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7chronicles
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I hope it is intended Shadowlander. But with Lost who knows ;) We visit Dark UFO, a lost site everyday to see some spy reports and spoilers. And from what's on the spoiler section of the site, me and my sister think they are going to be taking a different approach since they said they won't be doing Flashbacks and Flash-forward’s anymore. We think they may start doing What If scenarios instead to see what would of happened if they hadn't crashed on the Island. :)

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

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Posted : December 23, 2009 9:57 pm
stargazer
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The rumors I've seen, 7chronicles, indicate similar speculation. I've also seen a comment to the effect that they'll be returning to some of the things from season 1 (like "running around the jungle a lot").

Interesting catches, Shadowlander! Regarding your first spoiler, the Lostpedia theories page on Nadia gives this speculation:

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Why did Sayid tell Rousseau that Nadia was dead?
*Sayid was under duress at the time, as Rousseau's prisoner, yet he was also experienced at interrogation, which Rousseau was attempting upon him. Sayid purposefully lied to Rousseau because he knew saying his lover was dead would engender sympathy. He was manipulating Rousseau as she was interrogating him. Quite ingenious when one thinks about it.
*Sayid thought that the CIA had reneged on their agreement as he hadn't arrived to meet Nadia. He believed that they turned her over to the Iraq government, where she would have been executed.

Though these are fan ideas and not canonical.

Regarding the second spoiler about Claire, Lostpedia notes that

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Malkin (the pyshic) seems to be a self-admitted fraud (in the second-season episode "?") and also that he changed his tune about who should raise Aaron - some time after giving her this warning, he encourages her to board flight 815 because there is a couple in LA who can raise her son

Hmmm...it's also possible that the earliest episodes weren't written with the meticulous attention to continuity we see later, since the writers weren't as certain the series would be renewed. I just don't know...

And another question:

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why did Claire abandon Aaron in the first place, apparently all too easily?

Like you, I'm reviewing the series before season 6 comes next month - though due to time constraints I skipped season 1 (except for the pilot). I viewed the season 5 premiere ("Because You Left") this afternoon; it was the first time I've watched it since season 5 began. Now that I've seen the following episodes, I was impressed with how many little things appear in this episode that telegraph "future" (then-unseen) events in season 5. And the

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unstuck in time and time travel aspects
of this season make it one of my favorites.

Incidentally, there's a commentary on this episode, and this is the first one I've seen that comes with a separate "spoiler warning" screen that advises the viewer regarding spoilers for the entire season are in the commentary, and allowing one to back out if they don't want to hear them.

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

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Topic starter Posted : January 2, 2010 11:58 am
Shadowlander
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I've just capped off Season 3 and have started watching Season 4. My wife got me Seasons 1-5 on DVD for Christmas (if you could see the smile on my face right now :D ) and have picked up on a few inconsistencies here and there.

Thoughts thus far:
Regarding "The Sickness"

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I suspect that the Sickness which Rousseau says took her team and which appears to be related to the Temple (as yet unseen) is the Island's way of generating new Others. It converts regular folks into Others and thus can restock its supply. I suspect Ben was exposed to it when Sayid shot him in Season 5 and Richard Alpert took him to the Temple stating that he would "never be the same" and that he would always be an Other afterwards.

I really, really don't like the Others. I never cheered so much at my TV screen as when

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Sayid, Jin, and Bernard boobytrapped the tents at the end of Season 3 and blew a bunch of others up by shooting the dynamite.
A great moment for the Survivors to be sure! Everytime I see an Other drop I clap my hands. Sue me. ;))

On the flipside I don't believe that Richard Alpert (or "Ricardus" if you prefer ;) ) is a bad man, despite being an Other. I get the distinct feeling he means well and takes overt action only when there is no other way. I like him, despite his being an Other. But he's the only one I can say that about.

