At the place I worked last year(I will not name it for privacy reasons) I was basically accused of stealing money without evidence(They found out it was someone else later on). I was one of two non-Christians working and the other had been absent on the day of the crime. One of the other works said " It is like one of those non-believers because they think they can get away with stealing". Than the boss was keep close watch on me for weeks. The only thing I have stolen in my life is a biscuit from my mothers fridge. Ha

That's quite a switch from what happens here in the US, let me tell you . Do you work at a Bible book store or something? Seriously, I'm sorry that happened to you. Here in the US many companies aren't too fond of their employees having open discussions about religion at all, so if one or more started openly accusing others based upon their beliefs in some places that's pretty close to grounds for termination (or sacking as I think you guys refer to it as) if they don't term you right off the bat. Was the thief one of the Christians out of curiousity?

I was watching a program where they were talking about releasing and flowing "positive" and "negative" energy from the human body. There was this women who was clamping the joints of the presenter to "release block energy". If anyone ever talks about this stuff in the presence of me you may get a huge sigh and an eye role. Don't get me started on when people thing rooms have positive/negative energy.

I was at a gun show two weekends ago and a friend and I came across a booth where the vendor was selling (I know I'm going to get the name wrong but bear with me) some kind of negative ion energy wristband. It looks like a rubber sport bracelet or promotional deal where one would ordinarily see the name of some organization or a person's name, but this one advertised itself as getting rid of pesky negative ions and improving balance and stamina and such. So the guy saw us looking and came over and gave me a demonstration. He asked me to stand on one foot with my arms stretched out to the sides and then lightly pushed down on one arm and, having the balance of a giraffe with vertigo, I went over easy enough. He then placed the bracelet on my shoulder and used both hands to push down hard, and I didn't budge. Of course I'm not sure how he did it but the whole thing felt quite like a bar room trick or some such. Suffice it to say that despite the clever demonstration I didn't feel like parting with $20. I think that a person who is negative or positive in attitude will tend to attract and repel others, but I don't think there's any more to it than just that no one wants to hang out with a negative person and most people generally enjoy spending time with someone with a positive outlook. And that's about as close as I can get to such stuff.

Religion in work places isn't a common occurrence in Australia, but I happened to work for people who were very religious. It was actually the son of the owner, which he reluctantly told us...... I am just happy not to work there any more to be honest. I felt too out of place, and I think they thought I was a rather odd person.

I think that it is some trick with muscle tension and so on(I read it somewhere) and I may be thinking of something else. Sometimes I feel I am too rude to thee people ( I have a number of looks I give such people, when they try to get me to buy stuff). I just don't want to waste my time and well theirs listening to them, when I know I am not going to buy anything. I think these people should learn some real chemistry and they will see that is more exciting than the stuff the go on about.

Take the following for example;

Steroisomers- molecules that have the same molecular formula and sequence of bonded atoms but they have a different orientation in space. One type of these are called enantimors( The two molecules are mirror images of each other in such a way that they are non-superimposable). Such substances can make up drugs(They contain both types of the molecule). The enantimor may bond to different biological activation sites throughout the body causing different effects(some of which are not intended).

Religion in the workplace is ... odd, to say the least. In the States there is a distressing tendency toward the "persecuted hegemony," that is, that the powerful people who do some spoiled-rotten-brat, casual victimizing, whilst wailing that they themselves are being victimized.

Example A: the folks who complain that there isn't a Nativity scene on the front lawn of City Hall. (Solution: if everyone who claimed to follow Jesus had their own Nativity scene on their own lawn, you couldn't see the stars at night because of the glare of all of the lighted decorations. Is this really something the government should have to do for you? I suppose you want the government to go to church for you too so you can sleep in on Sundays.)

Example B: the hapless cashier at Super Duper Mega Mart who wishes the customer "Happy Holidays" (because Thanksgiving, New Year, and the Jewish holidays you would be celebrating if Jesus hadn't been born yet are also holidays) -- and the customer shrieks that they are being mistreated because the cashier did not wish them a Merry Christmas. Cashier then gets disciplined for being "rude" to the rude customer. (Solution: I don't recall Jesus even celebrating His own birthday. He was too busy being Life and Hope to those around Him.)

