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Brylowman
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I've been thinking that they've had a traveling scene during the credits after the shocking opener both times. What would they do during the credits this time? Lucy and Ed in the train?
That would give the possibility of opening at the Pevensie house and seeing them all getting ready to go different places. I do hope that it's not of them all mad at each other again--that's getting old. Whatever they do, I hope it gets the audience into the right feeling for the movie.

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Posted : June 10, 2010 5:13 am
Liberty Hoffman
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I've been thinking that they've had a traveling scene during the credits after the shocking opener both times. What would they do during the credits this time? Lucy and Ed in the train?

I like this idea, but wouldn't that be a bit too much like LWW? :-


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Posted : June 10, 2010 8:50 am
Glenstorm the Great
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^PC had them in a subway. I wouldn't be surpised if they had this kind of theme going for a few movies...

Posted : June 10, 2010 8:58 am
DamselJillPole
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Yes I agree with GTG. Although PC didn't start out with the train station and neither did LWW. But I keep wondering about this because both of the openings to the movies shows the purpose on what started the adventures in the first place. If Apted goes with Adamson's technique then VDT will begin with the purpose of the voyage in Narnia, then go to Lucy/Edmund meeting up with Harorld/Alberta, then our introduction to Eustace.

That's the only way how I can see it starting.


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Posted : June 10, 2010 11:22 am
Movie Aristotle
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Well, World War II is still going on. There is always the possibility of an opening with more bombings, or a war scene. I've wondered before if, instead of Peter going off to study, like in the book, they might make him go off to war instead. It would be a nice character arc from the train station in the first movie where he seems to be afraid of the idea of going to war. Hopefully they'll stay true to the book, but I've wondered about this possibility.

I honestly think they'll open the film in Narnia though, with a battle or tournament or something.

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Posted : June 12, 2010 9:13 am
MountainFireflower
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This is not likely but what if it started with Eustace and Edmund arguing over something stupid, Eustace trying to boss Edmund around because it's his house. They are yelling and Edmund says something like "Eustace Clarence Scrubb you are such a pain. You almost deserve that name of yours!" Ed storms off into Lucy's room where they admire the painting.

This idea would work, although I just love the line in its entirety... however, it's highly unlikely they'll be able to work it in without a narrator. But your idea is a good one, AslanIsOnTheMove! :)

But I keep wondering about this because both of the openings to the movies shows the purpose on what started the adventures in the first place. If Apted goes with Adamson's technique then VDT will begin with the purpose of the voyage in Narnia, then go to Lucy/Edmund meeting up with Harorld/Alberta, then our introduction to Eustace.

That's the only way how I can see it starting.

Yes, I agree. I think the purpose needs to be shown, and the only way I can see it working is if they start out in Narnia. In my opinion, that would be the best, so that it's very clear what the purpose of the adventure is, and Caspian doesn't have to do a huge, long explanation once Lucy, Ed, & Eustace arrive. Plus, since VDT doesn't take place exclusively in Narnia but rather on the sea, I think the more screen time Narnia gets, the better. I think starting in Narnia will definitely pull the audience in.

I've wondered before if, instead of Peter going off to study, like in the book, they might make him go off to war instead. It would be a nice character arc from the train station in the first movie where he seems to be afraid of the idea of going to war. Hopefully they'll stay true to the book, but I've wondered about this possibility.

I think this is a possibility, although I'm not sure whether I'd like it to happen or not. It would be an interesting twist and a rather nice character arc, but I wonder how much it would impact the storyline.

In my opinion, I really would like the movie to start in Narnia, regardless of whether it's a shocking opening or not.

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Posted : June 12, 2010 9:25 am
Lady Galadriel
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Well, World War II is still going on. There is always the possibility of an opening with more bombings, or a war scene. I've wondered before if, instead of Peter going off to study, like in the book, they might make him go off to war instead. It would be a nice character arc from the train station in the first movie where he seems to be afraid of the idea of going to war. Hopefully they'll stay true to the book, but I've wondered about this possibility.

That's a very interesting thought. But if they made him go off to war, we'd want to know what would happen to him, so there would have to be a closing scene at the end or something, I imagine. I also think that another bombing scene would be too repetitive of LWW, even though they seem to be trying to mirror LWW's magic. Also, on the movie poster, Peter's wearing a suit, not a war outfit.

But even if Peter doesn't go off to war, I was reading in the "VDT Extras Casting" thread that there are quite a few soldiers, and even a nurse saying goodbye to one. You must be right that there will be at least a few scenes pertaining to World War II.

