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What do you think? Poll was created on Sep 05, 2020

  
  
Poll results: What do you think?
Voter(s): 8
Poll was created on Sep 05, 2020
By the Lion's mane! This sounds glorious!  -  votes: 6 / 75%
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This idea must despair... and die!  -  votes: 2 / 25%
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Ideas: Original film/series about the beginning of the Long Winter

EmperorBehindTheScreen
(@dannyb)
NarniaWeb Regular

This is an idea I that came into my head a few days ago. Basically the premise revolves around a line said by Mr Tumnus in the Wardrobe film: "My father went away to war too. But that was a long, long time ago; before this dreadful Winter."

It would be interesting to find out about this war that he mentions, and a good way (in my opinion) to tie this up with pre-existing lore is to have said large battle fought between Aslan's forces and the creatures seduced by Queen Jadis (the future White Witch) which serves as the trigger for the Long Winter to begin. In fact, both a young Tumnus and his father could be characters in it!

My basic outline for the plot would be this: The prologue takes place in the Narnian Year 898 - nearly 900 years after The Magician's Nephew. Jadis manages to finally break her way back into Narnia from Ettinsmoor where she was banished all those centuries ago. This is left as a cliffhanger and we jump two years ahead, the year NT 900 - exactly one hundred years before The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. At this time most Narnian creatures live in relative peace with each other; including the fauns, satyrs, centaurs etc. (the ones loyal to Aslan) and the ogres, minotaurs, goblins etc. There is, however, a lot of political instability, with the ogres etc. acting only in self-interest and speaking contemptously towards the more peaceful creatures. When Jadis begins her conquest of Narnia, she exploits this instability and seduces many of the more hostile species. This leads to a climax at the end of the film/series, where Aslan shows up and a massive battle (bigger than any we've ever seen before) ensues between His loyal followers and the new army of Jadis. For some reason Jadis wins, causing her to become the White Witch and put a spell over Narnia, plunging it into a deep and oppressive Winter.

All in all I think this would be a good middle-point between MN and LWW, as it would tie in elements of both stories.

“Peter did not feel very brave, indeed, he felt he was going to be sick. But that made no difference to what he had to do.”

“This is my password. The light is dawning. Now guard thee, miscreant, for I am Tirian of Narnia.”

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Topic starter Posted : September 5, 2020 4:59 am
Reepicheep775
(@reepicheep775)
NarniaWeb Junkie

Interesting idea. I'm still a little wary of going off-book with these new adaptations, but it's a fun thing to think about.

I could see there being a story around how the evil creatures (e.g. minotaurs, hags, efreets) came to live in Narnia in the first place since they weren't present during the creation of Narnia in MN. It makes sense that they weren't present because it would imply that Aslan created something evil. That would probably also rule out the Tolkien idea of having them be corruptions of good creatures (like the orcs are corruptions of elves).

The most obvious solution to me is that the White Witch summoned them from another world. What kind of world might they have come from? Maybe a world that has become even more corrupt than our own.

As for Aslan's involvement in the resistance to the White Witch's takeover... I think it might be best for him to be offscreen, absent like in PC. Otherwise, you would have to contrive some way for him to be defeated by the White Witch and I don't know if you could do that and remain faithful to the spirit of the books.

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Posted : September 10, 2020 11:04 am
EmperorBehindTheScreen
(@dannyb)
NarniaWeb Regular

@reepicheep775

This is very true. I can't think of a practical way for Aslan himself to be defeated by Jadis. However, one thing Nikabrik says in the Prince Caspian film (as well as the novel, I'm sure) is that Jadis' power was "one that kept even Aslan at bay for near a hundred years", which implies she had some form of control over Aslan at one point. But then again, this could just be a perversion of the truth shared by the black dwarves and other Jadis-sympathisers over 1,300 years in order to further their own agenda; perhaps it was actually the will of Aslan to wait a century to come back to liberate Narnia from the Long Winter, maybe he waited until the Pevensies came for the sole purpose of teaching them valuable lessons?

“Peter did not feel very brave, indeed, he felt he was going to be sick. But that made no difference to what he had to do.”

“This is my password. The light is dawning. Now guard thee, miscreant, for I am Tirian of Narnia.”

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Topic starter Posted : September 12, 2020 8:54 am
Glenwit
(@glenwit)
NarniaWeb Nut

Interesting idea!

I think that Nikabrik's point about Jadis' power "keeping Aslan at bay" was definitely revisionist history on his part...most likely because it was the best fit for his embittered and jaded outlook on the world. 

For Aslan's timing, I think that teaching the Pevensies lessons was part of his reasoning for finally liberating Narnia when he did; I think he also wanted to teach the Narnians themselves through the experience as well.  Not only the liberation, but also through the Golden Age, and all that would happen over the centuries.  While some would retain Nikabrik's outlook, others such as Trufflehunter remained faithful to Aslan, and remembered his actions + the Pevensies' legacy.  

It would be interesting to see some of those gaps filled in through original material.  A little risky, though!  I personally have my reservations about it, but would be intrigued to see what people could come up with!

This is the journey
This is the trial
For the hero inside us all
I can hear adventure call
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Posted : September 27, 2020 8:22 pm
Courtenay
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It's an interesting idea, but my biggest concern about it is one that someone else raised recently in another discussion (I can't remember where)... just the thought of someone other than C.S. Lewis writing Aslan. I mean, of all the characters that it's hard to "get right" when writing a continuation of an original author's work, the character who basically is God / Christ has got to be the hardest, and the most sensitive and the most controversial to try to do. To not include him at all would, I think, make it somehow not a "real" Narnia story — Aslan is the one character who features in all seven of the books — and yet if they did include him, no matter how they chose to portray him, I can see it being a huge source of contention between fans. (Is this really how Aslan would speak and act? What theological message are they trying to imply here, which maybe not all viewers will agree with? Would Lewis himself ever have approved of this?... and so on.) And then, yes, there's the difficulty of having Aslan either being defeated or choosing to retreat and leave the Narnians in the grip of the Long Winter for 100 years. Which gets us into even more tangles, not only plot-wise, but theology-wise. I just can't see it working, at least not in a way that would satisfy anything like the majority of Narnia fans. But it's intriguing to think about!

EDIT: I've just found the earlier discussion where this issue came up (the problem of someone other than Lewis "speaking" for Aslan) — here's the link.

"Now you are a lioness," said Aslan. "And now all Narnia will be renewed."
(Prince Caspian)

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Posted : September 28, 2020 1:33 pm
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