My thoughts:
*. Before the three kids are “washed” into Narnia, Lucy is seen staring at herself in a mirror. Dr. Brown believes this is a deliberate foreshadowing of Lucy’s temptation at the magician’s house, when she is sucked in by the beauty spell.
Awesome! Foreshadowing the magician’s book scene is a fantastic idea!
*. When the painting begins spewing water, Dr. Brown pointed out that in his fear, Eustace screams “Mother!” instead of calling her by her first name, as he is wont to do according to the book.
Oh well. As long as they nail Eustace, I won’t mind. It would’ve been a nice touch though.
*. When Lucy opens the magician’s book and snow begins to fall, the expression on her face is almost identical to the one she had when she first entered Narnia in LWW. A very nice touch!
That sounds like a neat idea. I wonder if the music will be similar.
*. Dr. Brown also suggested that the “blue star” the Dawn Treader is told to follow may actually be Ramandu’s daughter. If I remember correctly, in her bodily appearance to the crew later on in the trailer, Ramandu’s daughter is seen with a glowing sphere of blue light inside her body, so this connection seems very likely to me.
Ehh…okay. Not terribly upset about this, but I really hope it doesn’t come across as cheesey.
*. At one point, I think it’s the magician who says “To defeat the darkness out there, you must defeat the darkness in yourself.” This certainly happens with Lucy, doesn’t it?
Pretty cheesey line. I hope it’s only referring to Lucy and the beauty spell.
*. Dr. Brown pointed out that Reepicheep is paunchier and slightly gray. Since Reep is so concerned with personal appearance in PC, one might argue that this is a foreshadowing of his willingness to toss away his honor and dignity (in the form of his sword) at the end of the story. After all, how could a mouse concerned with dignity let himself go to seed like that? Only one who has learned a bit of humility, perhaps?
Could be, although I think they just want to show the passage of time (i.e. Caspian’s beard).
*. As reported at the earlier super trailer screening, Aslan utters his famous allusion to Christ that takes place near the end of the book. I tried very hard to write this down word-for-word, and I’m 90% sure I got it right.
Lucy: “Will you visit us in our world?”
Aslan: “In your world, I have another name. You must learn to know me by it.”
Just to compare, here is the line from the book.
Aslan: “But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name.”
As you can see, very much alike! Nearly brought a tear to my eye, it did.
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Early in their voyage, the crew will arrive at an island that is nearly deserted, because people have been disappearing from it. Gael’s parents were among those who disappeared. Apparently, finding the seven lords and seven swords will help recover the missing individuals.
Okay. This sounds like Burnt Island to me- and it makes me wonder again which islands have been cut and/or combined because all my old theories are pretty much garbage because I assumed Burnt Island would be cut. I wonder if the crew knows this before they set out, therefore being their actual objective, or if they find out during the voyage. If they find out during, Caspian’s motivations remain the same so I would prefer that. If this is the “Unfathomable Fate”, it is a lot better than I feared- at least it doesn’t involve saving the world although I would still prefer it not be there.
I wasn't particularly bothered by any of the information I learned at the screening. If you want a movie that's almost exactly like the book, you would have to film a miniseries ala A&E's 1995 adaptation of "Pride and Prejudice." Short of that, a person who's upset about any major change to the book should probably stick with the book itself.
Completely agree! I like surprises. IMO If a movie was just like the book it would be boring because I would already know what was going to happen. If I want the pure, unadulterated story in its entirety, I'll go read the book. (I could probably imagine it better than they could film it anyway. I can dream up all the cool effects without having to worry about a budget or whether it stays PG.) But I do like the surprises and I like that they have a different perspective on the story. I like seeing things in new ways as long as it doesn't get too crazy or lose the message of the book.
But, what worries me, is that I'm afraid they make it a Lucy film, which to me would be awful. Ever since I read the books as as a kid, Caspian was my favourite character, and while PC is a Pevensies book, VoDT is Caspian's story to me. It's Caspian's voyage, Caspian's test as a leader out of his land, Caspian's journey of self-discovery... Caspian's odyssey, so to speak. And so, I desperately hope it won't be turned into a Lucy story, I wouldn't bear that!
I see your point. I think, if possible, it does need to be sort of a group story. Lucy and Edmund are saying goodbye so it would be nice to have some focus on them,this is also Reeps farewell so I can see having the focus on him. Eustace and Caspian should be really important because they will be in the next film.
