying about the relationship between pain and real transformation?
Sometimes we have to go through a lot of painful times to be really transformed. Sometimes pain and transformation work hand in hand.

1. I have always thought, through repeated readings of this book, that the reason Eustace kept having 'other layers' under each layer is to show that he thought he had only a few things to get rid of, when in reality he had things to get rid of that he couldn't get rid of himself, thus Aslan doing it for him. Aslan was the only one who could transform him.