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Bookwyrm
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So anyone get to see The God Complex yet?

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I thought this was a very solid, very enjoyable episode. It wasn't quite as creepy as the trailer made it appear, but that room full of ventriloquist dummies all acting on their own was pure nightmare fuel.

I really wish Rita had survived. I wouldn't have minded her being a companion, even if only temporarily. And I thought for sure that Rory's snarky line about notifying the next of kin meant that Rita was going to survive.

Anyone else get a The Shining vibe off of the setting of this episode? It had that similar feel, old hotel, creepy events, monsters, etc. Loved it. Very atmospheric and well shot.

Opinions on what was in the Doctor's room? I vote the Valeyard.

If I were unspoiled as to whether or not Karen and Arthur were signed on for next season, the final bit with the Doctor leaving Amy and Rory might have actually had an impact on me. But knowing they'll be back next series made the scene a bit irritating for me; it felt like they were trying to wring some cheap drama out of a fake-out goodbye.

Posted : September 19, 2011 8:37 am
Tarkheena
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My thoughts on The God Complex:

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I really enjoyed this episode. The emotion and chracters of this show just keep getting better! :) The scene when he convinces Amy to stop believing in him was very powerful, although not so much as Rory's dilemma at the end of Girl Who Waited.

Also, you could see the Doctor seriously considering his death, so I think this was quite valuable to the season plot.

Thoughts on the Doctor's room: I vote that he saw all the people who have died because of him: his species, past companions, even good people that he may only have known for a few minutes. I truly think he's terrified of facing that. That's part of the reason he keeps running.

About the goodbye at the end .... Bookwyrm, do we know for sure that Karen and Arthur are signed for the whole seventh season? Cuz if they only make a few cameo appearances, this is still a genuine goodbye. If not, then I agree with you. The emotion was rather pointless.

Why do you guys think Rory didn't have a room? Does he not have faith in anything? Or is there literally nothing that scares him anymore? (I find that hard to believe; everyone is scared of something.)

And, speaking of faith, what does the Doctor believe in? When Amy asked him what Timelords pray to, I had a flashback to The Satan Pit. Back then, he believed in Rose more than anything else. Now, though? :-

What do you guys think? :)


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Posted : September 19, 2011 10:31 am
stateofgreen
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So anyone get to see The God Complex yet?

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I really wish Rita had survived. I would have minded her being a companion, even if only temporarily. And I thought for sure that Rory's snarky line about notifying the next of kin meant that Rita was going to survive.

Opinions on what was in the Doctor's room? I vote the Valeyard.

I agree about Rita....

What do you guys think? :)

I think that Rory almost [spoiler=]had a room....when he started talking about next of kin notification...and seemed to stop himself in time when he looked at Amy LOL.....maybe he controlled his thoughts enough so that a room wasn't accidentallly created for him....he and Amy have certainly suffered enough already without them dying again in this episode! ;)

I do not think the Doctor believes in anything or anyone....which just emphasizes his being a sad and lonely character...

The ending goodbye with Rory and Amy would have had more oomph if there had been enough development in the other episodes to lead up to it...plus the fact the episode's true meaning can only be seen in the sum of the parts of this series is a drawback....we know Rory and Amy will pop up again before Series 6 is over.

I miss the plain standalone adventures of Doctors 9 and 10 and episodes when the Doctor just accidentally lands on a planet and the adventure isn't engulfed by the overall series arc. I also still do not like [-( the idea that Rory and Amy never got to raise Melody/River as a baby....and they seem to be weirdly okay with that /:) so it's soured some of this series for me.[/spoiler]


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Posted : September 19, 2011 9:41 pm
Bother Eustace
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A Doctor Who SF? How did I miss this? I've been absent from NW for far too long! :D I am a huge Whovian, despite the fact that I'm American. I only started watching the show toward the end of Series 4, but I loved it so much I quickly went back and watched all of the previous episodes to air since the show was rebooted in 05. At first I was the only person who I knew (other than on the internet) who watched the show, but I've been amazed at how many Whovians I've met (or found out were always fans) since then. I may be partly responsible for hooking a few people too. :p

So far I've really enjoyed Series 6, though I'm quite a bit behind... the last episode I saw was Night Terrors. So I'm avoiding all those spoiler boxes above, ha ha.