If there is one thing I actually hope they add to the story it's this: I want to see some sort of friendly bond between Caspian and Eustace. I want to know why Eustace feels it's his duty to help Caspian in SC and why he is so loyal to Caspian. That was something I didn't get when I read the book. I was thinking "Wow it didn't really even seem like they even really talked much in VDT." Maybe that's just me.
I would like to see more Caspian but usually when there is a ton of focus on the character that means the character has a lot of conflict going on and I would like for Caspian to be as peaceful as possible in this film because in the last one his uncle tried to kill him and then the next story is SC, really can't the guy be happy and peaceful for a bit
Yes I agree, Eustace did say "I am the King's man and loyal to him." I do want to see a friendship bond between Eustace and Caspian in VDT after he is undragonfied.
I know Caspian seems to be the only character that loses everything and never gets a break from it. I wonder how Rilian's life turned around when he was saved from underland?
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My reactions on this report are mixed, as you will see below.
"the spires in the opening shot of the super trailer are the spires of Cambridge near the home of Eustace and his parents. There are indeed lion gargoyles"
--Sounds awesome! And how uncanny. :0
"Before the three kids are “washed” into Narnia, Lucy is seen staring at herself in a mirror"
--I like how this foreshadows what happens with the Magician's Book, but somehow I feel a sort of loss for the old, innocent Lucy. I guess we can't help it though. She's growing up. (I never liked it in the book, either. I guess I want Lucy to just stay sort of a saint.)
"in his fear, Eustace screams “Mother!” instead of calling her by her first name"
--I think as long as he calls her 'Alberta' at other times, this instance will prove what a little sucker he is.
"When Lucy opens the magician’s book and snow begins to fall"
--Don't know yet what this is about, but it sounds nice. You can't really judge it until you see it in context, though.
"the “blue star” the Dawn Treader is told to follow may actually be Ramandu’s daughter. If I remember correctly, in her bodily appearance to the crew later on in the trailer, Ramandu’s daughter is seen with a glowing sphere of blue light inside her body"
--I don't think the "glowing sphere of blue light" is going to be quite the catastrophe some of you are making out. How do you know what it's going to look like until you've seen it for yourself? It could be just a blue 'aura' around her, and look quite nice. I think if Caspian ends up following the 'blue star', just to have her turn around and be Lilliandil, it will add greatly to the romantic subplot.
"it’s the magician who says “To defeat the darkness out there, you must defeat the darkness in yourself.”
--sounds nice at first glance. Second glance, it sounds like one of those traditonally cheesy lines that we hear in every movie. Third glance, I'm starting to see the deeper meaning and now I like it very much. It suggests several different plot variations. I'll elaborate on those later.
"Reepicheep is paunchier and slightly gray"
--hard to believe he could age that much in just three years, after seeing him as a youthful, spry little fellow in PC, but if Caspian can lose his accent I suppose this is possible.
"Aslan utters his famous allusion to Christ that takes place near the end of the book, “In your world, I have another name. You must learn to know me by it.”
--yes, yes, YES!! Sounds great! So glad they didn't mess it up like they did the "growing" line from Aslan in PC. Very happy.
"the filmmakers have added, in addition to the quest to find the sleepers, a quest to find seven swords."
--bleh. Heard this before, and I don't like it! Why can't they just find the seven lords? Forget the swords. Me no like.
"the crew will arrive at an island that is nearly deserted, because people have been disappearing from it. Gael’s parents were among those who disappeared. Apparently, finding the seven lords and seven swords will help recover the missing individuals."
--a disappearing island? Why couldn't they just keep in all the ones from the book, and forget these crew-invented ones? Grr. And the whole Gael subplot annoys me, even though she is awfully cute. Don't like this either.
Overall, I like some of the minor details that we've been given, but shudder at the big plot changes. Why aren't we hearing more about the scenes from the book?
Even so, I will (try to) reserve my final judgment until after I've seen the film. I'm sure I'll love it as a film, but whether or not I'll even like it as an adaptation remains to be seen.