Has anyone viewed this Lost Experience thing? There's supposed to be a ton of supplemental material involving the Hanso Foundation and some questionable stuff they do on the side. Considering they backed the DI and their actions seem to be related to the happenings on the Island (even if sometimes obliquely) it seems like a fun little thing to get into if I get my mitts on it. If anyone has viewed it would you recommend it?

A few more questions...

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-Where is the Elizabeth, Desmond's boat?
-Why doesn't Desmond have his future sight ability anymore?
-How did Eloise Hawking get that ability and does she still have it?
-Given the amount of Greek and especially Egyptian architecture and ruins on the island, might we expect to see an Egyptian styled edifice when we finally see the Temple? Like a pyramid, or perhaps a Sphinx of some type?
-How is that the kidnapped survivors of the plane (from the tail section) appear to have been so easily assimilated? Cindy (the flight attendant who accompanies Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, Jin, Michael, and Sawyer across the Island) is kidnapped just outside of the safe area, and when she meets up with Jack later at the Hydra she makes as though it was no big deal.

Just my two cents! :D

Kennel Keeper of Fenris Ulf

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Posted : January 2, 2010 3:28 pm
stargazer
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Glad you're enjoying it! I can certainly understand your sentiments regarding the Others; season 3 did a good job of developing them as antagonists.

I haven't seen the Lost Experience; according to Lostpedia it ran until the beginning of season 3, which is before I began watching the series. Has anyone else seen it?

I'll resist the temptation to comment on the great questions at the end of your post...except to say some will be answered as you continue viewing.

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

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Topic starter Posted : January 3, 2010 10:08 am
narnian1
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I recently started watching The Office (American version) on Netflix Instant.

I saw season 1, 6 episodes, in 2 days. Not much of a challenge.
Season 2, regular 24 episodes, I saw in just about a week- just finished it today actually.
I absolutely love the show!!! :D

I tried 30 Rock,
disliked the pilot, and ep 2 was not much better imo.
I don't see the big deal about it.

The Legend of the Seeker,
I'm seeing this instant too. I've seen 2 episodes. Not great, but has potential. Only I'm too hooked on The Office.

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Posted : January 3, 2010 10:50 am
7chronicles
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I'm very nervous and exited for Season Six of Lost! Exited that all (hopefully) will be revealed :D , but nervous because I don't want anyone of my favorite characters to die :-s I can't wait for February 2nd!!!!!!! :D

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

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Posted : January 3, 2010 11:13 am
Warrior 4 Jesus
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LOST

Shadowlander, I don't know. As I understand it,

All LOST Fans
As for Season 6. This is the last season! We don't have time to muck-around. There's so that has to be sorted through to give us answers - at least to the big questions (about character arcs and resolutions, along with the all important mythology of the Island). I'm just worried that there won't be enough time to do all of this. Granted Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse and the other writers haven't let us down so far but yeah, I'm nervous.

Currently watching:
Doctor Who - Season 11

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Posted : January 3, 2010 12:56 pm
7chronicles
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Was browsing the web and came across this article about the final season of Lost

Here are some highlights:

Describing the tone of the new season, Cuse says they’ll be bringing it back around and it will be most similar to season one. They’re will also be some returning faces…

Cuse: We feel tonally it’s most similar to the first season of the show. We’re employing a different narrative device, which we feel is creating some emotional and heartfelt stories, and we want the audience to have a chance in the final season to remember the entire history of the show. So we have actors coming back like Dominic [Monaghan] and Ian [Sommerhalder]. We’re hoping to achieve a circularity of the entire journey so the ending is reminiscent of the beginning.

As for how fans will receive the finale, Lindelof prognosticates:

Lindelof: The one area we’re in agreement is there will be a short-term reaction to the ending and then a legacy reaction that comes six months, a year down the road, looking at the show as a whole… What people take away from our finale is going to be based purely on that two-hour episode, but our hope is they’ll be able to connect that experience to the six years that preceded it.

Reading this makes me even more exited to see what will happen in the final two hours of Lost!

