I'm with Eruceninde and W4J on Denethor (a shock I know ). I think the film did quite a good job of depicting Denethor. It captured the essence of how I feel he was portrayed in the book. As someone in who the Nobility of the Blood of Numenor had diminished. And as someone embittered by the loss of his favourite son and the losses to Sauron.

The whole tomato eating scene was a brilliant allusion to how far he had sunk and the juice (blood) dripping down his chin symbolized the insanity of sending his last son to an almost certain death. I think Eru correctly points out that we are introduced to Denethor after the madness is already well under way. In any case, his being a jerk even before completely losing his marbles, I think is in the books in his blatant favouritism. I never did like his character.

GB

I'm fustrated,and it has to do with the title of this thread,really.
Has anyone ever done an arangement of "The Road goes ever on and on" from the movie "Fellowship of the Ring"? I can't seem to find one anywhere !
I don't like the version by the "Tolkien Ensemble",it's much too modern,and I can't find any other version. But I love the one that Gandalf sings in the movie,it's so simple and hobbitish,it sounds like a tune that's catchy,yet simple,I can't believe no artist has jumped on it to cover it. I've learned to play it on the piano by ear,and sing it too.

It makes me want to go out and buy high quality recording equiptment so I can go put my own version out on iTunes...or at least YouTube.

On Denethor....I don't really care for the way he was potrayed in the movie...but I think it was the best they could do in the time they had. Not to mention the ablity of the brain of someone who hasn't read the book to hold so much plot in so short a time...never liked him book or movie,but we aren't supposed to

On the grape tomatos,ug,I think that him eating is more gross than the battle....but it does hold that sybolism of his not caring...
Just watched the EE mini-docs about the costumes,at least I can appricate all the work that went into his clothing...

I'm not sure how many of you play LOTR TCG but I'm hoping that if the Hobbit comes out in theaters then they will make more LOTR cards.

Anyone know of Aegnor and Andreth? I only found out about the pair two days ago. I didn't know that a male elf could love a mortal woman.

It's a beautiful little story, Ranger. Have you read the dialogue Tolkien wrote for them yet? It's sort of a work of Ardan philosophy, if you know what I mean.

Personally I thought that Denethor and Theoden were the two great failures in the films as far as characters (besides possibly Gimli). The actors were great for what was presented, and they were good characters in themselves, but I simply couldn't see the book characters in them. Others did different things than or were slightly different (such as Boromir, Faramir, or Treebeard) than their manifestation in the novel, but their essence was well-captured. I didn't feel that way with those two.

I just saw The Return of the King again, and I find it intriguing that the same film can produce feelings of deep admiration (charge of the Rohirrim), and deep disappointment (change/removal of Gandalf's confrontation with the Witch-king). It annoyingly sways between deep poetry, the true Tolkien spirit, and the ruts of cinematic cheapness. Fortunately I can forgive one for the merits of the other, I know some others simply can't.

I think Movie!Theoden aggravates me more than what they did with Movie!Denethor. He's almost the complete opposite of Book!Theoden for the whole of TTT. It isn't until RotK that he finally starts to resemble the book character.

I'm not very fond of MovieTheoden until the end of the Battle at Helm's Deep where they ride out at dawn. That's where he's really King Theoden. He's even better in RotK at the Ride of the Rohirrim.
I like Gimli.

i thought bookAragorn and MovieAragorn seemed like two completely different people. The bookAragorn was mysterious and dark but also had a slightly more bright side to him. He seemed to smile more in the book too. The MovieAragorn was just dark and mysterious. You knew nothing about him and he never said anything. he was just like there to lead the people into victory. i mean i like the movieAragorn but i just thought he was different from the bookAragorn. Did anyone else think so too?

I noticed only slightly the difference between the movieAragorn and the bookAragorn. I am sort of supprised I enjoyed the movies so much because I am such a big fan of the original books. I usualy like things very close to the books but I supprised myself by really loving the movies.

I like almost all the added scenes and features they added to the movies. With movies you have to make them to where people will want to watch them over and over again. Also you have to add things To the story line. Why watch a movie if you already know exactly what happens. But if there is some new cool parts added then I'd want to watch the movie too.

One of the parts the movie explained more fully than the book ever did, was Faramir's role and personality. They more fully developed his charecter in the movie. I wish even more was dwelt upon him and the story surounding him. But for the movie time they had, I thought they did remarkably well.

I'm in the middle of rereading LotR. I am finally on RotK. It usually takes me a bit to get through TTT. I guess it has something to do with the slower pace of Sam and Frodo's journey in that part of the story. The Treebeard/Gandalf/Merry and Pip parts were as fun as ever to read.

Aragorn in the movie was indeed different from Aragorn in the book. In the book, he declared who he was and his lineage proudly. He even carried Anduril. In the movie he doesn't come off as noble as he does in the book except in occasional spurts like the council scene, in Helm's Deep, and then of course starting in the paths of the dead and throughout the rest of the movie.

It's a beautiful little story, Ranger. Have you read the dialogue Tolkien wrote for them yet? It's sort of a work of Ardan philosophy, if you know what I mean.

Where is this story found? I had wondered if there were any instances where a male elf fell in love with woman or if only men fell in love with female elves.

Personally I thought that Denethor and Theoden were the two great failures in the films as far as characters (besides possibly Gimli). The actors were great for what was presented, and they were good characters in themselves, but I simply couldn't see the book characters in them. Others did different things than or were slightly different (such as Boromir, Faramir, or Treebeard) than their manifestation in the novel, but their essence was well-captured. I didn't feel that way with those two.

While I think that Faramir was far worse than Denethor and Theoden, I agree that the book characters were missing in them. Gandalf saves Theoden and then Theoden doesn't listen to his advice and wants to hide instead of fight?

I think Movie!Theoden aggravates me more than what they did with Movie!Denethor. He's almost the complete opposite of Book!Theoden for the whole of TTT. It isn't until RotK that he finally starts to resemble the book character.

I would agree with this. Although it took him quite awhile to in RotK before he resembles the Book!Theoden.
sillygoose, I agree that BookAragorn and MovieAragorn are different. BookAragorn is much better. I love in the book how Aragorn chooses which side of his personality to show. He can be the Ranger or the King. (not that he ever stops being one or they other but he reveals them at different times). In the movies, he spent the first two denying his kingship.

I think Theoden in the movie is different mainly because of the change in the setup for the battles. The Helm's Deep battle in the movie is actually a series of battles in the books. Some shifts in character probably had to occur to make the reason he went to Helm's Deep in the movie a bit more plausible.

I'm not excusing it though. Theoden was much more a king in the books then he was in TTT.

Where is this story found? I had wondered if there were any instances where a male elf fell in love with woman or if only men fell in love with female elves.

I want to know where this is too! I remember reading it, perhaps somewhere in the Lost Tales. It was short and I can't seem to find it flipping through them. I seem to remember that she grew old and was going to eventually die, while he remained young. Does anyone know where this is?

I'm thinking they all were in the Silmarillion. Because there are 4 stories like that in all I believe...

I think it was Elwing/Eärendil. Elwing was a descendant of Beren/Luthien, and she was mortal. Though being descended from them, later, she was given the choice, and she chose immortality.

Is this who yall are thinking of?

No, I don't think that is the one I am thinking of. I'll have to look and see though. I distinctly remember the woman getting old and the man remaining young. Hmm.