In the scene in the cabin, there was a line Sawyer delivered - and his face looked like he was stifling a laugh.
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where he says "I guess I should probably get some pants."
He's so funny - but also looking tired this season. I noticed they've let him keep his shirt on so far and from what I've heard about how much he's hated having it off so much, he probably appreciates that.
That is part of the beauty of all literature. You discover that your longings are universal longings, that you're not lonely and isolated from anyone. You belong. ~ F.Scott Fitzgerald
Posted : February 17, 2010 8:14 am
LOST never fails to hint at answers, then give more questions, then bring up even older questions...then fade to black- in under an hour. Pfft! 
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As Flocke was reading the names that weren't crossed off to James, did anyone else notice the numbers assigned to them? In order: 4 - Locke, 8 - Reyes, 15 - Ford, 16 - Jarrah, 23 - Shephard, 42 - Kwon.
I thought that was so unfair but really clever. Now I'm back to wanting to know what the numbers mean. 
"Jacob had a thing for numbers."
My questions from this episode: Is this Jacob's main list? Why are those characters numbered so special? Why wasn't Kate's name mentioned?
My thought was that the boy meant Flocke wasn't allowed to kill James (since Richard had told him that's what Flocke intended to do), assuming that killing people on that list of names is against the rules.
Although, since John is already dead...my brain wasn't built for this. 
Posted : February 17, 2010 8:31 am
This indepth recap of last night's episode is pretty wonderful:
I will warn you though that it does contain some swearing, so viewer discretion is advised 
For those of you who wish to not read it, here's a few key points:
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"Lost fans know by now how prevalent religious symbolism, scripture, and mythology are to whatever the hell is going on with the Island. In the Book of Genesis, Jacob (Esau's twin) had a dream about this ladder that leads to heaven, with angels climbing up and down it. Some philosophers have interpreted the angels as representative of souls ascending from and descending to bodies (reincarnation!), while the Torah has this commentary..."Only the fourth angel, which represented the final exile of Rome/Edom (whose guardian angel was Esau himself), kept climbing higher and higher into the clouds. Jacob feared that his children would never be free of Esau's domination, but God assured him that at the End of Days, Edom too would come falling down."...So MIB/Smokey is totally Esau, right? Also, who is the fourth angel? Could it be Locke, who was assigned the #4? Additionally, in Christianity, Jacob's Ladder has apocalyptic ties as the narrative was used shortly after the Destruction of the Temple, and interprets the experience of…Patriarchs! Essentially, Jacob's Ladder is a bridge between heaven and earth, aka purgatory. I know that the producers said early on that the Island was not purgatory, but they also said that time travel wasn't involved either. Hang in there, Sawyer."
My mind is reeling just trying to catch up 
"Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring." Marilyn Monroe
Posted : February 17, 2010 3:41 pm
Actually someone made the connection that the Island
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is Sheol, an "in between" place where the souls would "wait" to be judged and then either sent to heaven or to hell. This is different than purgatory where there has already been a judgment made. And Jacob's Ladder is a bridge, but not purgatory, but Sheol.
Also it has been speculated that the MIB is the Angel of Judgment while Jacob is the Angel of Mercy. This is why MIB wanted to get rid of Jacob, so he could punish those he judged as being "corrupt." Basically he wants to kill them all because he thinks they deserve to be punished. But if Jacob is the Angel of Mercy, then Jacob would stop him. This follows along with the scene where Jacob and the MIB are sitting on the shore watching the ship come in and MIB talks about how "it always ends the same. They always come to corrupt, kill, and destroy" (paraphrase there). Therefore he's already passed judgment on them and feels they need to be punished (aka killed). But Jacob has been doling out mercy to them all, giving them second chances, etc. As we kind of saw when he visited each of the "candidates."
As always, just a theory. We won't know what's really going on until the end. Only 13 more episodes! And interesting note: the next episode to air will be the 108th episode of the series.
P.S."Brooklyn!"
Posted : February 17, 2010 4:50 pm
We just had What Kate Does (ep. 3) last night.
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said.
Kate's not my favourite character but I don't have the passionate hatred for her that many do (her love triangles moments do get tiring quickly though). I thought this episode was far from the worst episode of LOST. It was slow-paced but actually quite decent. It was definitely more character-centric than mythology-centric.