Here's the link to the full article if anyone is interested:
http://www.collider.com/2010/01/05/lost ... al-season/

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

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Posted : January 5, 2010 5:23 pm
Shadowlander
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I'm very nervous about the 6th season, although I'm terribly excited about it at the same time, and the article above makes me feel a bit of trepidation.

I was once a huge fan of Stephen King's Dark Tower series of books, considering it cutting edge and exciting, merging all sorts of genres together to create one heckuva rollicking good story. And then King, perhaps feeling the pressures of age and the possibility of death (he was nearly killed a few years earlier after getting hit by a car) "hurried" the thing until it was done, and it was done in a rushed, ramshackle fashion. And it had the lamest, most contrived ending that had King been standing in front of me when I finished the last page I seriously might have backhanded him.

Which is why I now refer to it as "Dark Tower Syndrome". So when Lindelof says, "The one area we’re in agreement is there will be a short-term reaction to the ending and then a legacy reaction that comes six months, a year down the road, looking at the show as a whole… What people take away from our finale is going to be based purely on that two-hour episode, but our hope is they’ll be able to connect that experience to the six years that preceded it.", that makes me concerned that they may have a case of Dark Tower Syndrome, especially with the phrases "short term reaction" and "legacy reaction". That indicates that perhaps viewers either won't initially like what they see when it ends or it'll be some idiotic "high concept" ending where only the supposed "smart people" in the room can appreciate it. There are a ton of questions yet to be answered and they only have this one season to get those answers to the viewer. And that means there are going to be some rushes done (in some form or fashion) and I don't want them dropping a lame ending on us. I fear lame endings...no, I'm terrified of this show having a lame ending.

I made a vow to never again read a Stephen King book after The Dark Tower, so intense was my anger, and it hasn't abated. I don't want Cuse and Lindelof ending up in that column either.

Kennel Keeper of Fenris Ulf

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Posted : January 6, 2010 8:08 pm
stargazer
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Your thoughts are well-taken, Shadowlander. I hope the end of the series will not leave a bad taste in fans' mouths after all the good stuff that has gone on before.

Often it's the end of a series that I remember, especially if I found it disappointing. For example:

Quantum Leap -

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After all the good Sam Beckett has done for others, he gets his final wish - to save his friend Al's marriage - and then the screen fades to black and we read that Sam disappears forever. I found that very disappointing.

Star Trek Enterprise -

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I'm kind of torn on this one. The identity of the mysterious 'Chef' is revealed, but it turns out the series has been a holodeck recreation with TNG's Riker.

Which reminds me vaguely of one the most infamous of all (in my opinion): St Elsewhere -

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in which the series ends with the revelation that it's all been in the mind of an autistic child.

At least Lost has addressed this one, if indirectly, in the second-season episode "Dave," in which Hurley becomes convinced his time on the island is a delusion and he's still in the Santa Rosa facility. Libby convinces him otherwise.

A little more season 6 gossip, taken from this article, which appears to be an expanded version of the interview 7chronicles linked above, this time appearing in The Hollywood Reporter:

Cuse: Jack and Locke have always been at the center of the show, that dilemma of faith vs. reason, and the conflict between those two characters has been there since the beginning. It's very exciting to bring that relationship to its conclusion, and we can't really be any less vague about that.

THR: You mentioned a narrative device, I'm assuming it's not a flashback or flashforward?

Cuse: Musical numbers. If you love Bollywood movies, you will love this season.

Lindelof: The show never rests on its laurels. Not because we're trying to be artsy, but the show demands constant shifts to best tell the story. We've known what we were going to do for a couple years now, and there's been a tremendous amount of work setting up the premise so it would work. But we're still wondering, "Will it work? Will the audience understand? What's the reaction going to be like?"

THR: Since there is no footage being revealed in advance of the Feb. 2 season premiere, is there anything you can say to tease it?

Cuse: We ended with

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Juliet pounding on this atomic warhead. There's Jack's prediction that the bomb will reset events and the plane will never crash. There's the possibility that it doesn't work. We want the audience to be pondering what is the consequence of Juliet hitting that bomb.
Our cliffhangers are designed to frame the question that we want audience thinking about.

