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Respect, honour and chivalrous characteristics lacking in the Walden Media Narnia films

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Sir Cabbage
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Oh yes – I meant to add that the BBC likely was much closer to the book attitudes of the characters, and didn't exactly have the time to flesh them out much, anyway! So actually PC, to alter what I said a bit, does get a little screen time for their 'true' reactions. I haven't watched the series in ages to recall how exactly the series went about it, though. Add that to the re-watch list.

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Posted : March 10, 2026 9:53 am
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Jasmine
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I haven’t been on here for quite some time with a lot of stuff going on. I enjoyed the three Walden films, though I kind of preferred the first two to the third.

I do kind of agree with most about Peter’s character change in PC. In the book, Peter actually said to Caspian, “I didn’t come to take your place, you know, but to put you into it,” which I thought was a nice moment—but in the movie, they kind of put a rivalry between them that wasn’t there. The same could be said with Susan’s character- they turned her into a warrior-queen which is contrary to what Lewis wrote. It wasn’t fitting for her character, given her title was “Susan the Gentle.”

I actually like the medieval setting of Narnia, though I think the films could have done more with the textures—the rust on chainmail, the way torchlight flickered off wet cobblestones. The books always made Cair Paravel feel lived-in, like you could smell the salt air clinging to the tapestries. Some of that got lost in translation when everything became too polished, too CGI-smooth.

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Posted : March 13, 2026 9:14 am
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Narnian78
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@jasmine_tarkheena 

I think they kind of forgot at least some of the time that medieval chivalry also means gentleness in making the Walden films. The movies do bring some of that out, but in Prince Caspian it seems like it was forgotten at least part of the time.  There were brave knights and ladies in the Narnia books, but the gentle quality could have been made more prominent in all of the three Walden movies.  They might have been more concerned about selling tickets and avoiding making a boring movie, but the Narnia stories have gentleness and forgiveness as well as warrior kings and queens.  Susan certainly deserved her title Susan the Gentle because that was her outstanding quality.

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Posted : March 13, 2026 1:07 pm
waggawerewolf27
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@jasmine_tarkheena   I do kind of agree with most about Peter’s character change in PC. In the book, Peter actually said to Caspian, “I didn’t come to take your place, you know, but to put you into it,” which I thought was a nice moment—but in the movie, they kind of put a rivalry between them that wasn’t there. The same could be said with Susan’s character- they turned her into a warrior-queen which is contrary to what Lewis wrote. It wasn’t fitting for her character, given her title was “Susan the Gentle.”

Thank you for pointing that out. I do agree that the book would be hard to film accurately, anyway. Almost a third of the book is Trumpkin relating Prince Caspian's story to the Pevensies up to the moment when Susan's arrow shot rescued him from his two Telmarine captors. The Pevensies have been reunited with their LWW Christmas presents - except for Susan's horn. And since it was Susan's horn that dragged them into Narnia, shouldn't much more have been made of this object in the film? I'll really have to watch both BBC & Walden versions again, when I don't even remember the moment in both films when it was blown. 

I do remember the bit where Lucy, holding her dagger (purely for self-defence) appears with Aslan at the conclusion of the battle of Beruna. But it should have been both Susan & Lucy who turned up right at that moment, accompanied not only by Aslan, but also by a whole crowd of people, as well as the trees. They had been liberating not only Narnia, but also the Telmarines, from themselves, it would seem, in that glorious romp, ending in a party. That would be too difficult for the filmmakers, I suppose, especially due to the cost of CGI that would have been involved. In 2008, the LOTR films had been & gone, & by the time VDT was produced there was a push for 3D effects as well. 

Instead, the Walden's film gets on with returning some of the Telmarines back to the real world, sort of like the world remembering there were places like Pitcairn Island, St Helena & Tristan da Cunha, or the Falklands, where people live mostly isolated from the rest of the world for decades, without anyone noticing their existence. Whilst the Pevensies are returned to the railway station, with Edmund remembering he left his torch in Narnia. 

I suppose Peter had to be shown to be a seasoned warrior, fully deserving of the title of High King. But when Caspian had been bitten by the werewolf, & therefore on the injured list, he had a good reason for yielding to Peter's advocacy, anyway. In the movie script, did William Moseley as Peter actually say “I didn’t come to take your place, you know, but to put you into it”? Maybe the filmmakers would have had to put some rivalry tension into the scene when they met, to justify Peter's making that comment at all. Judging by the as-yet unfilmed HHB book, Lucy might well have played a warrior-queen, riding with King Edmund & Prince Corin to the rescue of King Lune at Anvard, if it was truly necessary. In PC, the book, it was Lucy showing leadership, with Susan hanging back, seeing this camping trip to meet Caspian as an irksome chore, barely able to shoot an arrow to provide dinner, until they finally were all able to see Aslan. 

@narnian78 but the Narnia stories have gentleness and forgiveness as well as warrior kings and queens.  Susan certainly deserved her title Susan the Gentle because that was her outstanding quality.

Yes, you are right. In PC Walden had Susan at the battle that broke out after the single combat at Aslan's Howe, whereas in the book, neither Susan nor Lucy were present at that battle, remaining with Aslan. Even in VDT, was it really necessary to have Lucy being involved in any armed struggle, to get away from the slavers at the Lone Island? 

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