Rising_Star, there are actually 14 episodes to go in the US (a total of 18 this season).
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Doctor Who - Season 11
Posted : February 17, 2010 7:39 pm
Glad you liked the episode Warrior 4 Jesus, your going to LOVE the next one! 
The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis
Posted : February 17, 2010 8:28 pm
Yes, I'm sure I will. With a title like The Substitute it's sure to be 'Locke'-centric or something. Sawyer might even join 'him'.
Belated theory/thoughts on Season 5, episode 11 - Whatever Happened, Happened
Read the first paragraph and then the second and third, or just watch the video of the scene carefully and read the second and third paragraphs.
The year is 2007, Kate and Aaron are wandering around a grocery store looking to buy milk. Her mobile phone rings - caller ID indicates it's Jack. She ignores the call but is distracted for a moment and temporarily loses Aaron. As she frantically rushes around the shop looking for him, she sees a woman holding the hand of a boy and making for the exit. From behind the boy looks like Aaron. Kate reunites with Aaron and chides the woman. She has a slightly creepy 'aura' about her but is apologetic and frazzled when she finds out she is talking to the boy's 'mum'. It took me too long to realise this but the older woman looks remarkably like Aaron's real mum, Claire (if she were 20 years older or so). Or rather a combination of Claire and her mum, Carol Littleton.
Crazy theory - could future Claire have returned to claim her son but because of the supposed (I'm no further than Season 6, ep.3 in Australia) not know consciously what she was doing? Maybe she was even collecting him to take to the Island for Christian to deal with? That's a bit of a stretch but an interesting idea nonetheless. More likely it's Kate's guilty conscience at play. We're seeing all of this from Kate's perspective. She wants to be Aaron's mum because she needs him, but she knows she (more or less) stole Aaron from Claire. So the woman she sees with Aaron in the grocery store looks like Claire, has to look like her, because Kate's guilt and horror is overriding all sensible logic and perhaps superimposing familiar faces over particular strangers.
Even crazier theory - (Vozzek69 from DarkUFO). Aaron doesn't even exist in the Oceanic 6 timeline! He gives us evidence that no-one seems to look like they've seen her with a child, they see her as a highly-stressed, perhaps, crazy woman.
My thoughts on this is that it's possible but it's more likely that Kate's guilty conscience has come into play. Aaron is not her son and she has never been one to be trusted by people, so when 'her' son goes missing, she sees the situation differently to what is going on. In her eyes maybe people aren't helping her because Aaron isn't her son and she knows it.
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Posted : February 17, 2010 10:33 pm
Yesssss!!! I was wrong , I thought they were going to skip Lost for a few weeks after this episode, but you were right Warrior 4 Jesus they aren’t skipping! Anyways. I LOVED tonight’s episode! Once again I can't wait for next week I have a feeling it is going to be a really, really good episode! 
The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis
Posted : February 23, 2010 4:04 pm
Ah, good to hear mate.
I'm looking forward to tonight's episode - 'The Substitute.'
Currently watching:
Doctor Who - Season 11
Posted : February 23, 2010 4:42 pm
Thoughts on tonight's episode:
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So, I agree with Jack--I don't think he would make a good father. But at least he knows that, and his speech by the bicycle stands was pretty great !
!Question
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Who is the mother of David? I'm guessing NOT Sarah, if it was someone non-spoilerly and not a big deal it would have been revealed. If it's someone we already know, I'm going to go with Juliet--David has really blue eyes, and doesn't Juliet have blue eyes?
Connections to Narnia...
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When Hurley said "maybe we weren't looking for it" (in reference to the lighthouse) it reminded me of something Lucy said (ok maybe she didn't say exactly that but it seemed similair).