Example C: (this is the sort I think you were talking about, ILF): a nonbeliever in the workplace overhears a bunch of Christian co-workers praying aloud to each other that said first co-worker will be "broken at the feet of Jesus." This past April I've also heard Dr. Charles Stanley say something similar on Sunday morning television! Specifically, if someone won't hear your witness, pray that God will send them the kind of difficulty that would inspire them to turn to Him. (Solution: if your concept of Witnessing involves secretly wishing that God would send some angels to break your neighbor's kneecaps, You Are Doing It Wrong. Seriously. Who would Jesus whack?)

Example D: Christians Behaving Badly at Sunday brunch. (See Sundays are the worst. Common sins include:

*Verbal tipping instead of money. (Try paying your mortgage/rent, utility bills, or taxes with compliments and see how far you get. Did you know that the IRS makes wait staff pay taxes on the tips they were SUPPOSED to get, whether or not you, the customer, were honest enough to tip them? It's embarrassing when the IRS thinks people are less rotten than they are.)

*Tracts that look like money. (Especially cruel. Half of the time, the waitress is already saved, so you just stole from your church! In fact, try putting this funny money in the collection plate and see how far you get.)

*Campers. (If you sat through two viewings at the movie theater, you would be expected to purchase two tickets.)

*And of course generally abusive behavior. (This is why a traditional first date includes Dinner and a Show. A date who mistreats the wait staff will treat you the same way after securing a commitment.)

Let's face it. If you "don't believe" in tipping, don't go to a restaurant that involves tips. Go to the place that makes you pay in advance, shout your order into the clown's mouth, and eat the grease pile with your fingers in the car. Oh, and cut your own hair and groom your own pet. Nowhere does the Bible say, "Thou Shalt Not Steal except from people who can't fight back." Sheesh!

Is this really something the government should have to do for you? I suppose you want the government to go to church for you too so you can sleep in on Sundays.)

Whilst Example C is probably the closest thing that IlF would be referring to, I have a strong feeling that at least some of the "religious" types she referred to have only been "religious" because they can send their kids to church to learn to behave in a lawful fashion whilst they, themselves, have that nice "sleep-in". on Sunday morning.

Seriously. Convicts were sent to church religiously on Sundays to reform their characters and some of these attitudes still linger on in the 21st century. I've known of atheists who religiously sent their children to Sunday School to ensure they behave in a moral fashion. The joke of it all was the church's outrage when the Government tried to introduce ethics classes to do for public school children what the Sunday school and Scripture lessons had allegedly done beforehand. Especially when the ongoing Royal Commission into child abuse has given such a horrible picture of how untrustworthy and dishonorably some so-called christian leaders in the community have behaved towards children in their care.

I don't know what you mean with the tipping as people employed in shift work and working at weekends, even hospitality staff, still may get penalty rates. If the employer wanted to be open on a weekend or late at night he has to pay time & a half, or double time to make it worth the while for employees to work at odd hours and to sacrifice time others like to spend at home with family. Especially when it is a local pub or canteen rather than a hotel or airport restaurant where visitors are more likely to expect to tip.

Of course a lot has changed in the last few decades with more casual staff & union power less in evidence. But where there is tipping, either it is added onto the bill at the cash register and goes into the employees' general pot to be divvied up equally, or if a sole waiter gets to keep the money after all, it would still have to go on her taxation at the end of the year.

On another topic. Have any of you ever been treated unfairly by a religion or because of your religion?

At the place I worked last year(I will not name it for privacy reasons) I was basically accused of stealing money without evidence(They found out it was someone else later on). I was one of two non-Christians working and the other had been absent on the day of the crime. One of the other works said " It is like one of those non-believers because they think they can get away with stealing". Than the boss was keep close watch on me for weeks. The only thing I have stolen in my life is a biscuit from my mothers fridge. Ha

Edited to add stuff I didn't get the chance to include, because I posted late at night.