I honestly think they'll open the film in Narnia though, with a battle or tournament or something.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had something with Galma! Or what was it....the island where Caspian had to fight someone, and the Duke of Galma wanted him to marry his daughter. (Must've been Galma. ;) )

Posted : June 12, 2010 10:57 am
DamselJillPole
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That would be very interesting, Lady Galadriel :)

I can actually see something like that in the beginning of Caspian telling the Duke his mission and then having to be in some tournament to win the Duke of Galma's daughters hand. It would be a shocking introduction. ;)


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Posted : June 12, 2010 11:04 am
Kotarki
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I had said something about this in that topic I started those months ago, and I think what would be a really cool opening would be for the really epic splashing of waves against the edge of a ship. The music would be booming and everyone expects that the ship is the Dawn Treader from the trailers. However, it pulls out to show that it's simply an English Ocean liner coming in to dock to pick up Susan for America or any of the other Penvesies besides Ed or Lucy. The music cuts back drastically to a more ordinary but optimistic tone. The basic eplanation of what's going on and Peter is shown to have really come into his own and been able to mature outside of Narnia. Finally as they load the boat and head out there is the customary fairwell and everything is very cheerful as the title logo is shown. Everything takes a much more dull color and tone as they ride over to the Scrubbs in order to reflect dull stuck up life of Eustace.

Posted : June 12, 2010 12:35 pm
Liberty Hoffman
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^^ that is an AWESOME idea!!!!! that would be so awesome! I can picture that! wow!


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Born in the water
Take quick to the trees
I want all that You are

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Posted : June 12, 2010 1:08 pm
MountainFireflower
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^^ Ditto, Liberty! As I was reading Kotarki's idea, the scene perfectly unfolded in my mind. I love it! :D

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Posted : June 12, 2010 5:57 pm
DamselJillPole
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That sounds very good kotarki! It sounds very orignal and would be a very good shock thinking it's the DT but it's not. You should write movie scripts ;)


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Posted : June 12, 2010 6:02 pm
ChristProclamer
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I do like the idea of a 'shocker' opening, but not to excite the audience or slap people (read: fans) in the face.

Adamson said one of the reasons for LWW's Blitz opening was to pull people away from the film they expected. They go in expecting a fairy story about witches and lions and child-heroes, overall a very generic fantasy film. Then they see this bombing sequence and they realize, 'Oh, this isn't just another fantasy film.' One doesn't find characters from any fairy tale struggling in the midst of World War II London, and they can relate. Their expectation has shifted to anticipation.

In PC, they used the generic fantasy opening, which started as a shocker but turned out not to be...and the film pretty much followed the expected line.

I hope in VoDT, they use a British opening, (preferably with Eustace, because he is so NOT Narnian; the most un-Narnian thing we see in the Chronicles) because it would pull them away from what they saw in the trailer, make them think again, and then plunge them back into the adventure they've come to see.

Posted : June 15, 2010 10:33 am
KingofKings'Daughter
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Looks like I'm in the minority. I do not want a shocking opening. The first two had shocking openings and it really affected the overall pacing, especially PC. After that initial shock, the story slowed down and there was very little to hold the audience's attention for several minutes after the opening sequence. The audience's attention does not need to be grabbed instantaneously; it should be steadily drawn in. And I don't want the opening to be in Narnia. VDT needs more time in England to explain why the Pevensies are split up and where each one is. Eustace needs some time to establish his bratty nature before entering Narnia as well. That being said, I do like Brylowoman's idea of introducing Eustace by having him pin a bug; I don't think it would work as the opening, but it would work nicely for his character's introduction.

I agree with you daughter of the King. :D I think that's what kind of killed the people's attention throughout both films (especially PC for me.) When it comes to shocking openings, I expect the whole film to be filled with suspense but when it slows down a bit...I'm like what? :- But then since the previous movies started with shocking openings I don't think it would hurt to start VoDT the same way. To me it's a characteristic of the Narnia films in a way.

And Eustace's entrance....I can't wait!!! New character coming through!!! :p

Posted : June 16, 2010 8:32 am
DamselJillPole
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To be honest when I first saw LWW with my friend and the surprise opening made me turn and say "We're in the wrong stadium." but then I saw Edmund at the window and heard familiar names from the mother. Yes it was shocking, but I'll admit that I enjoyed it a lot! ;) The fact that with PC's shocking opening was that it was gross and really was not needed for a proper Disney film to open with. I would have rather it opened with Miraz or Caspian.

A shocking opening can still work for VDT if done right. :)


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Posted : June 16, 2010 9:29 am
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