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waggawerewolf27
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I agree with coracle. Also in the book I don't remember the kids picking on Jill because of her surname being 'Pole' meaning lengthy, which slipped into the BBC series. I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I read the book. However I do see her as being 5'1-5'3. About Susan's height in LWW.

The surname "Pole" needn't refer to 'lengthy', which was the BBC interpretation of the surname. Pole is a legitimate English surname, perhaps related to the De La Pole family, some of whom could have been surviving relatives of the ancient Plantagenet dynasty which died out with Richard III.

However, in WW2, there were masses of refugees from Europe, who fled to UK, from the German Advance. Among them were many Polish and other soldiers who fought bravely on the British side to defeat the Nazis. I'm afraid that, as down here, they didn't get treated any better for that reason, and so, to fit in better, they may have well anglicized their surnames, as they did here, also. I've often wondered if Jill Pole's surname was C.S.Lewis' way of including UK's guests, and if the bullying and the BBC emphasis on her surname was also a bit of xenophobia shown by childish bullies who suspected her origins.

Posted : November 4, 2013 4:52 pm
Glumpuddle
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A number of sites reporting the movie announcement say that Eustace is the main character. I'm a bit worried this will end up happening actually. The book, I think, is all about Jill learning to trust again. Just posted a video about my concerns:

Jill is my favorite character in the Chronicles.

Love Jill! Definitely one of my favorite characters. Of the seven friends of Narnia, I think it's a toss-up between her and Lucy as my favorite.


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Posted : November 9, 2013 4:00 am
fantasia
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A number of sites reporting the movie announcement say that Eustace is the main character. I'm a bit worried this will end up happening actually.

Of the many things I'm worried about with this movie, this is somewhere near the bottom of the pile. I chock it up to people not having read the book and have no idea what they're talking about OR that they knew their readers would recognize Eustace from the VDT movie so they simply referenced him as a carry-over.
We live in a 'movies-must-have-a-kick-butt-female' age. I think it's more likely that Jill will be made too macho (ie Susan) and override Eustace, than be shoved into the background.

Posted : November 9, 2013 5:13 am
Glumpuddle
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I chock it up to people not having read the book and have no idea what they're talking about OR that they knew their readers would recognize Eustace from the VDT movie so they simply referenced him as a carry-over.

Well yeah. :p But it is something I have been worried about for quite a while. I can see the filmmakers wanting to focus more on a familiar character. Or maybe not really having a single clearly-defined main character like the first three films.

I think this is one of my top concerns: Will Jill Pole be the focus of the movie?


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Posted : November 9, 2013 7:43 am
Reepicheep775
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I agree that Jill Pole is the main character in SC. Eustace's journey happened in VDT, but SC is Jill's journey, Eustace being more in the background.

I would also be upset if the film-makers made Jill "kick-butt". In the book, Jill is insecure and turning her into a "warrior princess" would not be good. That said, I actually wouldn't mind if Jill fights in the battle against in the Lady of the Green Kirtle in serpent form (in the book, Jill is watching, trying not to "faint - or blub - or do anything idiotic"), simply because of its placement in the story. At that point (near the end of the book), Jill should be more confident than she had been earlier in the story and it could be a good character moment if done well. I'm not saying I want them to do this, but I wouldn't mind if they did.

*goes to watch glumPuddle's video*

Posted : November 9, 2013 9:35 am
DamselJillPole
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I agree that Jill Pole is and should be the main protagonist and also what Reepicheep775 said.

I know Andrew Adamson when he was directing these movies he really wanted to put Susan to use of the gifts that Father Christmas gave her. Susan never really fought in the books however in the films she's all over the place like a male Legolas, it took a while for me to see the point of that and I agreed that since she was given them she should put them to use.

But with Jill Pole I agree to not make her "Kick-butt" until The Last Battle in my opinion however I am wanting to see a character change in her towards the end of the movie but not fighting like Susan.


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Posted : November 13, 2013 7:18 am
coracle
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This is a story about both children, and although we see it more through Jill's eyes, the film must show their improving interaction and growing respect and friendship.
Since we have already got to know Eustace in VDT, and have seen his major development, we will expect to see more about Jill and her learning experiences in SC, but this doesn't make the book about her, and it would be a mistake to make the film focus on her.

The last section of the book, with the four friends escaping together, is going to make a strong part of the film.
Perhaps we can say that the filming starts in a small space where Jill is hiding and crying, and opens out to show a larger and larger view.

There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."

Posted : November 13, 2013 9:47 pm
jewel
(@jewel)
NarniaWeb Nut

The Silver Chair will hopefully be coming within the next 4 years. I've heard about auditions for an actress to Jill. Any good ideas for a recommendation, even if it's yourself? :D

Posted : March 21, 2014 3:59 am
King_Erlian
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NarniaWeb Guru

Caitlin Blackwood, who played the young Amelia Pond in "Doctor Who". I think she's about 11 or 12 now.

Posted : March 21, 2014 5:14 am
Reepi
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NarniaWeb Nut

If they are going with Will Poulter again (which I hope, since recasting a character from one movie to the next is a bad idea - and Poulter is a brilliant actor), then they might want to go with an actress which is similar to his height. Given that Poulter has grown considerably in the last few years, how about a female lead who is also a little older?

Emma Watson, anyone?

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Posted : March 30, 2014 1:05 am
King_Erlian
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NarniaWeb Guru

If you cast Will Poulter and Emma Watson, you'd have to change the story quite a bit - there's no way that they can pass for schoolchildren now. University students, maybe. ;)

Posted : March 30, 2014 11:08 pm
You Will Find Me Bigger
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NarniaWeb Regular

I agree... they are adults now and would look ridiculous as school children. Besides, I'm quite sure Ms. Watson has no desire to return to a school girl role... she's had enough of a mountain to climb not to be typecast, and to get adult roles!

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Posted : April 1, 2014 5:41 pm
PhelanVelvel
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NarniaWeb Nut

We live in a 'movies-must-have-a-kick-butt-female' age. I think it's more likely that Jill will be made too macho (ie Susan) and override Eustace, than be shoved into the background.

Too macho?! I thought she was very delicate and lady-like even whilst she was fighting, lol. :P What can I say, I like my heroines kicking butt!

Posted : April 13, 2014 7:05 pm
jewel
(@jewel)
NarniaWeb Nut

Phelan Velvel, I like Jill Pole pretty good to.

Posted : May 7, 2014 8:50 am
PhelanVelvel
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NarniaWeb Nut

Phelan Velvel, I like Jill Pole pretty good to.

Yup, I can't wait to see how they portray her in the film! I always thought it was so cool how she calms the horses, then rides Snowflake while the Prince rides Coalblack. I'm sure that will make for some cinematic shots.

Posted : May 7, 2014 4:33 pm
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