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stargazer
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Nice to see you stop by, Cymru! You're one of the people I credit with inspiring me to begin watching the series. :)

And enjoy getting LOST, narnian1! You've a fun ride ahead.

...I am wondering what that creature might be. I wanted to yell Jurassic Park but I don't think that's it at all.

I understand that's a common response upon seeing the Monster's actions in the pilot episodes. (I didn't start watching until the end of season 3, when the Sci-Fi Channel aired them from the beginning, 4 each Monday evening, till they caught up. That was pretty intense!)

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

Topic starter Posted : March 16, 2010 11:05 am
Shadowlander
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Is tonight the Richard-centric one? This is the episode I've been wanting to see more than any other and if it's some other episode it's going to be a letdown....:(

Narnian1, welcome to the fold! I didn't begin watching Lost until 2 years ago. We Netflixed the first several seasons and finally caught up with what was going on TV at the tail end of Season 4. Wisewoman had just recently started watching Lost too although she stopped at the end of Season 4 if I recall...wonder if she's been keeping up with it too. Hmmm...at any rate, to echo what W4J has already said, Lost is a show of details and intrigue. Some of the details you come across turn out as false leads, but others (even tiny ones) are of incredible import, and so Lost fans spend most of their time discussing the show on levels that non-fans consider insane. ;)) It's good fun though...I sincerely hope you enjoy!

And I envy you when you get to the Season 2 opener...it was the best Lost opening of all time, in my humble opinion.

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Posted : March 16, 2010 12:47 pm
narnian1
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The second part of the Pilot wasn't so bad. Too much of an easy watch, as anxious as it makes me, I prefer to be edgy through it- it's makes the episode better, but I am sure I'll have enough of those so a breather in between is good.

Posted : March 16, 2010 12:54 pm
7chronicles
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I will only be seeing one episode a day, there is no way I could handle more than one at a time. :-ss

Glad your starting to watch Lost narnian1!
Me and my family started watching Lost almost two years ago, right after the fourth season ended.
We were hooked from the minute we started watching it! :D We finished all four seasons in three weeks! :p We just kept putting on one after the other, I think we watched like five episodes a day, but considering our air conditioner went out in the middle of summer, and we had no cable at the time because we were trying to save money, it wasn’t that hard to keep watching! ;) :p

Is tonight the Richard-centric one? This is the episode I've been wanting to see more than any other and if it's some other episode it's going to be a letdown....:(

Sadly no, tonight is Recon, next week is the Richard Episode! :) But still we get a new episode of Lost! ;)

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : March 16, 2010 4:17 pm
Valiant_Lucy
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So, tonight was another amazing Lost episode, partly because it was Sawyer-centric.

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I was not expecting Sawyer to be a cop in the side-ways reality! Interesting thought, "I had to choose between being a criminal or a cop"--I guess this means he's made the "right choices", like Ben in the previous episode did? Also wasn't expecting the blind date to be Charlotte! That was kinda cool, although I don't want them together or anything.
Haha, totally thought Kate and Sawyer would end up meeting again in the side-ways world. Although, this makes me wonder. If Sawyer's a cop, then when he saw Kate in the elevator and knew she was being hunted, he did nothing to stop her. Why?

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About the woman, "Zoe" who is working for Widmore--I'm proud to say that literally as soon as she started speaking to Sawyer I said "ha! I bet she killed them". Not exactly, but pretty much close!
I think Flocke killed the rest of the passengers...

I thought that

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Sawyer as a cop acted like Sawyer as "La Fleur" when he was in the Dharma village, somehow.

Hmm,

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Flocke's story about his mother is interesting. Is it true? On a Lost forum someone had the theory that Flocke is actually Aaron, due to time-traveling. That's kinda cool/weird but when we saw MIB on the beach way back, he had dark hair...and Aaron's blond.

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Another thought (that I read on a Lost forum)--that when Claire was holding hands with Kate it was like she was trying to "mark" her or something, Kate seemed uncomfortable with it, and she avoided grabbing Flocke's hand. Then, Claire hugs her. Is that enough to "do her in" if that's what it's doing??

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Posted : March 16, 2010 4:47 pm
stargazer
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Yes, it certainly looks like next week's episode is the Richard-centric one.

Comments on tonight's "Recon" -

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This episode returns to the season 1 parallel for centric people (Sawyer was centric in 1.08 and 6.08). I certainly didn't expect him to be a cop, and figured that opening flash-sideways segment was just another con, especially when the briefcase full of money came open.