IlF, I'm sorry that this sort of thing happened to you. In my experience, this is the sort of lazy and prejudiced thinking that shouldn't belong in Christianity or in any other ethical belief system. Atheists are no more likely to steal than are people of any faith. The other day I heard of a scam where people dressed like Buddhist monks were claiming money to pray for people, which kind of practice is against Buddhist scriptures. Wasn't this the same sort of thing that was practised in the Middle Ages, before Martin Luther & the Reformation? And should we assume that because of this reported scam that Buddhists condone stealing? Obviously not.

The worst religious discrimination I ever encountered was easily that exercised against Lindy Chamberlain in the early 1980's and her baby Azaria Chamberlain. You can find out all about it. There was a book published about it called Evil Angels which made it into a film of the same name, starring Meryl Streep.

Don't get me wrong on this. I've already mentioned I went to Sabbath school because of a custody and access dispute and that is the major reason why I was never happy at the Sabbath school, however interesting and valid their teachings might be. On one occasion one of their teachers saw me passing by when I was out on an access visit with my father. I didn't want to tell my father that my mum had sent me to Sabbath School as I didn't want to discuss it and listen to another tirade of negativity. So I pretended I didn't know who she was, which was a mean thing for me to do, and which must have hurt her.

When I got to high school I also disliked the idea of belonging to a minority Christian group, which didn't have its own scripture group and was often lumped in with Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons or Church of Latter Day Saints, all of whom have been known to go door knocking for missionary reasons, and who are therefore sometimes resented by majority Christians and non-Christians alike. So I got my father to co-operate about allowing me to be confirmed in the faith he and my mother were both brought up in.

But years later, when the Lindy Chamberlain trials began, I found myself having to argue with many people, including family members, who believed a lot of rubbish about the SDA, about child sacrifice and goodness knows what. Probably that was one reason that Lindy was facing an uphill battle to get a fair trial. The press and press commentary was bad enough, but what people cared to believe about them was also somewhat outlandish, and improper. The trouble is, there are often cults established and run for less than worthy motives. And people didn't want to believe the dingo did it.

wagga wrote:

If the [inserted by TOM: Australian] employer wanted to be open on a weekend or late at night he has to pay time & a half, or double time to make it worth the while for employees ...

At the time of this writing a gallon of gasoline ranges from $3.83 to $4.25 US$.

A gallon of milk ranges from $2.50 (on sale) to about $4.00 or just above. Organic milk is about $5.99 (on sale).

The minimum wage in the States is $7.40 per hour.

The minimum wage for waitresses, etc. is $2.13 per hour.

A waitress who works 10 hours a day can earn as little as $21.30 per day, before tips.

Wait staff can in fact lose money working in a restaurant. The day that they are most likely to lose money is -- far and away -- Sunday. The restaurants get clogged with people bristling, "I was nice to Jesus; I don't have to be nice to you."

And that's before they have to pay tax to the Internal Revenue Service for the tip income they "should" have received but didn't.

That's why so many wait staff dread Sundays.

It's interesting that this topic would come up right now as I've recently read about it on a different forum.

That's why so many wait staff dread Sundays.

This point is certainly well-taken and would be backed up by people I know who have had those jobs.

But a bit of clarification for our friends Down Under:

-Many employers do pay overtime (penalty pay) for weekends, holidays, etc. However, as I understand it this doesn't necessarily apply to restaurant staff as they are part-time.

-As I'm sure they do Down Under, commodity prices vary a lot over the US. I pay less for gas (petrol) and milk than TOM mentions. But those figures give a general idea of expenses here.

-While the minimum wage for wait staff is indeed $2.13 per hour, the law requires employers to make up any shortfall between what is earned and the local minimum wage - that is, wait staff should make at least minimum wage. To be sure, there are ways around this (encouraging over-reporting of tips received, for example).