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Posted : September 20, 2011 3:53 am
outlier
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Ok, this weekend, I got all caught up with season 6 up to "Let's Kill Hitler" and hopefully this coming weekend my friend will be nice enough to let me go back to her house again and watch the other episodes

I drafted a spoiler post on what I've seen so far of the season, but looking back now lots of it would just be repeating what's already been said, so just a couple (mainly) question and (a few short) comments:

- Impossible Astronaut and Day on the Moon:

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the Doctor dies in 2011, and I know there was a small discussion on weather he's actually dead and all of Amy's past timelines related to it, but what about River? If she knows future regenerations of the Doctor, then wouldn't she know that he's dead? Oooohmph, too much wibbly wobbly on that one

- I agree with starkat, there's not enough strange off-world adventures!
- Just a random question:
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what actually happened with Amy/Rory/River's last names? When they got married in the season 5 finale the Doctor insists that Rory is the new Mr. Pond which is not really normal and then it's never really mentioned who took who's last names. I know that River/Mel takes the last name Pond cuz that's where you get River, but I'm still kinda confused on Amy and Rory

- Good Man Goes to War:
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firstly I thought that this episode was really good in the Doctor Who sense of introducing other supporting characters you get attached to, and then leaving them at the end of the episode. As for the Doctor Drafting a war, depending on who was in the army, I was oddly ok with it as a "can you help me as I once helped you?" kind of thing, but with lots of the characters there I couldn't really picture that scenario (mainly because with the Sontaran and the Silurians I couldn't really imagine a story line). And this might be me being nit-picky, but I don't really see the Judoon as friends or enemies of the Doctor

I know I had more to say than that, but it got swallowed by a crack, and I'll re-post it when the universe reboots :p ;))


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Posted : September 20, 2011 5:45 am
Bookwyrm
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I think still think it was the Ganger!Doctor that died at Lake Silencio. I just can't see them introducing a perfect duplica of the Doctor in the same season as the Doctor's apparent death and not having the two plot points be connected.

Valeyard:

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Basically he is an evil future Doctor. At least that's the short version of what he is.

Karen and Arthur:

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They're both signed on for the whole season, as is Matt. This makes them the longest running companions in the NuWho. Not sure about Original Flavor Who.

Posted : September 20, 2011 6:03 am
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"The God Complex" -

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Ditto many of the comments already made. It seems a little ironic that right after I post a comment to the effect that I want a "happily ever after" for Amy and Rory that the Doctor dumps them off at home. ;)) But I'm not sure how that'll play out given their remaining contracts.

Some other thoughts prompted by spoilered comments from starkat and stateofgreen:

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I'm torn between this arc-heavy series and the more stand-alone episodes done previously. If done well, I really like long arcs -as in LOST or 24 - though it does make it harder for new fans to get into the show.

And though these episodes are well-written, I also miss the time-travel/interaction with past figures. I was reminded of this earlier today when I watched the rerun of "The Unicorn and the Wasp," in which the Tenth Doctor and Donna visit Agatha Christie in 1920s London. It's a murder mystery ("Professor Peach in the library with a lead pipe" ;)) ), but it often manages to remain rather light-hearted ("The butler didn't do it!"; the Doctor's charades game when he's trying to rid himself of the cyanide) - and it offers them some real interaction with Christie as she and the Doctor together solve the mystery.