And regarding the finality of this season:

THR: Can you say definitively, after this final episode, there will never be another produced hour of "Lost" on film, TV, Web, any medium -- this is it?

Cuse: The Walt Disney Co. owns "Lost." It's a franchise that's conservatively worth billions of dollars. It's hard to imagine "Lost" will rest on the shelves and nothing will ever be made with "Lost." Eventually somebody will make something under the moniker of "Lost" -- whether we do it or not. We just made a commitment to this group of characters whose stories are coming to a conclusion this May.

Lindelof: ...The definitive edition of "Lost" ends this May on ABC, and that is the story that we have to tell. It has a beginning, middle and end. That ending will not have cliffhangers, or be set up in such a way that people will be saying, "Clearly they're going to make more of these." We don't have any connection to another TV series or movie, but...This is a business that thrives on known commodities. "Tron" is the most buzzed-about Disney movie for next year, and it has been gathering dust for 20 years. I cannot imagine there will not be something with "Lost" on it involving smoke monsters and polar bears and time travel.

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

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Topic starter Posted : January 7, 2010 2:55 pm
Bookwyrm
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Finally started watching season 5 of Lost a few days ago. I was very excited to see

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the return of the mysterious older woman Desmond encountered earlier. I was wondering if we'd ever see here again.

Given the way Ben is acting, I'm wondering if the Oceanic 6 actually has to be alive when they return to the Island. Locke being dead doesn't seem to be much of a problem for him. Unless Locke's going to return to life since the Island seems to act like Locke's personal doctor. And why do they have to return anyway? Is the Island going to have a tantrum? :P

Concerning Hurley, I'm wondering if it's possible he's not hallucinating the dead people that keep having conversations with him. Considering how many dead people were wandering around the Island and the fact that Miles sees dead people, I don't think it's far-fetched at all for Hurley to actually be seeing the dead.

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Posted : January 7, 2010 6:32 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Season 5 is very complex but incredibly enjoyable. I think you'll like it. You'll see more of the 'mysterious older woman'. I can't wait to read your thoughts. Don't let anyone spoil it for you.

Currently watching:
Doctor Who - Season 11

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Posted : January 7, 2010 9:36 pm
stargazer
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Definitely, Warrior. I'm rewatching season 5 now (just finished episode 5, "316") and it's among the series' best, in my opinion. No spoilers here. except perhaps

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to warn Bookwyrm to watch for a pretty flagrant Narnia reference in the early episodes.

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

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Topic starter Posted : January 8, 2010 9:00 am
ramagut
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I'm one of those people who don't get interested in a show until it's almost over. That's the way I was with Lost. I spent so much time on Netflix watching all the seasons, now that season 5 is out, I don't remember much of the enormously complex story lines. So, I have season 5 in my queue, but I don't know if I want to watch them now or not. I'm so lost. Ha Ha. (OK, it's late and I'm tired.)
But, I did get House for my birthday and Christmas and my anniversary. (Dec 5-Jan 9) All of the seasons! I had watched via Netflix seasons 1-3, now I'm watching my very own season 4! And I don't have to wait days for the next DVD! Woo Hoo!!!
And speaking of TV; ceppault and I went and watched a taping of The Big Bang Theory in Hollywood on Dec. 8th. It should be showing on Monday night. I wouldn't suggest it to anyone really young, but it's a funny show about nerds. Always makes me laugh. And it was a fun experience! It was one of my "bucket list" things. To see a taping of a sitcom. Got one crossed off-yes!

Love God, love people

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Posted : January 8, 2010 5:26 pm
MereChristian
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That sounds like a cool experience, ramagut. :D I am so jealous about your House collection. =p~ It's so awesome.

For those who are interested, 24 premieres next weekend, and Chuck this weekend. :D

God bless all. :)

I bid you all adieu.

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Posted : January 8, 2010 9:12 pm
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