I knew Rebecca Mader (Charlotte) was returning soon but didn't expect her to be set up as a blind date for cop Sawyer. I was suspicious of her digging around in Sawyer's drawer, and she seemed immediately attracted to that Sawyer folder. While I'm not so sure we'll see more of her I wonder if there's more to this seemingly random encounter with alternate-Sawyer. I too like the parallel that there Sawyer, like Ben, makes the right decision.

"LaFleur" as a codeword - nice touch. I'm liking the way the sideways universe mixes familiar characters together in unexpected ways.

Zoe was just asking island-Sawyer too many questions; I figured she was up to no good. And the way Sawyer is playing Widmore and Flocke against each other is classic con man all the way.

Excellent question asked there, Valiant_Lucy: if alternate-Sawyer is a cop why didn't he stop Kate in the elevator in "LA X"? I believe he saw her handcuffs in that episode.

All in all, a very good episode. I'm really looking forward to next week's installment.

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

Topic starter Posted : March 16, 2010 5:45 pm
7chronicles
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No answers really, but Lost none the less, I didn't expect tonight's episode tell us much from reports I had heard about it. But Next week is going to so good! :) :D :p

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Regarding Flocke's mother I know more about her will be reviled in episode 15: Across the Sea which is a Jacob/Flocke episode, so I'm really looking forward to seein that episode, and Episode 11: Happily ever After, I think will also be a really great episode since we'll get to see Desmond again! :D

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : March 16, 2010 6:54 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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In Australia we got LOST late in the game. I believe it started here in March 2005. I watched the series when it first hit our screens. I had seen some promos for a TV series about an island and a plane crash or something. The concept intrigued me but I hoped that they took it beyond the Lord of the Flies/Survivor level. And they did! The Pilot blew me away! It was incredibly intense and very, very mysterious. Quite cinematic too. I was hooked. The rest is history.

Tonight we have the Ben Linus episode, next week - the Sawyer episode and then the following week, the Richard-centric episode - Ab Aeterno.
Episode 10 follows that one and is entitled:

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The Package. It is a Jin/Sun-centric episode.

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Posted : March 16, 2010 9:51 pm
stargazer
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A couple of additional thoughts on last night's Sawyer-centric "Recon" -

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I spotted a copy of Watership Down on cop-Sawyer's chest of drawers (as Charlotte begins her search). Not only have rabbits become iconic on this show, but he recommended this book (way back in season 1's "Confidence Man") to Kate - "It's about bunnies."

Another nice touch is Charlie's brother Liam asking about his arrest in the alternate universe.

Interesting connection between cop-Sawyer and original Sawyer: they're both trying to track down a man named Anthony Cooper in Australia - and both would kill (or have killed) him given a chance.

Alternate Charlotte is still an archaeologist. In the original timeline, she chose that line of work in an attempt to find a way to return to the island, which she left as a child (season 5). We know (from Roger Linus' comments last week and the undersea view of the island in "LA X") that the Dharma Initiative was on the island in the alternate-1970s. I wonder if Charlotte was there as a child in the alternate universe, and if she has that same desire to return?

And cop-Sawyer is watching an episode of the old TV series Little House on the Prairie. Michael Landon's lines seem appropriate: "That's what life is all about. Laughing and loving each other. And knowing that people aren't really gone when they die."

At first blush I wasn't sure this is a show that a hardened con man like Sawyer might watch, so this would be another alternate-universe difference. But apparently original-Sawyer was also a fan as a kid, as noted in season 3's "Tricia Tanaka is Dead."

But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.

Topic starter Posted : March 17, 2010 6:54 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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My thoughts on ep.6.07 - Dr Linus:

I've got to say I really enjoyed both the Island and LA X time-lines in this episode. Michael Emerson as Ben is always brilliant to watch and this was no exception.

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Island - I feel Illana and the gang have been largely abandoned for much of the series so far, so it was great to see more of them. They learn the Temple has been compromised, so they head for the beach camp (is nowhere safe?) ;)

LA X - Ben Linus, as the high-school European History teacher writes the word 'ELBA' on the blackboard. Apparently it has to do with something Napoleon Bonaparte-related but the first thing that came to my mind was that spelt backwards, ELBA spells ABLE. An anagram from ABLE is ABEL, as in Cain and Abel from the book of Genesis. Interesting.
Ben has an opposition in Principal Reynolds. He has to supervise detention at lunch times, while he wants to do extra History classes with willing students. We see more of Artz! Yay. Isn't it interesting that we're seeing more of him now than we did in the Island timeline? Ben talks with Artz about wanting to become the new principal to help the students. Locke overhears the conversation and says he'd vouch for Ben as principal. Is this the real Locke or Smokey? It could be either but Smokey has the motivation to prod Ben along on his path.