-Lastly, the $2.13 doesn't apply in all states. Many states have a higher wage and some have the same minimum wage for tipped and non-tipped workers (see a list here).

Despite these details, I agree with TOM's assessment that treating wait staff poorly on Sunday (or any other day) reflects poorly on the gospel we claim to preach.

$2.13? an hour no wonder you are all for tipping. Minimum when over 18 and not of an apprenticeship here is around $16/hour and i think $20 once you are 21. I knew you had to tip when I visited the states so my family did but I know a friend who didn't know this, and when they just paid with no tip they were not treated very well.

At the time of this writing a gallon of gasoline ranges from $3.83 to $4.25 US$. A gallon of milk ranges from $2.50 (on sale) to about $4.00 or just above. Organic milk is about $5.99 (on sale). The minimum wage in the States is $7.40 per hour.

The minimum wage for waitresses, etc. is $2.13 per hour. A waitress who works 10 hours a day can earn as little as $21.30 per day, before tips. Wait staff can in fact lose money working in a restaurant. The day that they are most likely to lose money is -- far and away -- Sunday. The restaurants get clogged with people bristling, "I was nice to Jesus; I don't have to be nice to you." And that's before they have to pay tax to the Internal Revenue Service for the tip income they "should" have received but didn't. That's why so many wait staff dread Sundays.

I checked our prices against yours. It isn't easy because we use metric and not imperial. A gallon is 3.78541178 litres. USD $2.50 for a gallon of milk is therefore cheap besides our AUD $2.00 for a 2 litre container of milk. This is a cheap rate from Coles. Other providers might charge more. We'd be spending $4.00 AUD or more for the same gallon of milk you get charged $2.50.

Petrol is also expensive. Thanks to the latest Iraq situation, it has gone up to $1.69 per litre of petrol. Multiply that by 3.785 and you get $6.39775 AUD per gallon. It is worse outside the big cities as in the countryside the chain of supply has to factor in the price of petrol or diesel that is needed to transport goods to some places. I don't know how you calculate your income tax, because tips down here can go through the cash register, along with the payments, and therefore the true picture is reflected in the night's takings, when they are compared with the cash register receipts.

There is a further difficulty in comparisons. An Australian dollar is currently 0.938 of 1 USD.

Like IlF I can see what you mean by the need for tipping. But wages as low as $2.13 an hour would still be considered slave labour here. I've earned more doing letter box drops years ago. And with that there is a chance to bundle up your deliveries to increase the money earned. Do "waitresses" earn the same as "waiters"? Because both men and women are called waiters here. You see, I wondered if the bad attitudes displayed by churchgoers at Sunday dinner were due to sexism. Would they treat a man the same way?

I agree with ILF that wages here can be as low as $16 or $17 per hour, but less is taken out for a casual or part-time worker, such as provisions for sick leave and annual leave. Many university students depend on such casual or part-time labour to pay their way through university, so at the rate of pay you mention they probably would look elsewhere for work. If the Sunday diners can't afford tipping for weekend service, why don't they go home & cook their own Sunday dinner?

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While the original topic ("Christians tipping poorly") was good for discussion in this thread, the conversation is getting off-topic for CRP and entering something more appropriate for the Cultural Curiosity thread (comparing different countries' wait staff policies). You can carry on a related discussion over there, but this is a reminder to redirect the conversation to something CRP-relevant.

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I ran across something interesting recently and figured I would post it here to see if any of you had any thoughts on it.

In 2 Samuel 24:1-10, we read that the anger of the Lord was burning against the nation of Israel, and God incited David against his people, saying "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah." David tells Joab and the army commanders to go and number the fighting men. They object, but David overrules them, and so they set off to carry out the task. After they return, David realizes that he has sinned in what he has done and asks God to take away his guilt.