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I do understand that Eustace will become a dragon and by the end of the story he will be a boy again. The importance is the moment when he is undragoned. He has to try and do it himself and be unable to. Aslan has to do it for him. That is salvation. That is the whole point. That is what i hate about the ridiculous line in PC 'maybe we have to prove ourselves to him'. We have nothing to offer. We can't prove ourselves worthy because we aren't.
They may have the desire to do it right, but when they don't get what is happening in a scene it is going to be a bad adaption. Maybe i should go with having no hope.
PS. Oh goodness a glowing blue star girl. Sigh.
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I do understand that Eustace will become a dragon and by the end of the story he will be a boy again. The importance is the moment when he is undragoned.
This was a point Mr Flaherty said was important and explained more to a preview audience. You can read the article here.
“Safe?” said Mr. Beaver; “don’t you hear what Mrs. Beaver tells you? Who said anything about safe? ‘Course he isn’t safe. But he’s good. He’s the King, I tell you.”
Yes i agree with decarus. I hope the undragoning scene goes that way where Eustace cannot shed all that should be shedded of his scales. It is a call to Salvation if Aslan does do it for him.
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The filmmakers are not as stupid and insensitive to the fans as you may think they are!
Not saying they are, but it also doesn't take either to make a terrible adaptation. Prince Caspian was a good example of that.
And I might also add, that Lucy looking into the mirror most likely is also just a remnant of the leaked script, where there was a whole subplot dedicated to her being concerned about her beauty, having a crush on Caspian and actually ripping out the beauty spell out of the magician's book and keeps it, as she is considering saying it so Caspian may fall in love with her.
If all those reports are telling me one thing, then it is that despite having the most glaring failures removed, the legacy of the horrors of the leaked script are living on.
At first I didn't like that there were going to be yet again lion statues, because it just felt like too much. Then I remembered the lion figure that Aslan actually uses to talk to Caspian at the end of the book. So for me, the lion statues and symbols all throughout the movies acknowledge his omnipresence. Even if that's not how they're meant to be seen, I think it's a nice touch.
‘Then rightly you game the name to the youngest of your children,’ said Ambarussa, ‘and Umbarto “the Fated” was its true form.’ –The Shibboleth of Fëanor.
And I might also add, that Lucy looking into the mirror most likely is also just a remnant of the leaked script, where there was a whole subplot dedicated to her being concerned about her beauty...
I think there is a danger with things like that, of having the prior knowledge of that script make you jump to conclusions which aren't evident from the information alone. It is the case that when the mind wants to find a connection or a pattern, it will usually seek to find one, regardless of whether or not it is actually of any significance.
Granted, there have been several times where you can see several big ideas or concepts which were not in the book, but were featured in that script, cropping up in news reports, and they are undeniably continuations from that particular draft. However in the instance of them foreshadowing Lucy being concerned about her beauty, i don't think there is a strong enough connection to logically connect it all the way through with the plot line of Lucy having a crush on Caspian as featured in that draft.
The fact that Lucy was concerned about her appearance is an idea which is in the book, so in all honesty it would only be reasonable to expect that they maybe draw out that theme across the rest of the story slightly (though obviously hopefully not to the extreme seen in that draft) - again, its all about finding the individual themes and plot lines of each individual island adventure, and finding a way to connect them to overall character arcs of the movie and the central narratives of the entire story.
Just so long as Lucy doesn't go so far as having a crush on Caspian (My goodness! Both Pevensie girls fell for Caspian! ), I think having her look into a mirror in the beginning is just tying together some loose ends in the book. Very good, in my opinion.
Okay. This sounds like Burnt Island to me- and it makes me wonder again which islands have been cut and/or combined because all my old theories are pretty much garbage because I assumed Burnt Island would be cut.
If I'm not mistaken, the only island we haven't seen any evidence of is Deathwater, right? So I wonder if that island was cut. I hope not! But I have a new theory: perhaps no island was cut at all. They may have simply all been combined together into 5 islands. I also think that expanding Burnt Island is more interesting for a movie than simply cutting it.
At first I didn't like that there were going to be yet again lion statues, because it just felt like too much. Then I remembered the lion figure that Aslan actually uses to talk to Caspian at the end of the book. So for me, the lion statues and symbols all throughout the movies acknowledge his omnipresence. Even if that's not how they're meant to be seen, I think it's a nice touch.
Excellently said! I like the lion statues appearing in England because of the sense of continuity they give!
