Ahhhh, so it was YOU!

We had some fun chatting in role on Sunday and Monday (my time) - I have had such a busy week I hadn't got round to checking out the lists again.

I saw this article in the Newspaper this morning. It's not but but it does talk about some scenes.

So, the thing that really stuck out to me about the article was the snippet about

(Do we need spoilers? Eh, it makes it look that much more mysterious, so why not. )

Anyway, as far as my last read through is concerned, I don't remember anything like that. So! I speculate...

Im  surprised  no one has posted the article from TheOneRing.net yet!

10 min screened at CinemaCon (Major Spoilers!): 
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/04 ... -analysis/

I Can't wait!!!! Only 230 days to go!!!

Anyway, as far as my last read through is concerned, I don't remember anything like that. So! I speculate...

Spoiler

Do the trolls hide in a tomb instead of a cave? Geographically, that'd make sense, and they skipped the Barrow Downs in LotR, so why not pull them into this two movie extravaganza complete with extra backstory?

This is my personal favourite theory, but what do y'all think?

I think the tomb the article was talking about was the place where.

Thanks for the link, 7chronicles. I don't go to the one ring unless someone here links to it.

About your question, Mel.

I really need a reread.

Awwww, spoilers take some of the fun out of speculation. But on the whole, that was a very interesting article that will help shape my expectations for the movie. Thanks for the link, 7Chronicles.

(I think the last line of the snippet you quoted Twigs is one that sums up my feelings (on many book to movie translations) exactly.)

Interesting article! In addition to the plot-related details, I was fascinated by the discussion of the new 48 frames/second filming rate (twice the industry standard) - how this makes for a higher-resolution crisper image (something like HDTV), but that not everyone's on board with this development. I'm curious to see what the finished film will look like, given this advancement.

Ok, I haven't read the reviews of the 10 min trailer very closely because I'm trying to keep some stuff a surprise when the movie comes out. But I've seen bits and pieces being discussed elsewhere so I thought I'd comment on them really fast.

First up....

Honestly, I don't have much of an opinion on the above. If you had asked me the details about those characters in the book, I wouldn't have been able to recall what happened with them. And as such, I'm not going to form an opinion until I see how it works out in the movie.

But I was bothered a little bit more by ....

And I think that's it for now. Everything else looks and sounds good and I can't wait til December!!

Fantasia, re:

Ah ok, thanks Mel. I haven't read the Unfinished or Lost Tales so I didn't know that. I SUPPOSE I can give them a pass on it then.

Actually, Mel, I think that was said somewhere in Silmarillion or LotR's Appendices. *goes upstairs to check books* Aha!

*puts in spoilers for those who don't wish to see*

Hi Everybody!

So...I recently discovered the joys of LOTR.For the first time. (Yeah, I know...I'm kinda slow with this. ) I've only gotten to see TFOTR & TTT so far, I need to find TROTK somewhere...fast. It was very very good, I truly love it.But I have some questions.
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a.) In TFOTR, if Arwen is an elf and Aragorn (or is it Aragon?) is a human, how does he know how to speak elfin (or elfish)?

b.) Where is Aragorn from? In TTT, why doesn't he call his own people to the final battle in the film? He's talking about having so few...why not call his own men?

c.) In TTT, if the King is Eowyn's Uncle, and the guy that was banished is her brother...

d.) Where is Middle Earth? Is this an imaginary place, like Narnia, or is it supposedly on this planet? When is this taking place?

e.) If Sauromon is the little bad guy, what's the name of the big bad guy...the eye thing in Mordor. And wasn't that the same thing that

f.) And assuming the King in the very beginning of TFOTR ...what happened to him? Did he die? Or is he the big bad guy?

g.) In TTT when

h.) Is elfin or elfish, or however you say it, is a real, written down language for LOTR fans that you can actually learn?

i.) I have a BIG book with all 3 LOTR books in it, along with a bunch of extra stuff like character,people,creature lists, along with all LOTR verses and songs and a list of symbols. Now, all of this is gibberish to me, watching the films was like a whole new world...what would you suggest for a newbie LOTR fan? Any tips?

j.) And lastly, the field where the battle is when is that same field used in LWW? It sure looked like it!
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So anyway, other than all that confusion-ness, I really like it.

I like all the characters, all the hobbits, elves, everybody. They all add something special to the story. I was a little disappointed though in TTT, Pippin and Merry don't really do much.