Later, in 1 Chronicles 21:1-8, the same incident is recounted, except this time, the chapter begins with saying that Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take the census of Israel. Again, Joab objects to it, and again, David overrules him. (It says, however, that Joab did not include Levi and Benjamin in the counting, because David's command was repulsive to him, and that "this command was also evil in the sight of God".) Again, when the census is done, David realizes that he has sinned greatly and asks God to take away his guilt.

The same word is used for "incite" in both instances; those two verses are the only times that particular form of suth is used in the Bible.

What do you guys make of this seeming contradiction? The idea of God inciting David to sin seems to fly in the face of James 1:13. The second recounting of the incident makes it clear that the numbering of Israel was evil in the eyes of God and leads the reader to believe that the command didn't come from God at all. So, what's going on here? Are these verses indicative of evolution in the Jewish understanding of God, His ways and His nature?

I hope the mods don't mind if I redirect the "tipping" question away from the economics and cultural aspects and re-focus on the "why Christians are such a holy terror on Sundays" situation. The website I mentioned was so heavily trafficked that part of it crashed/has to be rebuilt or some such. The stories survived ... as a 27-page thread.

We who know long long a Christianity, Religion and Philosophy thread can get know just how long 27 pages is.

Twenty-seven pages of Christians behaving badly to those who can't fight back:

*they put the tip into the offering plate "to save your soul; you must be so happy about that." One waiter got 23 written notes stating that 23 people had done this ...

*it's "against their religion" to spend money on Sundays, so they visit the same bakery every Sunday (to eat free brunch in the form of eating all of the samples), and of course failing to return Monday through Saturday to purchase anything...

*showing up after the business is closed demanding to be served, then doing it again next week, and the next ...

*"forgot my wallet; will pay next time" and never do ...

*claiming the food was horrible (althought they ate it all) to try to get out of paying ...

*a customer/bully who intimidated so many employees that one of them maced her ... (I never heard if the macer got to ride in the car with the flashy lights to the Graybar Motel for that).

In the film "Life is Beautiful," a character observes that:

You're here serving, you're not a servant. Serving is the supreme art. God is the first of servants. God serves men, but He's not a servant to men.

As John 13:1-17 so beautifully illustrates.

I wonder if the Christians who behave so badly at Sunday brunch realize that Jesus is indeed in the restaurant with them, but He would be helping the wait staff to serve, rather than being at the table being served.

I say this as someone who was not innocent. I was never taught tipping as a child -- the parental units were going through a fundie phase at the time -- and didn't know what tips were until I was an adult and a waitress asked me what she did wrong (i.e., nothing). I didn't mean to rip off people, but I did. Wait staff, hairdressers, pet groomers, the lot. It's embarrassing.

As re. wagga's question, whether it was sexism, I think it's the helplessness of the wait staff first, gender second. About a third of the posters on "Sundays are the worst" are men.

The Davidic census is a puzzle that we may not be able to completely resolve. The verses concerning it are problematic, but perhaps not in the way that seems most obvious. The reason for the plague itself is explained by the command in Exodus 30:11-16. As for whether God or Satan inspired the disastrous census, that can be resolved one of two ways.

(1) "Satan" in 1 Chronicles 21 is not a proper noun (it often isn't--some would argue never is--in the Old Testament). It simply means "adversary" and refers to God, who was opposed to David during this period.

(2) Satan proper acted directly against David, but because God allowed it, he was attributed agency in 2 Samuel.

In either case, God is clearly designated the ultimate agent here, and hence the biggest problem is theological: whether God "incites" sin. The introduction of the adversary, by explanation (2), would seem to remove some of the natural theological difficulties--perhaps the intent of the chronicler. As final cause and omnipotent, God could be "blamed" for just about any happening, even if the immediate agent was acting through free choice and chose evil, because God permitted it within his Divine plan.

But it's still troubling. At the very least, God was intent on chastising David and Israel for some latent sinfulness; moving David toward the census may have been a means of exposing this, making the punishment more effective by attaching it to a clear action. David's very act of sin brought remorse, even before the discipline.

A Christocentric approach to the passage might parallel David's census and the census of Augustus.... But I've not read anything on it or thought much about it, so I probably shouldn't comment here.