*. Dr. Brown also suggested that the “blue star” the Dawn Treader is told to follow may actually be Ramandu’s daughter. If I remember correctly, in her bodily appearance to the crew later on in the trailer, Ramandu’s daughter is seen with a glowing sphere of blue light inside her body, so this connection seems very likely to me.
Ehh…okay. Not terribly upset about this, but I really hope it doesn’t come across as cheesey.
PS. Oh goodness a glowing blue star girl. Sigh.
Okay, I'll pose a question. Did anyone think of Arwen's glowing white appearance in FotR as cheesy? I didn't. I imagine this will be fairly similar (Maybe too similar ). But we shall see, of course.
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Okay, I'll pose a question. Did anyone think of Arwen's glowing white appearance in FotR as cheesy? I didn't. I imagine this will be fairly similar (Maybe too similar ). But we shall see, of course.
No, I didn't. If RD glows like that I'll be fine with it. However, (to me at least) "glowing sphere of blue light inside her body" does not make me think glowing like Arwen did. I'm picture it kind of like if she has a round blue light bulb inside of her.
If I'm not mistaken, the only island we haven't seen any evidence of is Deathwater, right? So I wonder if that island was cut. I hope not! But I have a new theory: perhaps no island was cut at all. They may have simply all been combined together into 5 islands. I also think that expanding Burnt Island is more interesting for a movie than simply cutting it.
Here is a link to the "Educated Guesses and Conclusions" post I did. I haven't updated it since the poster, display, and this report came out, but it has a section on the islands if you want more details. (It also has a information on a lot of things). It looks like Deathwater (or Goldwater) has been confirmed. I'm thinking that they might have combined them rather then cutting any. We don't have any hard evidence that Burnt Island hasn't been cut, but it is possible that they converted it into the "island from which people disappear." I'm also wondering if the island (I can't remember what it is called) that the Lone Islanders used for sheep might not be changed into this island that has people disappearing from it. Instead of keeping sheep they are keeping people to sell as slaves. Caspian and the other would then get caught there and find out about the slavery from the inside.
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So Tirian saw footage of Deathwater. That accounts for all the islands then, so a few of them must have just been combined with each other.
I'm also wondering if the island (I can't remember what it is called) that the Lone Islanders used for sheep might not be changed into this island that has people disappearing from it. Instead of keeping sheep they are keeping people to sell as slaves. Caspian and the other would then get caught there and find out about the slavery from the inside.
Caspian and the others get captured on Felimath, the place where sheep are kept, I believe.
However, (to me at least) "glowing sphere of blue light inside her body" does not make me think glowing like Arwen did. I'm picture it kind of like if she has a round blue light bulb inside of her.
Oh, right. OK then, it just depends on how they handle it. I suppose there may be a chance that it will look cheesy, but for now, I still don't think it sounds very bad. If she looks like she has a round blue light bulb inside of her, it just sounds more "starlike" and magical to me. And I'm all for Narnia looking magical.
Oh my... Lucy having a crush on Caspian? I hadn't heard that one before. That is a little irritating to me, as I believe it might take away from her innocence and naivety. I guess she is growing up, but Caspian?? I supposed it won't be the end of the world.
I am very pleased to learn the bit about Mr Flaherty and 'Amazing Grace'. Its a comfort to know that there is at least one sincere and devoted film maker.
I think that I agree with Lady Galadriel about the starlike appearance. It doesn't seem like she would come across as just a glowing sphere. I imagine her something like Galadriel from Lord of the Rings... glowing and elegant. ((Although I see Lilliandil's glow as blueish.)) I can't wait to see how she turns out!
And does anyone know if the trailer will come to Narniaweb on the 18th as well? ((Should I ask this somewhere else?))
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This was a point Mr Flaherty said was important and explained more to a preview audience. You can read the article here.
He says that Aslan will rip the skin off of Eustace, but they had better have Eustace try to do it himself first. That is the core of the story.
Oh my... Lucy having a crush on Caspian? I hadn't heard that one before. That is a little irritating to me, as I believe it might take away from her innocence and naivety. I guess she is growing up, but Caspian?? I supposed it won't be the end of the world.
May i agree to disagree. If Lucy crushes on Caspian that is the end of the world for the films. They have got to stop with that sort of nonsense. It was one of the worst things about PC. I really hope they don't make the same mistake again.
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