Also, I thought the whole Arwen/Aragorn/Eowyn thing is weird...I always thought Eowyn would be with Legolas. (I knew very little next to none about LOTR) And the scene in TTT with the Arwen & Aragorn dream? Sorry, couldn't help myself... Just weird...it was a very good thing I didn't see this in a theater - there is no way I would have been able to hold in my explosion of laughter... I'm not against the romance, but the lies were cheesy:

"I'm dreaming."

(duh)

"Then it is a very good dream... "

LoL, sorry...

I have to say though, when you first see "Stryper" in TFOTR, all I could think of was this avatar by Aravis Autarkeia

I never knew what it was from, and I remember seeing it all the time, someone used to use it alot on here.So when I saw that scene I grinned.

The soundtracks are lovely, and it's so funny to finally see Aniron,Lothlorien, & May it Be in the film...I had always listened to Enya, for years, long before I even knew about LOTR, so when it got to the Aniron scene, that was sweet... One thing though, the song Evenstar...I could have sworn it was from LOTR, but I don't see it on any soundtrack?

When I was watching the films, certain camera shots and certain lines reminded me alot of Narnia films. For example:

1. in TFOTR when Arwen races across the river with Frodo, is reminded me of PC when prince Caspian flees.

2. and when she says the spell to make the river come down on them? Looked like Aslan at the end of PC when he roars at the Telmarine army on the bridge.

3. When Sauromon says "We have work to do..." The White Witch says this is LWW.

4. In TFOTR Bordiror has a horn that he blows for help - like Susan.

Amongst other things...just saw some similarities...

And throughout both films, I'm inwardly laughing at all the little spoof lines from VeggieTales Lord of the Beans. "You have my sword, you have my bow, you have my axe" "We failed...the fellowship failed!" "Why is it the blue gate, you ask?" "Sporks" and "Ear-of-corn" and "Lego-of-lamb". If you've never seen it before, I highly suggest it, just for a laugh. I'm waiting for someone to come along is TROTK singing:

"I'm a lucky fella, I'm a lucky boy, 'cause I got me new umbrella, and it's me pride and joy..."

Wow, I didn't realize how big of a post I had. I'll shut up now. And if I spelled or said any words wrong, please feel free to correct me, I'm still learning the world and ways of Middle Earth. (Now the Hobbit trailer makes way more sense )

When someone has the time, could they please post YouTube links to the Hobbit production videos? I've already seen # 5 & 6, if that helps.

I like that trailer!

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I see that what I've said in my spoiler, may be contradicted in the movie - I still think it should be possible to combine the facts ...

I'm now going to answer AslansChild's question, and since it's so long, I'll put it in a new post rather than edit.

I think this belongs here...
A man from my city (who I met just once, a couple of years ago) was a professional barrel maker (cooper) who made the barrels for The Hobbit (and several other films. We were sad to read today that he has died.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6832928/Hobbits-Chch-barrel-maker-dies

That's sad, coracle

So...I recently discovered the joys of LOTR.For the first time. (Yeah, I know...I'm kinda slow with this. ) I've only gotten to see TFOTR & TTT so far, I need to find TROTK somewhere...fast. It was very very good, I truly love it.But I have some questions.

Yay! Great to meet a new fan! I'd recommend reading the books as well - you say that you have a copy, so read the 3 LotR books in it

I'll be happy to answer your questions - I love talking about Middle-earth

a.) In TFOTR, if Arwen is an elf and Aragorn (or is it Aragon?) is a human, how does he know how to speak elfin (or elfish)?

Aragorn was fostered at Rivendell by Elrond, Arwen's father.

Aragorn was the last in a long line of Chieftains of the North, and it had long been a tradtion that the heirs to the Chieftains were fostered for a while at Rivendell.

Even more reason to do so with Aragorn, because his father was killed by Orcs when Aragorn was only two years old. His mother moved to Rivendell with him then. He visits her tomb with a statue of her somewhere in FotR EE.

Aragorn didn't meet Arwen until he was twenty years old, though, because she had been away, visiting her grandmother Galadriel. Galadriel is the mother of Elrond's wife, who left Middle-earth to sail to the West many years ago.

b.) Where is Aragorn from? In TTT, why doesn't he call his own people to the final battle in the film? He's talking about having so few...why not call his own men?

