Aegnor and Andreth aren't names I'm familiar with; and I know I've read both the Lost and Unfinished Tales. Perhaps it's in one of the volumes of HoME I didn't read?

ok, Aegnor and Andreth both loved each other, and she was mortal and he was elven. However, they did not wed because of that fact. Her fate is not known.

This comes from the HoME series.

I've put this off for far too long ...

Back to page 7 and Pattertwigs Pal post, with which I totally agree in every aspect :

Speaking of Aragorn, I really did not like how in the movie he did not want his throne. ....... [and a separate thought] Aragorn’s situation reminds me of Jesus.

Regarding movie Aragorn not wanting the throne ("I do not want that power [to wield the Sword that was Broken]; I have never wanted it"): Good grief! I just sing 'la-la-la-la-la" LOUDLY when Viggo states that awful line. Regarding the reminder of Jesus: Yes! I find so many of Tolkien's positive characters represent a type of Christ at various times, but (book) Aragorn does most for me, I think.

An aside: when we were watching Fellowship with an audience of over 2,000 on the big screen in Grand Rapids last weekend (more to come on that later) it once again struck me that movie Aragorn is just not revealed as the lord he was written to be. One example of many: in the book when the three boats of Lothlórien had just passed the Argonath and were screaming through the narrow chasm of water, Samwise was terrified: "What a horrible place! Just let me get out of this boat, and I'll never wet my toes in a puddle again, let alone a river!" (Oh, how I love dear Sam!) At that point a strange voice behind him said with great authority "Fear not!" Frodo and Sam looked back to see Aragorn revealed for a short time as a kingly and powerful figure! Wow! Now, for a large and very sad contrast, all the movie shows is Aragorn tapping Frodo on the shoulder saying quietly "The Argonath" (plus a bit more), and there is not a hint of power nor authority there ).

Other folk have answered the Aegnor and Andreth bit, so I'll leave it at that, although, ww, I also am not sure of whom you refer (the aging woman and the young man).

sillygoose (from page 9): as I have indicated above I agree that movie Aragorn and book Aragorn seem like two different people, yes. I did like Strider in Fellowship better than Aragorn in the latter two, as Strider seems to be more like the Strider of the book, whereas Aragorn ... *trails off into mumbling misery and weeps afresh* Having said that, I think Viggo did a superb job of what he had to work with (especially as Strider). And I do rather like his "Men of the West" Black Gate speech in The RotK.

kat, I like what you said here about Aragorn "carrying his lineage proudly" in the book. Why, oh why did PJ have to change this?!! *grabs the unsuspecting Mel and her shoulder on which to sob*

Regarding Théoden, Denethor, and Faramir, I don't like how PJ changed any of 'em, although Faramir and Théoden the most (in that order, too). It bugs me that Théoden questioned why he should ride to Gondor's aid since Gondor didn't come to Rohan's aid! Just like a little, whiny, selfish kid. Not like Tolkien's Théoden.

Okay, bit of a different focus: I sure wish the actor who is playing Bilbo Baggins would be announced soon: the suspense is almost killing me.

Now, to tell y'all a bit about the FotR Grand Rapids, MI weekend: it was a marvelous 3 & 1/2 hour Middle-earth experience. The live symphony and choir encompassed us with Shore's brilliant and moving score, and I found that different instruments often stood out than one hears on the soundtrack. Particular to note were the French Horns, the dulcimer, the harp, and percussion. The two soloists were so-so: one didn't have great breath control, although her voice was okay; the other was off-key but the main focus was the orchestra and the large choir, anyway. And seeing The FotR on a large screen again was a treat, indeedy. Plus it was fun meeting up with some other NarniaWebbers! If anyone is interested here is a review.

Howard Shore's shadow, Doug Adams, is due to finally release his book on the music of The Lord of the Rings in April. This has been a long time coming and I'm counting the days!

