WHAT???

One thing you should be able to learn about glumPuddle fairly quickly is that he has very passionate reactions to things related to the Narnia movies.

But in this case, sadly he's not exaggerating the silliness of the scene.

I thought it looked kind of silly. Rising up in the air and exploding into pretty lights and all that. It kind of reminded me of the scene in Shrek where Fiona 'breaks her curse with true loves first kiss'. I have to agree with Glumpuddle on this one.

Yes, in Shrek that visual transformation works. In Narnia, not so much.

I loved the idea of the undragoning, but it was way to fast. I think if they had expanded the scene a little bit and spent more time on it, it would have been awsome. I didn't feel the need for any talking. I saw the implications of it in the body language. However maybe that's because I have read the book. I don't know how clear it would have been to others. I think that if they spent more time on it, it would be more clearly conveyed.

I think they started out great, but by cutting it so short, it lost a lot of impact.

I also wish see the scales fall of Eustace or something instead of having him surrounded by that glittery stuff...I agree with GlumPuddle; that was VERY silly.

Regardless, take another quote concerning the nature of Aslan, this time from The Silver Chair: "You would not have called to me unless I had been calling to you," said the Lion.

Similarly, in his book Mere Christianity: When you come to knowing God, the initiative lies on His side. If He does not show Himself, nothing you can do will enable you to find Him.

What is Lewis saying? He's saying that we don't approach Aslan/Christ for redemption; He first approaches us. What your or I or we believe in terms of salvation and redemption is rather irrelevant in this case. Instead, in keeping with Narnian canon, we must hold to what Lewis intended to convey and not put words in his mouth (or take words away).

I think that's right. Belief, faith, all from God. God comes to us. Aslan comes to Eustace. I don't think Eustace did anything. All Eustace did was stand there while Aslan undragoned him. That is it.

I think he earned it in the film. It was what i expected.

Yes, God comes to us, through Christ Jesus. But we still have to accept his help to receive it. But even the faith to have faith, is given by God, through the Holy Spirit.

See i don't think that is right. I think faith and belief are both from God, so any acceptance that happens is only accepting what already is happening.

Okay guys, we have threads and an entire forum for arguing over the mechanics of salvation. Either address the actual topic or take it to Narnia & Christianity.

I don't think Eustace had to "earn" his undragoning. He acknowledged the circumstance he was in, had learned his lesson quite well, and had decided to live accordingly.

I was sorely disappointed with the undragoning, partially because it was way too fast. (but then again, lots of things in this film could be fixed by giving the scenes just a little more time)

I personally didn't like the scratching in the sand idea. It was creative, but the sparkly/firey thing wasn't that great. It was too magical and not as physical as it should have been.

The process of undragoning was clearly a painful process - something that Aslan had to dig deep and hard to do. As gory as it could have been, (I think they could have kept it clean and still done this,) I really wanted to see Aslan get up close with Dragon Eustace and tear at him - displaying more of that power and "non-tameness" of Aslan ( because we don't really see a lot of that in this film.), but also the fact that Aslan needed to get up close and real with him, that it wasn't a magical transformation but a physical, real breaking down of things he had let control him.

Was thinking they could have used the slow-mo visual blur effect that was used at the end of LWW when Peter was suddenly left alone after all of the rushing battlers dissolved....that sort of effect might have been good with the undragoning versus glitter and fire. Also thought it was similar to Beauty and the Beast as well.

Icarus wrote: However, i did find the whole sequence to be entirely too short and its significance felt vastly underplayed as a result.

Sadly, yes. I felt the scene COULD have worked, had it been given more time and emotional build up. Very rushed. The scene had so little significance for such a significant part! I actually liked the way that they did not have contact, not only for PG-13 ratings, It was a great effect, and had it been given more time, and Eustace tried harder before Aslan began, and showed the pain when Aslan did it, it could have worked.

At the same time, Aslan never moved closer to Eustace, which bothered me, It would have been a better build up if Eustace tried and tried, and Aslan came closer, then did it for him. The music was also disappointing, music has a huge effect on me emotionally, and I wanted to feel that during this scene.

glumPuddle wrote:This scene would be forgettable if it wasn't so bad. When I realized that Eustace was going to rise in the air and explode in light ("Beauty and the Beast" style) I literally said "no....please no....."

Exactly what I thought when I saw the scene, almost EXACTLY the same cut as beauty and the beast. A comparison i never wanted to make. Apted should have seen how that would ruin the part.

What there was an undragoning in the movie? I must have blinked and missed it...

Ha! It was the scene reminiscent of Spyro the Dragon from the Playstation games.

I think this scene captured just about everything in the undragoning scene in the book but it was just too short.