Island - Illana gives Miles Jacob's ashes and asks him to find out what happened. Miles tells the group that Ben killed Jacob. Illana is furious because Jacob was like a father to her. More daddy issues? Or possibly a positive influence?

LA X - Ben looks after his aging dad, who is alive in this timeline. We discover that they visited the Island and joined the Dharma Initiative, but we don't know how long they stayed. Not long by all accounts. I found the parallels very interesting in this episode. Ben gases his dad with oxygen to keep him alive, while in the Island timeline, Ben gassed his dad in Season 3, to kill him.
Wow. Alex Rousseau isn't Ben's 'daughter' but Ben's favourite student?

Island - Kwon is a candidate to replace Jacob. We still don't know whether it is to be Sun, Jin or Ji Yeon. I'm voting for their daughter, Ji Yeon. There are six candidates remaining. Ben finds a book at the beach camp - The Chosen (I haven't read it). Frank Lapidus was meant to be flying the Oceanic 815 but he overslept. The Island still got him in the end. Illana gets Ben to dig his own grave - cruel but strangely apt.

LA X - Ben tests Alex on her History knowledge in the library. He reads from a book with the words - 'East Indianan Training Company'. Below, is a picture of an old ship, alluding to the Black Rock ship. Alex tells Ben that she heard Principal Reynolds having inappropriate 'relations' with the school nurse. I think Ben will use this knowledge to blackmail Reynolds for the position of principal.

Island - Great stuff. It took almost three years but we finally have a minor storyline tied up when Miles mentions that he knows of two people, Niki and Paulo who have been buried with $8 million dollars worth of diamonds. Miles talks to Ben and mentions that Jacob hoped he was wrong about Ben, just before he was stabbed. This implies to me, that Ben will possibly have a change of heart, seeing that Jacob didn't deceive him but that he cared for him - a true Judas and Jesus moment.
Richard leads Hurley and Jack to the Black Rock ship. He tells them he wants to die. This new Richard is scaring me. This season he's really unravelled and when you have someone as balanced and collected as Richard used to be, it's unnerving.
Does he want to die because Jacob is dead and he was his everything? Possibly.

LA X - I knew it! We still have the power-hungry Ben. He plots with Artz to blackmail Principal Reynolds. Artz calls Ben, 'a real killer'. Ha, ha! If only he knew how true that was in the other timeline.

Island - Inside the Black Rock there are markings etched into the sides of the wooden hull - most likely used by the slaves to record days or weeks spent on the ship. Richard explains that he hasn't returned to the ship since he first arrived on the Island. I wonder why he took so long? Surely curiosity would've got the better of him in that time? He finds some sticks of dynamite and tells them that he wants them to kill him. He can't kill himself because he was touched by Jacob and this grants him a certain level of immortality. Richards calls the power a curse, not a gift. He is distraught. In the intense dark shadows of the ship (lit very much like some religious Renaissance paintings), he tells them that he is in doubt because Jacob is dead and he is what supposedly gave his life meaning. Everything happens for a reason, and yet, it doesn't. He feels that he now lives a life without purpose. This scene is very much like the doubt one can feel when challenged by God or circumstance.
Jacks agrees to help Richard kill himself. He lights the fuse to a stick of dynamite and sits down to talk, while it burns away. He believes that because his name was written down in the Lighthouse, that he is a possible candidate and won't die. Wow. This is a new Jack. This Jack is a real Man of Faith! The fuse burns out before the dynamite can explode. Was the dynamite faulty or was an unseen party involved? Perhaps Christian Shepard or Jacob?
Ben digs his own grave while Illana patrols the area. Hidden from view, Smokey talks Ben into leaving his grave to join him and rule the Island when he and his team have left. Smokey releases Ben from his 'chains' with a Force-like movement. This is possibly the first time we've seen anything explicitly like magic, on the show. He tells Ben to meet them on Hydra Island. Ben bolts for freedom, Illana gives chase.

LA X - Principal Reynolds is very much Ben's foil - an LA X version of Charles Widmore if you will. Ben blackmails Reynolds to become the new principal but Reynolds turns the tables and threatens to ruin Alex and her future. High stakes! Will Ben choose power or Alex?

Island - Ben is chased by Illana, grabs a rifle that was lying there for him, but stops and confesses his sins. He admits that he chased the power of the Island above even his own 'daughter' but that Alex was the only one who mattered, and he pretty much killed her. This is great contrast to earlier, where all he cared about was power. He asks Illana to let him go and join Smokey, because Locke is the only one who will have him. So sad and twisted but rather true given the circumstance. Illana is touched by his confession and forgives him. She tells him that their group will have him. Ben follows in disbelief. I found this scene immensely powerful. It's brilliant to see Ben confess and receive redemption. The power of forgiveness, eh?

