It's been a while since there's been a good discussion top in this forum that wasn't Religious (which we limit), or Political (which we avoid). So I thought I'd start one. I suppose that while this topic could potentially have religious or political themes, I think it's enough outside of the box that we can discuss it without stepping on too many toes and people getting bent out of shape. So here we go...
When I was little, the two big headlines I remember at the time were 'save the whales' and 'don't litter'. Not sure how I was supposed to help save the whales at the time as I couldn't exactly donate to the cause. But I do remember littering was an issue as there was a lot of trash to be seen when driving down the highways. Thankfully since that time littering laws have been passed and you're fined if you get caught. The roads (around here at least) are much cleaner.
Next came the big 'Reduce, Reuse, Recycle' push. I find that the first two are sort of 'duh' concepts that shouldn't have to be explained to people unless they're really wasteful (America? Wasteful? Nah!!! ). But recycling at the time was a debatable subject. By recycling things like water bottles and such, were you creating more pollution in the process of turning the plastic back into a new water bottle? I think these days technology has made it such that recycling has more pros than cons. Though the 'reduce' and 'reuse' bits are still highly preferred.
But in the past 5-10 years, the big push has been 'Go Green!!' I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about. You can't get away from it if you even watch commercials on the TV or see ads sitting on the side of websites. To be honest, I find it highly agitating. Oh, I appreciate the concept, and I agree with the core idea of it. But now it's been so over-commercialized that I find myself picking products that don't preach its world-saving awesomeness all over the front label.
But the preachiness behind the green movement isn't the reason I'm not on board with the whole idea. It's because I feel like it's there solely to make sales to uneducated consumers rather than trying to save the planet. Let me give you a couple examples.....
The other day, I was in the grocery store looking for some Rice Milk. Right next to it were some boxes of Organic Brown Eggs. A true facepalm moment for me and it's a perfect example of one of my biggest pet peeves of the organic section of food isles. I think a lot of people think of brown and white eggs in the same way they do brown (whole wheat) and white bread. White eggs have been bleached and processed and aren't as nutritional as brown eggs right? Wrong. The only difference between the two is the outside color of the shell which is dependent on the breed of chicken. It has nothing to do with how the chicken was raised or how the eggs were handled. So what happens to the Organic white eggs? I have no idea. I imagine they're stuck on the shelf at a cheaper price cause they're not as cool as brown eggs, and the poor suckers who buy brown organic eggs are getting completely ripped off. (As a side note, while they're at it, I think there's a huge market for someone to start selling Araucana Chicken Eggs cause they're green. Green Eggs? Green Movement? Huge sales!! )
Example number 2 (and the real reason I'm on a rant right now, I admit it ), Last night we had a cfl (compact florescent lightbulb) burn out. In the process of changing it out, it fell and shattered on the bathroom counter. Does everybody know what's in a cfl? Mercury vapor... A heavy metal fume that's toxic when inhaled. Thankfully in a cfl it's a small enough amount that I'm sure nobody in my house is going to die over it, but still, my husband was pretty overly cautious about cleaning it up. We opened up the whole house (90F outside at night.. stifling) and vented the air. Everything that could have come in contact with it was tossed into the trash, and my husband wiped everything down over about a two hour period. And if that had been the suddenly unfavorable incandescent lightbulb? Shoot, just get a broom and sweep it up.
I understand the point of the energy saving power of those bulbs, I really do, but I don't think that the general population has considered the tradeoff of what happens when both burn out. How much energy does it take to properly dispose of a cfl, assuming people don't dump it in the trash?
At any rate, this opening post is already waaaaay too long, so I'm gonna shut up now and open it up to the rest of you all. What are your thoughts on going green? Do you usually buy 'green' or organic products at the store? Do you have any reservations like I do? Discuss!