Also...when Jacob meets Hurley and is a bit peeved that he didn't bring Jack with him when Jacob had asked him to make sure Jack was there...I'm thinking "this sounds really familair..OH" Um, White Witch and Edmund anyone?? To further that thought, Jacob = white...hmm
Also...when Jacob meets Hurley and is a bit peeved that he didn't bring Jack with him when Jacob had asked him to make sure Jack was there...I'm thinking "this sounds really familair..OH" Um, White Witch and Edmund anyone?? To further that thought, Jacob = white...hmm
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I think Claire was pretty awesome in this episode! I think she did the right thing to kill that dude, although perhaps she could have chosen a less painful way O_O. I mean, if you think about it...once she untied him, he would have attacked her (he'd been begging Jin before to untie him so he could "break her neck"), if she had fended him off, he would have run back to the temple and told the others where she was, I SERIOUSLY doubt he'd keep her secret. So no, I don't think she did wrong in killing him. I'm not sure if she's quite "insane" or not or just kinda crazy from living by herself for so long...Actually, wait---when she said "I'm still your friend, right?" to Jin, it sounded very...baby-ish, not something a grown woman might say. So maybe I am leaning toward the slightly crazy side=. However, I'm assuming she didn't take the poison pill and while she's certainly way rougher and tougher then when we last saw her, she doesn't seem *evil*.
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I really think it's not so much about black vs. white aka good vs. evil, but more about choices vs. being made to do something. So maybe Jacob is the "making people do things" side---aka effecting everyone's lives--and that the alternate reality is showing how it would have been if he hadn't affected them. And Smokey is about the choices...maybe...hm.
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Was the whole point of Hurley's trip to the lighthouse just to get Jack to break the mirror? It could be, as Hurley wonders, to let Jack see what was in the mirror/the names/numbers. Or Jacob could *not* want whoever it was to return, and since Jack smashed the mirror whoever it was can't come back thru that.
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I'm really starting to dislike Jacob. He keeps using all these big words, and nothing makes sense at all. I don't really feel like he's doing these people any good, either. I think Hurley might be clueing into that fact too.
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UGH! I wish everyone would be better at communicating on this show, honestly! If Jin had just explained about Aaron to Claire...I don't think she would have hurt him when he explained *why* Kate had taken Aaron. By him just saying "Kate is raising Aaron" it makes it sound like she stole him from Claire, when really she had to take him cause Claire disappeared! UGH! I really
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Hmmm well okay maybe she would hurt him...at least, she says she would kill Kate. I still don't think she'd be quite as angry if Jin at least explained things better!And about her "friend". She knows he's not John--how? Who does she think he is? ahhhh so many questions!!!
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The eleventh post in this thread is verrrrry interesting, and makes a lot of sense!
http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=85106
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Jacob says "something bad is coming" (to the temple). Well we know that Claire is now heading off to the temple to find Aaron...but Flocke will probably be going with her!
EDIT:
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Names on the wall vs. Names on the wheel...which belongs to which? I'm leaning towards Wall = Jacob, Wheel = Flocke. Because of the whole "jacob's ladder" thing, and because Flocke took Sawyer to Jacob's hideout...I thought the whole thing seemed kinda sneaky. And Flocke threw the white rock away. From watching that scene last week I just assumed it was Jacob's cave. I like the idea of Jacob and Flocke going to the other's "spot" and trying to sabatoge it or something...Not to mention Jacob sure didn't seem too upset when the mirror was broken by Jack. To add to what I was saying before about that, maybe he wanted Jack to break the mirror because Flocke was using it for something....hmm
Someone on lost-forum.com had a brainwave! I'm quoting there (short) post here (by ScottyV89)
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"The numbers: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, obviously add up to 108. 108 is the number that ended up meaning nothing in this episode. The numbers mean nothing. Wrapping it up nice and clean."
"Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring." Marilyn Monroe
Posted : February 23, 2010 5:28 pm
Interesting thoughts on "Whatever Happened, Happened," Warrior. I was rather surprised to see how much that woman in the supermarket looked like Claire. I originally guessed that it could have been coincidence, or it could have been Kate's guilty conscience projecting Aaron's true mother's appearance on a stranger. In any case, I figured it was the last little push she needed to do what seemed to be the right thing at the time - give custody of Aaron to a blood relative and return to the island to seek out his mother. (And if indeed it somehow was Claire or someone related to her, that person's intent may have been to force Kate to make this same move, since "all things happen for a reason.")
I've finally had a chance to view both "The Substitute" and last night's new episode, "Lighthouse." I've enjoyed reading the comments everyone's posted and may not have much new to add, but here goes:
Val, regarding that last comment from someone on lost-forum.com,
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Another inside joke about the Numbers might be that last night's episode was the 108th produced hour of the series - hence the prominence of that number in the episode. I was curious as to whose name would have appeared by that number in the Lighthouse, but we didn't find out. In "The Substitute," I also enjoyed seeing the Numbers attached to the remaining Oceanic 6 survivors (except Kate - I'm not sure why she isn't named - and Aaron - though "Shephard" could actually refer to Aaron through his grandfather's line).