Eru, even though I am not overly fond of how the movie changed this scene (although I can understand why they did so, I do find the expression on Aragorn's face (in your sig) so very moving in the EE. It just breaks your heart!

*ahem* Pardon the length of this.

*pats jo on the back* There, there.

I was going to recommend an audio version as therapy, but even though I currently have the complete set of Mind's Eye audio dramas ... I haven't even got past the gates of Bree yet. Tom Bombadil routing the Barrow Wight was pretty cool, though.

Where's a handy lightbulb emoticon? It just occurred to me that I know what the story in Unfinished Tales with the young(ish) man and aging woman is! Aldarion and Erendis. <--not info, but the picture that jogged my memory

I've read the LoTR books four or five times and I've never watched the movies. I want to sometime.

My favorite character is Eowyn because she was not allowed to go to war so she dressed up as a guy and went anyway. You go girl!

I like Eowyn too, but my friends don't which i don't know why? They find her annoying.

Also did you know that there was a Lord of the Rings Musical? Here's the site http://www.lotr.com/

I LOVE the song Lothloren from the musical. It's really really good!

ok, Aegnor and Andreth both loved each other, and she was mortal and he was elven. However, they did not wed because of that fact. Her fate is not known.

This comes from the HoME series.

Some more details about this:
Aegnor is one of Galadriel's brothers. Andreth is the sister of Beren's grandfather. Andreth grew old and Aegnor stayed young, and at one point she talk to his brother Finrod (perhaps more than once, but this story happens when she is 48 years old). They have a very interesting discussion about the fate of Men and Elves, and at the end of the story they also touch upon what had happened between his brother and her in her youth. Bittersweet, and a beautiful story.

The story can be found in HoME 10 (Morgoth's Ring) and is called the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, which means the Debate between Finrod and Andreth. I recommend it - not least because of their first discussion. It includes Andreth referring to a rumour among her people that some day Eru will enter into Arda (the world) to defeat Morgoth, the enemy. Finrod finds this very interesting and tells how it strengthens his hope.

Do read it, if you can get hold of HoME 10! The Athrabeth is my single favorite Tolkien text ...

And the Commentary to the story itself tells that Aegnor is killed in the Battle
of Sudden Flame, when Andreth is 94, if she is still alive. There is great upheaval at the time, because of the fire sent forth by the enemy, and it is possible that Andreth also perished in those days. She may in fact have survived Aegnor, if only briefly.

Someone mentioned Aldarion and Erendis from Unfinished Tales - but they are both mortals, living in Numenor, and they both age normally for Numenoreans. Although he might age a bit more slowly, being of the royal line, who was descended from Elrond's brother, Elros - but he wouldn't stay young.

Aldarion was

The name means '[He-Who-Is] of-trees'. His true name was Anardil, meaning 'devoted to the sun'. He was also called the Mariner King, the Great Captain, and Lord of the Ships and Havens of Númenor.

Son of Tar-Meneldur and Almarian, and sixth of the Kings of Númenor. Husband of Erendis.

In Aldarion the male descent of Elros (Tar-Minyatur, the first king) failed. On his death, Númenor turned to its first ruling Queen, his daughter, Tar-Ancalimë.

Erendis was

Erendis was a woman of Númenor and was of the House of Bëor through ancient lines of descent.

She it was who wed Tar-Aldarion who became the sixth of the Kings of Númenor. She bore to him a daughter who was called Tar-Ancalimë.

Thus, they are both mortals, even if they are Númenoreans. Also, their relationship did not end well, like what yall are thinking, theirs was:

The love between Erendis and Tar-Aldarion eventually turned to hate and they became estranged and separated in SA 882. Erendis also became estranged from her daughter, Tar-Ancalimë, and she finally "perished in water in the year 985." (Unfinished Tales, Aldarion and Erendis)

I don't think that is who yall are thinking of.

Was it ever said that the relationship we all were/are trying to think of ended happily?