I have to admit I'm not huge on anything to do with being "green" or "eco-friendly". I mean, I definetly don't go out of my way to litter (which I don't do at all), and I recycle to some extent (occasionaly recycables go into the waste but if they do I don't get too freaked out about it), but I don't go out of my way to buy organic or eco friendly food. I think it's fine for people who want to be really into that, it's just not my thing.
While we're on this topic, I saw this list recently of skincare products and companies that were touted as being "organic!" but turned out actually weren't.
http://jezebel.com/5813491/cosmetics-co ... c-products
Now that I've said that though, my housemate who I'll be living with starting in Sept is really into being eco-friendly and wants to only use "green" household products, so we'll see how I like them
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I try to buy more natural foods when I can, because a lot of the unnatural foods make me sick. They're way too expensive though, so I'm usually forced to buy the unnatural foods.
I think these foods that label themselves as being "natural" should have more extensive testing done before they're allowed to put "natural" labels on their products. There are too many fakers out there. And some people (like me) buy natural foods because of medical conditions. So when these people eat something, thinking it's natural, and it turns out it's not... we can get really sick. It's almost like lying on the allergy information.
~Riella
I try to buy more natural foods when I can, because a lot of the unnatural foods make me sick. They're way too expensive though, so I'm usually forced to buy the unnatural foods.
You'll have to excuse my curiosity, but may I ask what you mean specifically by natural and unnatural foods?
We've been eating a mix of organic and mainstream foods for years. There is a difference in the flavor of things including eggs. Things seem to have considerably more flavor when "organic."
On the go green push... I have cfl's in my room and we have them in various locations around the house. They've got a new line of bulbs out that I would prefer... Leds. They are much more efficient and don't have the mercury problem that the cfl bulbs.
I'm not against getting things that are more efficient, but I do so in my budget. My budget doesn't allow for the more expensive Led bulbs, but maybe by the time my cfls go out, the prices will come down.
A lot of my local grocery stores don't have "organic" aisles anymore. They put the organic stuff on the regular shelves. Which is very nice because you can price compare without having to go back and forth looking at prices. It also means the prices have to be more competitive.
Sorry if this sounds a bit rambly. I just woke up from a mid afternoon nap.
I try to buy more natural foods when I can, because a lot of the unnatural foods make me sick. They're way too expensive though, so I'm usually forced to buy the unnatural foods.
You'll have to excuse my curiosity, but may I ask what you mean specifically by natural and unnatural foods?
Unnatural foods would be the things you'd buy that have ingredients that you can't pronounce, chemicals, food dye #5, etc. Things man have added, basically.
Whereas, natural foods would be things that are... well... natural. Unaltered by man.
~Riella
An interesting idea for a topic of discussion.
My family uses some "energy saving" light bulbs, but come to think of it, that's probably one of the only areas which we do use something "more green", and even then, it's not exactly to be green on purpose, but to save money (whether this is accomplished or not by doing so is beyond my ken).
We do, however, eat a lot of organic food and vegetables, and tend to prefer organic over un-organic wherever possible, although we do eat some un-organic vegetables such as broccoli (we tried the organic for a while, but gave up on it after finding we were spending more time looking for the bugs which infested the broccoli than it was worth) and lettuce.
Again, though, it's mainly because we like to be as healthy as we can be, not because we in my household feel any particular appeal by the "go green" movement. I do like the idea of green eggs, though. Perhaps those eggs were the kind Dr. Seuss had in mind when he wrote Green Eggs and Ham? Or was that Green Ham and Eggs?
Dear days of old, with the faces in the firelight,
Kind folks of old, you come again no more.
(Robert Louis Stevenson)
We used to use the flourescent bulbs and do use them outside, where the light is on all night. We used to use the white ones all over the house before we moved, but this house already had light bulbs (and we don't use the one in the main room very much at all because there's a lamp that's nice and bright.) so we don't really change back. Are there energy saving bulbs that are orange instead of white? I like that gleam better than the white one... but that's kind of a personal, unimportant preference.