As Chieftain of the North, he's the leader of the Rangers of the North (who are not a great army). There wouldn't be time to get them, as they would have to travel for many days to get to Helm's Deep. (And if you say, "But the Elves got there" - well, they must have been sent in advance - and also, in the book they weren't there at all, they only were there in the movie ...)

c.) In TTT, if the King is Eowyn's Uncle, and the guy that was banished is her brother...

d.) Where is Middle Earth? Is this an imaginary place, like Narnia, or is it supposedly on this planet? When is this taking place?

To start with, Tolkien wanted to write a mythology for England, and he builds part of it on some words in Middle-English literature that may mean Elf-friend. With that idea, it would supposedly be on this planet.

I'm not sure whether Tolkien stuck to that idea for all of his life - his first idea started with a flat earth, and included a catastrophic event to change the earth from flat to round. I think he planned to change that to the earth having been round all along, but he hadn't gotten very far with those plans.

And he would have had to rewrite all his unpublished works then, and there wasn't time before he died in 1973. His son Christopher edited (but didn't rewrite) The Silmarillion and published it in 1977.

If this is supposedly on our planet, then the events of LotR happened some 6 to 7 thousand years ago.

e.) If Sauromon is the little bad guy, what's the name of the big bad guy...the eye thing in Mordor. And wasn't that the same thing that

Saruman is the little bad guy, and Sauron is the big bad guy in Mordor with the big eye. And that other thing wasn't the same individual at all, but someone else.

f.) And assuming the King in the very beginning of TFOTR ...what happened to him? Did he die? Or is he the big bad guy?

If you mean the king - Isildur - who cut off the finger with the Ring from Sauron's hand, he's not Aragorn's father, but his great-great-grandfather some twenty generations back. He was descended from Elrond's twin brother, who chose to be a mortal, while Elrond chose to be an Elf - they got that choice because their parents were descended from both Elves and mortals.

So Arwen and Aragorn are first cousins thirtyseven times removed (or thirty-something anyway )

Isildur tried to swim across the river Anduin, pursued by some Orcs. He put on the Ring to hide from them, but the Ring slipped off his finger, and he became visible again and was shot by some Orc archers. For what happened to the Ring - it will be told in the RotK movie which you haven't seen yet

His son became king after him, but after some hundred years, the kingdom of the north dissolved, and there were just smaller realms led by Chieftains instead.

g.) In TTT when

h.) Is elfin or elfish, or however you say it, is a real, written down language for LOTR fans that you can actually learn?

Elvish is a group of languages spoken by different groups of Elves. The language that is most used in the movies is called Sindarin. Some of the songs, though, are written in Quenya, which was hardly used any more at the time of LotR, but it would have been Galadriel's mother tongue when she was a child ten thousand years earlier.

Tolkien made the languages before he made the stories, and worked on the languages as much as he worked on the stories.
You might say that he wrote the stories to have some people to speak the languages that he had made ...

Quenya and Sindarin were the two languages that he developed the most - but because part of that development was to show how they changed over the years, it's difficult to decide on a definite version of them. And there are parts of the grammar that weren't as well developed as others, so it would be difficult to actually speak what he made.

Tolkien wrote poetry in his languages, some of which you'll find in the book - and even some of the Quenya in the movies is taken from Tolkien's own texts.

Fans have tried to gather the information and make one language of it, though - of Quenya especially, which is more developed than Sindarin.

http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/index.html is a site about Tolkien's languages - it includes a Quenya Course. The webmaster of that site has even tried to translate parts of the Bible (although he claims to be an agnostic) into Neo-Quenya.

The film-makers developed Neo-Sindarin for the Elvish conversations in the movie, since Sindarin is the language that Arwen would have spoken at Rivendell.

i.) I have a BIG book with all 3 LOTR books in it, along with a bunch of extra stuff like character,people,creature lists, along with all LOTR verses and songs and a list of symbols. Now, all of this is gibberish to me, watching the films was like a whole new world...what would you suggest for a newbie LOTR fan? Any tips?

Read the 3 LotR books. And then, to find out more about the Ring, read The Hobbit.

Then read about people and their history, and about characters and their history.

(And watch the first Hobbit movie in December.)

j.) And lastly, the field where the battle is when is that same field used in LWW? It sure looked like it!

It might not be exactly the same field - but the battles of LWW were also shot in New Zealand.

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And my answer became even bigger - I can be like that when you get me started. I enjoy sharing!