I think that poster has a point. But I think the Numbers do have meaning in the show, but that meaning has been explained, and perhaps the point here is that (contrary to some fans' inquiries) there is no more to be explained about them. (Their sum is 108, which was important in season 2 with the button in the hatch, and according to The Lost Experience, they're the exponents of the Valenzetti Equation, which also ties into the Hanso Foundation).
I thought the whole Lighthouse
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numbers/names on the wheel corresponding to the mirror views was pretty cool, from a sci-fi point of view, though certainly the surveillance aspect had a sort of 1984 feeling to it. And both of these episodes tie into one of the show's big themes, free will vs destiny, especially as Flocke points out to Sawyer in the cave (to paraphrase, "You're not here because your plane crashed but because others are manipulating your path") and Jack observes in the Lighthouse. Like you pointed out Val, perhaps it's not good and evil so much as free will vs destiny/manipulation.
It was nice seeing
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Claire again, though at times she seems a little "Rousseau" - I think Jin was right to be rather worried about his life, especially when she asks him "I'm still your friend, right?" in that little voice. But three years alone (almost!) in the jungle, searching for her lost little one, could do that to a person. And I think Jacob's "something evil coming to the Temple" refers more to Claire's "friend" (Flocke) than to Claire herself, though the way these writers like to surprise us, we can't be sure.
But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.
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Posted : February 24, 2010 5:02 am
Valiant_Lucy - you have hit the nail on the head, just everyone sit down, have a chat - all problems would be solved.
Anywho . . .
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I like the theory of Juliet-is-David's-Mother (I can still like it, even if it doesn't happen!). Bless Jack, whenever he welled up in this episode I was completely "No! You'll get me started", I didn't realise I wanted him to be happy so much - without the silly Kate women 
Moving swiftly on. I'm glad he's learning from his own fathers mistakes.
Moving swiftly on. I'm glad he's learning from his own fathers mistakes.Islandly goodness . . .
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Am I the only one who, when Jacob was all 'something's coming' about the temple thought 'but you've left Miles there!'? I reckon he's probably talking about Claire. She honestly actually scared me this episode - I was mentally chanting for Jin to get out.
The Lighthouse stuff was pretty cool. Loved Hurley reminiscing about the good old times! The mirror was weird - so Jacob's just been watching all of them? And who's coming to the Island?
Finally - yeay! I'm glad you were wrong too 7chronicles!! 
Posted : February 24, 2010 8:11 am
More thoughts on "Lighthouse" :
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Juliet as David's mother would be a nice touch. I read a comment elsewhere that his appearance virtually guarantees that the sideways-reality will persist through the end of the series, as network TV doesn't 'off' cute/prodigy-type kids.
Someone also noticed that Kate Austen's name does appear in the big wheel at the Lighthouse, even if we didn't see it in the cave in "The Substitute." Her name isn't scratched out, and corresponds to number 51...not one of the Numbers but still tied, perhaps to something mysterious (Area 51 perhaps? Admittedly, that is a bit of a stretch )
But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.
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Posted : February 24, 2010 2:36 pm
My thoughts on 6.04 - The Substitute:
A leisurely pace but all the same, a great episode.
Currently watching:
Doctor Who - Season 11
Posted : February 24, 2010 11:47 pm
Regarding the other night's episode The Lighthouse...
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Given the large amount of Greek and Egyptian (especially the latter) architectural influences on various ruins we've seen throughout the run of the show it didn't surprise me when the lighthouse popped up on my TV screen as an squarish structure. Most modern day lighthouses are roundish but the ancients had a much different style for this type of thing. Further, the actual "light" would have been oil of some type, probably not too dissimilar from what one puts in a hurricane lantern, and this would be lit and the flame would be seen for miles around. Ok, so it's not Cape Hatteras, but still...
Here's an artists rendition of what the famous Lighthouse of Alexandria, one of the 7 Ancient Wonders of the World, may have looked like. 
The two aren't exactly the same but definitely similar. I'm always half expecting to see some ancient Greco-Egyptian style ruin each episode and this one almost made me clap.
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Posted : February 25, 2010 8:49 am
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