Honestly, if organic is the healthy, economical way to go, then I'm for it. I'm all for planting vegetables in your garden and eating it. That's wonderful. (and many unorganic foods are pretty eh like tomatos or oranges.) But over here (and surprisingly in Kenya, organic is the cheapest thing around. Canned food is very expensive there. ) organic is really outrageously expensive. And I feel, as long as one is eating healthy (like wheat over white bread... I don't get the eggs thing though. We eat normal eggs. *shrugs*) it is healthy enough to eat regular food.
My family is not very go-green, driving to recycle our stuff, etc. etc. We really only started recycling now because the garbage people take it for free here, where as there were complications in the city, but we do care for the enviroment, etc. (and we only buy mainly organic food when we get gift cards for Trader Joe's or something. I admit, I liked buying organic better but mostly just for the brand name. But now, as long as it's healthy, I don't mind non-organic foods. When planting though, I prefer buying organic.)
RL Sibling: CSLewisNarnia
We really only started recycling now because the garbage people take it for free here
Ah, you're lucky. Here, we have to pay to recycle. Which is dumb. It's hardly encouraging residents to live the lifestyle they're pushing so hard for everyone to live.
I know some people who are required to recycle, and get in trouble legally when they don't.
I think being good to the environment is our duty as God-appointed stewarts to the earth. But when it goes to an extreme, a good thing can easily become a bad thing. I mean, with some people, recycling and "going green" is their religion. Same with some "health nuts". I'm all for eating healthy and excercise. But I know people who think other people are garbage, just because they don't buy the right kind of potatoes.
~Riella
Ok I'm gonna start off the bat by saying (and many of you have figured this out) that I'm a bit of a tree hugger. There are however a few things brought up that I do agree with.
-get rid of the mercury in the green bulbs
-you shouldn't have to pay to recycle
-I'm also upset it's become more of advertising campaign than to actually help the planet.
-organic costs way too much
However you have to admit that when we start talking about chemically preserved foods, and genetically altered strawberries that things start getting a bit sketchy
Whether one believes in global warming or not there's still other massive problems that we have caused like littering, habitat destruction, and over hunting.
As for myself I'd buy organic (actually I'd raise my own food) but I have no job and I rely completely on my parents income. At least though I recycle (I was composting for a while... but I kinda ran into a bug problem I would like to try again though)
I have one more thing to add to the rant list. We were grocery shopping the other day and I noticed the only bananas that we wrapped in plastic were the organic ones. What's the point of being organic if you are going to dump plastic back into the garbage patch?! [/rant ]
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"Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down
I swing my nalgene low "go green" on the side sipping h2o..
Yeah I definitely go green. I always choose organic if I can.
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I discovered potting soil labeled "organic" when I started buying stuff for my attempt at gardening this year. I did opt for that as there wasn't really a price difference at the size I was buying.
Somethings that have the organic label, like potting soil, always make me wonder what makes it organic. I mean it's earth. The same thing with the "green" cleaning products. What makes it "green"? It's chemicals just like the other stuff.
I think with soil in might be something like added fertilizer and pesticides. And with cleaning products it might be the source of the ingredients (ie plants or man-made chemicals) but I'm not sure. It might also be the way they manufacture them.
"The mountains are calling and I must go, and I will work on while I can, studying incessantly." -John Muir
"Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down
Yeah, in the city we had to pay to recycle, Ithilwen. So we figured that we'd just reuse as much paper as possible and throw whatever away. I mean, at least people should make it easier to save the planet.
I agree--I believe that we are stewards of the Earth, and God expects us to care for it but I don't believe it should be our religion or idol. We should look after it just as He says to.
Good point, starkat, what exactly makes soil more organic than just ordinary potting soil?
RL Sibling: CSLewisNarnia
I agree with wolfy on the soil. I used to go to the garden section all the time, and I always saw a lot of dirt and soil for sale that said "added pesticides to keep those pesky bugs away!" The organic is the stuff that's just earth pure and simple, I'm thinking.
~Riella