So I'd also like more of these historical ones...but in this arc-heavy season they might come across too much as fillers or one-offs (but I'm not sure that would be a bad thing, as long as they're well-written). [/ramble]

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Posted : September 20, 2011 8:49 am
stateofgreen
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I loved The Unicorn and the Wasp! Hilarious and good use of a historical figure in my book. My hope for Series 7 is that now they have most of the stuff wrapped up (hopefully) with Rory and Amy that they now seriously just have to write more historical or one-off adventures before Matt Smith leaves. There's story gold to be mined with him and they aren't taking full advantage of it.... 8-|

And if they just tried to make next series not have the same huge arc that can only be understood with having all of the episodes together that would be a great load off of my mind. I practically have to draw a chart to understand all of the timelines... 8-}


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Posted : September 20, 2011 12:29 pm
Tarkheena
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Yeah, I agree with stateofgreen. Much as I love the long story-arch, I miss the fun episodes with known historical figures. The ones with Winston Churchill, Agatha Christie and Van Gogh were great. :D

They could've done so much with the whole Hitler thing, too! After all, in real life nobody ever found his body .... that's just rife with implications of a meddling Doctor .... ;)

Mmmm ... so Karen and Arthur

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are both signed on for the whole seventh season? That does kinda kill the emotional farewell. :( The Doctor seemed pretty adamant about saving their lives, though. I wonder how the writers will bring them back without completely invalidating his concern for their safety. :- I think that'll be either one of those really good or really bad things.

Edit: I almost forgot the reason for this post. I was gonna ask you guys - if they do start doing more historical episodes, what people from the past would you like to see? I think a story with Einstein would be soooo fun. ;)) Just think of all the possible one-liners!


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Posted : September 20, 2011 1:10 pm
Bookwyrm
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I'd love to see the Doctor interact with more authors. H. P. Lovecraft would probably be my top pick. Do a proper scary episode, hint that there's some truth to the things that he wrote about and he found out about them because of the Doctor. That would be awesome. :D

Posted : September 20, 2011 3:16 pm
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Authors make great choices - Lovecraft could really be a scary episode.

How about a sci-fi writer like Arthur C. Clarke or Isaac Asimov?

Star Trek: The Next Generation had a guest appearance from physicist Stephen Hawking (and he's appeared on several other TV shows). I'd love to see him talk quantum mechanics with the Doctor. ;))

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Posted : September 20, 2011 4:59 pm
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The Girl Who Waited was quite good but could've been even better with just a little more work. The genesis of the idea was very good, the character drama was powerful but I felt there could've been a bit more story to it. I found the fighting scenes silly and boring. I don't think the close-ups during the fight helped. I have a thing for Amy so I didn't like

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Old Amy's appearance
. I know that makes me sound superficial, I just think Karen would be better looking when she's that age. Still, some quality character development and some very fine acting from Karen. Finally, another dark turn for the Doctor. He is an evil, evil Time Lord.

The next episode looks creepy. Should be good!

I don't think there's a need to add more historical episodes, they overused them in the classic series. But I would love to see the Doctor meet H.P. Lovecraft (yes, Bookwyrm, that would be a super scary episode) and meeting Isaac Asimov would also be pretty good (good call, Stargazer).

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Posted : September 21, 2011 2:55 am
outlier
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The Girl Who Waited: Wow. What a sweet episode, I loved all the Amy-Rory dialogue ...I agree W4J that

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Amy at that age would probably look better than she did, but the way it turned out would probably be the only way I would believe that she had waited there all that time.

I agree about Rita....... so much for feeling clever :p


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Posted : September 21, 2011 8:24 pm
Ithilwen
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Wow, I just heard The Doctor will be going to

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NARNIA
in the Christmas Special!!! :-o :-o That is so amazing. I can't wait. :D

How appropriate for us, being fans of both! :D :D

I just hope they

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don't say anything insulting to the Christian themes in it.

~Riella =:)

Posted : September 21, 2011 11:51 pm
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Wow. Really? That sounds amazing. I hope it's true.

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Posted : September 21, 2011 11:57 pm
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