LA X - Ben turns down the blackmailing deal in favour of helping Alex have a bright and healthy future. This nicely contrasts with his inability to save Alex on the Island.

Island - Ben returns to camp looking worse for wear and a bit stunned. Miles unearths the diamonds. Hurley, Jack and Richard return to beach camp, where they're greeted Season 2-style. Very nostalgic. Finally a periscope breaks the surface of the water. Below, Charles Widmore sits in a submarine. He has returned to the Island. He watches the group for sometime and then decides to head for Hydra Island. I'm really loving the idea that Widmore is finally returning to the Island. It probably means that Desmond and Penny aren't far behind (or at least that we'll see more of them). Jacob's death may have been what prevented him from returning earlier. Will we finally see Ben and Charles face off each other? Ben on Jacob's side and Charles on the MIB's?

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Posted : March 18, 2010 2:28 am
Shantih
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W4J -

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Elba is the island Napoleon was sent to for his first exile after being stripped of his power. Makes me wonder if perhaps something similar happened to the Man in Black, or even Jacob?

There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.

Posted : March 18, 2010 3:01 am
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Thanks for that bit of information Shantih!

I listened to a podcast interview with one of the writers of the LOST Encyclopedia, Tara Bennett (the other writer is Paul Terry). She talked with the host about the experience of creating such a complex guide.

Here's the 40 minute interview:
http://www.fictionalfrontiers.podcastpe ... osts/37851

Here are a few very interesting asides:

- everything will be alphabetically categorised (well, duh!)
- several pages will be devoted to each major plot-point, more minor events will receive a page or less
- the book will cover both the main series arc, the sub-plot arcs and the character arcs
- there will some little titbits of information not shared in the series e.g. the food-drops
- the book is official and will be the definitive LOST book. Some of the ARG stuff was just for entertainment, other parts to misdirect and some of it was canon. This book will only have canon materials.
- Damon and Carlton and the other LOST writers have corresponded with the writers, some more regularly than others
- the book is being overseen, edited and details corrected by the LOST 'Bible' man of continuity - Gregg Nations (oh yeah!)

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Posted : March 18, 2010 2:22 pm
Rising_Star
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Just FYI, it's "Le Fleur," not "La Fleur." ;) :P

I seem to be the only one still under the impression that Jacob is the good guy. ;)) I mean, he was "white" and MIB was "black." And so far Smokey has been the one to do all the killing while as Jacob hasn't killed anyone to our knowledge.

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Posted : March 20, 2010 7:19 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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No, I thought Jacob was good back in Season 5 but he's been rather manipulative of late. Maybe Jacob's not so much good as he is 'the lesser of two evils?' :-o

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Posted : March 20, 2010 7:24 pm
Claire-ayes
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So . . I've just caught up on 'Recon'. It was a pretty relaxed episode, some may have called it slow, but I actually really enjoyed it.

I'm going to go ahead and do the alternate time line first,

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just because I loved the Sawyer (or rather Jim)/Miles cop relationship. I see it's already been mentioned - but why if, Sawyer was a cop, did he let Kate go in the Airport? Well, it's seems apparent from his . . . dedication, shall we say, to the uncover role that he ain't no ordinary cop B-) .

I was really pleased when Miles turned out to be his partner (In case you haven't noticed, I'm a big Miles fan :D ), it's nice to see their little double act in Dharmaville recognised. Speaking of Miles, do you think he still has his powers? Perhaps that's how he knew Sawyer was lying, like he knew Michael was lying about his name back in Season 4.

I did not understand how Charlotte and Sawyer hit it off so quickly, she seemed rather different from her 'on-island' self. And why was she routing through his draws? [-x There was definite rout-age going on, not accidental.

Also, is Anthony Cooper a bad guy then? Locke still seems to hang with him? Questions, questions.

On Island -

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How dare they even slightly reignite the Sawyer/Kate thing! It's only been, what, three/four days since Juliet died? :-o Grieving is an area this show has no time for. The smoke-monster-crazy-mum thing was interesting, no doubt many-a 'Aaron is the smoke monster' theories have been re-imagined. Also . . . Mr Widmore, for why are you here? Whos side are you on? Are there even sides at all? One final thing - was Mr Smoke Monster leading Ben into a trap when he told him to go straight to Hydra Island? If so . . . what a mean old smoke monster he is. :(

Cannae wait for the next one!!

Posted : March 21, 2010 12:39 am
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