Just wondering (and its been a while since I've read LB) but do you think they'd change the villain around? Shift wasn't all that great of a villain. I love LB; it's my favorite book, but Shift was a little weird for me. And reading about a derranged ape is one thing, but seeing it on film is another. Oh, and I totally love the idea of seeing a bit more of "our world." And Susan.

Spliting LB in two would be a really bad idea, but seeing "our world" more and possibly have a glimspe of Susan somewhere is an awesome idea! I always wondered what it must've been like for the Friends of Narnia to see Tirian, and what they were doing before.

Oh, and mountain range, Shift is definitely the most noticed of the villians in that book, but there's also the Calormens, Ginger, and Tash. I think he'll be fine just the way he is, and the other villians should do well, too.

Shift was the ape pretending to be a man. That makes Shift false, a traitor and a liar. You wouldn't want to have the likes of Shift around either as a talking ape or as a human. But I do agree that he is a bit pathetic, in comparison to Rishda. Rishda Tarkaan was the true cynic, and I wouldn't mind if he started the film going through Calormen history to revisit Rabadash's attempt on Archenland (HHB).

Shift is the one who invited in the Calormenes, nonetheless. Rishda's men got into Narnia as merchants and traders and then took over, bit by bit, under Tirian's nose. By the time Cair Paravel was overthrown, there was already a substantial Calormene presence in Narnia, and Archenland had already been breached at Anvard.

So often in C.S.Lewis' work, a villain is someone who uses emotional blackmail to get his/her own way, whether it is the White Witch/Jadis, LOTGK, Uncle Andrew, or Rishda Tarkaan and Shift, who uses emotional blackmail quite a bit on Puzzle.

No I don't think we need two movies at all. The book is too short, and a film of it doesn't necessarily have to draw together info left out of earlier movies, unlike the latest Harry Potter effort, where a stray item left out of the Order of the Phoenix movie became very important indeed to DH Part 1.

I think that Susan is being dealt with in the movies as we go along. That postcard Lucy gets from Susan,at the beginning of VDT, not to mention Lucy's beauty temptation, suggests that Susan's social life is coming along nicely and will become even more absorbing later on. I suspect that by the time we get to LB, we already know that Susan is well out of the Narnian picture.

I think Shift is a very good villain. He's very easy to hate. Probably one of the few fictional bad guys I've actually hated with great passion. So, no. I think he was a great and rather disturbing villain.

Yea, he's very disturbing... I hope they make him believable. And Puzzle pretending to be Aslan.. I hope they can make THAT believable... When I was reading the books (at the age of 8 years old) I was like: What the heck is wrong with the Narnians? Who would ever believe that?

Yes, but Timo, as readers we have knowledge the Narnian characters don't. As readers, we know Puzzle is a fake Aslan. Remember they were only allowed to see 'Aslan' at a certain time at night, in very poor light, for a short period and Puzzle wasn't allowed to speak? That makes the original deception much more convincing.

I don't think the movies should be split in 2 for a story that lasts only 4 or 5 days, that would just be totally unnecessary.

I actually think that it is very important the the Battle of Stable Hill not be expanded. The small size of the Narnian Army and the Calormen Army (At the begining) actually makes the battle much more intense. Every single soldier is valuable and with every single Narnian that dies you feel Tirian's Army's chance of victory falls lower and lower. It all makes for something very emotional.

I kind of like that idea.

I'm not sure how Shift will be done without newcomers to Narnia thinking it's a little strange. Most of the population are non-human. Which I guess was done pretty well in LWW, but LB is a much darker movie (I've always imagined that it would be PG-13)

They have to do it realistically. I guess LB will be a hard book to do. Due to a non-human main villain (okay, so Jadis and the LotKG are technically witches, but they LOOK human), Aslan being the size of an elephant, having everyone thinking Puzzle is Aslan, and it just being a plain old apocalyptic fantasy.

Of course, the writers will think up stuff we couldn't begin to imagine and before you know it you'll have another decent (maybe even epic) Narnia movie.

I'm not sure how a villainous ape would be any stranger than a talking Jesus lion or a 2 foot tall mouse knight or a guy with green skin and massive limbs who is eternally depressed. It's fantasy, strange is pretty much a given.

Yes, but Timo, as readers we have knowledge the Narnian characters don't. As readers, we know Puzzle is a fake Aslan. Remember they were only allowed to see 'Aslan' at a certain time at night, in very poor light, for a short period and Puzzle wasn't allowed to speak? That makes the original deception much more convincing.

Well, I hope they work this out right in the movies (if it gets made) they can leave out the beginning, so nobody (who hasnt read the books) will know the Aslan they're seeing, is actually a donkey.

I hope they'll do it that way. Shift will probably get his role, but I think they'l make a 'silly' villain out of him, that gets used by the calormen. And we only get to see him with at the stable with fake-Aslan. The actual villains would be the calormen and Tash.

if they do make it the scene i will be most excited for is the end of narnia

I think when they turn this book into a movie it needs to be on the longer side, hopefully even as long as 2 12hrs. I just don't see the material there to turn it into two seperate movies though. The whole thing takes place in less then a week. Plus they'd have to flesh it out and add a lot, and I really don't think doing so will add anything to my enjoyment of the story.

I want to see Roonwit racing through the forest to warn king Tirian about the Battle at Cair Paravel before being shot by an arrow. That would be a cool sequence I think. I dont think LB should be two movies now that I think about it. But I do want them to expand on the destroying of Narnia. I want that to look really well done and epic. I would love to see more of Susan, and England in general. But i also agree that the battle on Stable Hill should be small with no more than 50 members on Tirian's side.

I really think having too many people in the battle at stable hill would ruin it, the book is written perfectly the way it is. Too many people would make it less hopeless and less exiting (in my opinion). I agree with you mountianrange shift is strange but they will hopefully concentrate on the Tarkan, Ginger and Tash and largely ignore Shift. It would be good to see Susan but I've no idea how they'd do it without it ending up cheesy or weird. I don't think the film should be split it would necessarily mean adding scenes and changing from the book. Just for the last film lets not do that!

Three reasons why I don't think they should split LB into two movies

1) Everyone will complain that they're copying HP again

2) Lots of people were upset over the book, so they may not want to see the end of Narnia in theaters, there's a high possiblility that they can't do part to because of budget issues

3) and for the big reason- It will aggrevate the rating problem, if you split it in the middle, then that would garentee a PG-13/ R rating for part one, because you want have the peacefulness of Aslan's Country to balance it out. Secondly this also would mean that all of the second part would not take lace in Narnia