They were in love, and it was emphasized in the story that she aged quicker than he did. I don't remember how much that affected them; as I recall, the bigger issue was that he kept leaving and she didn't particularly like ships.

hmmm... no.

Not sure what I was thinking there. It was late at night give me a break!

Didn't like ships eh? ok. I remember reading that somewhere.

Was it ever said that the relationship we all were/are trying to think of ended happily?

They were in love, and it was emphasized in the story that she aged quicker than he did. I don't remember how much that affected them; as I recall, the bigger issue was that he kept leaving and she didn't particularly like ships.

We're talking about two different relationships here - first Ranger of Llangolenn mentioned Aegnor and Andreth, whose story is found in HoME 10, and this then reminded you of the story of Aldarion and Erindis, which is found in Unfinished Tales. Their aging difference didn't affect their already dysfunctional marriage much, and they were both mortals anyway.

With the elf Aegnor and the mortal woman Andreth, things were rather different. Aegnor's brother Finrod actually said that marriages between elf and mortal weren't a very good idea, and should only occur "for some high purpose of Doom", and the best would be if death ended them soon. So Aegnor never asked Andreth to marry him. And she complained to his brother: "For one year, one day, of the flame I would have given all: kin, youth, and hope itself".

About Aragorn not wanting the kingship, I'm due to get disagreement from the way you guys were writing. I'm not going to try to convince you all of anything, but I can't help but put in my two cents.

Just note this: Peter Jackson added in "the element of self-doubt" to increase dramatic tension. That's also why Faramir, Galadriel and Gandalf all have "darker elements" added to them. Besides, the element of self-doubt in Aragorn paves the way for Arwen's increased role; she has to convince him, if I remember correctly.

I think the movies are more realistic. It certainly sounds heroic for Aragorn to suddenly appear a kingly figure when they pass by the Argonath. But that never happens in real life , in other words, we never turn around to find someone we know suddenly appearing tall and great and shining and heroic, and then the next moment they're just themselves again. So it makes Aragorn appear human when he simply taps Frodo on the shoulder and says "The Argonath."

In a different vein, I can understand why you all feel differently (like someone stating that Viggo had a horrible line about never wanting the kingship). My stomach turned when I saw Frodo reject Sam, and that could also be taken as more "realistic". I didn't have much time to grow attached to the books before I saw the movies (like I actually did with Narnia), but the LotR characters are certainly much stronger in the books.

Sorry for not putting in direct quotes from other people here, I'm new and haven't quite figured out all the ropes yet

I feel that the decisions to make Aragorn more human in the movie, were generally well-thought out and executed. That said, I can't stand the scene in TT where Aragorn falls off a cliff (dramatic tension - yes, but cliché to the max) and in RotK where Frodo tells Sam to go back to the Shire. I mean, that wasn't true to his character at all. The others I can forgive, because otherwise Faramir etc. come across as not human and the power of the ring's temptation is severely undermined.
I really enjoyed Peter Jackson's interpretations. Sure, there are some things I would have added or excluded but overall they're great movies.
I'm not sure why Peter Jackson didn't do the Barrowight scene in FotR (that was right up his alley).

Well I could go on and on about stuff but I won't, simply because alot of things have already been discussed into the dirt and another because I've already stated my position.

But I was just wondering, alot of time we focus on the negative, what were your most favorite parts of the books/movies?

*is aware that Aegnor/Andreth (which I haven't read--yet) does not equal Aldarion/Erendis (which I have read, several times)* Never said they did, either.

EDIT: Ooooh, jo's post reminded me of my favourite part in FotR the movie. (Okay, one of them.) I happen to love watching the Argonath sequence. It's not quite as impressive to me in stills, but the audio and visuals work together and its just WOW. I think it's rather like what I'd feel if I saw one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, but as I haven't seen one of them yet...

I don't remember a favourite part in TT the movie.

I do remember being wowed by Gandalf and Pippin's entrance to Minas Tirith. They went up and around and around and up and... it was really cool.