The concept of infants going to hell is repellant to me. It was horrible before I had a kid but now the concept is horrific now that I do have one, and so I tend to be a bit more protective of my Sarah than I probably would be without. There's nothing in Scripture that really says one way or the other where the soul of a child goes, and it falls smack dab into a grey area of sorts. I have to believe in my heart that given Christ's special love for little kids that there would be a special grace granted to them that we just don't know about. The alternative is simply too awful to contemplate.

I Believe That if an infant dies it will not go to hell because it does not understand right from wrong, it is to young. I am not a parent so i do not know but when do children start to learn that sort of thing? I believe that as soon as they are the age that they can understand that will not "just not go to hell" that they will go to hell if they die. I can't say about what the bible says because I do notknow it that well...but that is what I think.

* pokes the CR&P post with an eleven foot pole and eyes it warily *

This is not so much a theological question as...well, research. I'm currently working on rewriting my church's Sunday School curriculum for our Pre-K and K students. This is because the original curriculum is, frankly, a disaster, and each teacher has had to build their own curriculum based off of the original. The problem with this, of course, is that any incoming teacher suddenly has to build all of their own stuff, or augment it off of all the other teacher's resources. Great for building a strong teacher network, really bad for keeping new teachers for more than a month or two.

And, by rewriting the curriculum, I actually mean I'm creating a curriculum and adding some crafts and stuff from the resources of the teacher network.

I already have, of course, about two months worth of lessons covering the bare gospel essentials (read: the full Christmas story and the full Easter story), as well as probably another month covering the early church (the conversion of Cornelius and Peter's dream, and etc), but this leaves me with about 40 weeks of blank space. Obviously, I could start at the beginning of the Bible and work through it chronologically, but I was wondering (especially from those of you who might have younger children), what Biblical stories you feel are essential for kids to learn? Why do you feel they are so important? What sorts of things do you feel are missing from most curricula?

I hope the mods don't mind if I redirect the "tipping" question away from the economics and cultural aspects and re-focus on the "why Christians are such a holy terror on Sundays" situation. The website I mentioned was so heavily trafficked that part of it crashed/has to be rebuilt or some such. The stories survived ... as a 27-page thread.

Goodness, some of those stories are horrid. Probably the worst of it is the idea that some of the patrons are treating the wait staff with disdain because they're working on Sunday... good grief. If you really don't approve of people working on Sunday, then don't go to commercial establishments on that day.

The reason for the plague itself is explained by the command in Exodus 30:11-16.

Thank you very much for pointing that out; knowing some of the context is helpful. Also, thanks for the "adversary" theory—I had seen that Satan was translated as such in some Bible versions, but I'd forgotten.

In either case, God is clearly designated the ultimate agent here, and hence the biggest problem is theological: whether God "incites" sin. The introduction of the adversary, by explanation (2), would seem to remove some of the natural theological difficulties--perhaps the intent of the chronicler. As final cause and omnipotent, God could be "blamed" for just about any happening, even if the immediate agent was acting through free choice and chose evil, because God permitted it within his Divine plan.

But it's still troubling. At the very least, God was intent on chastising David and Israel for some latent sinfulness; moving David toward the census may have been a means of exposing this, making the punishment more effective by attaching it to a clear action. David's very act of sin brought remorse, even before the discipline.

When I ran across it at first, it reminded me a little of Pharoah in Exodus where God hardens Pharoah's heart and he persists in disobedience. Still, I get the impression from that incident that God wasn't "hardening" Pharoah's heart to do something contrary to what he would have chosen of his own free will, but rather the fortitude to do what he wanted to do, which was to prevent God's people from leaving Egypt at any cost. It seems that God did this to 1) perform signs and wonders to the people of Egypt, and 2) to show Pharoah the consequences of his sinful desires.

Still, that seems a bit different than the situation with David. It's possible that David already wanted to take the census, but just didn't have the nerve to do it, and inciting is tantamount to hardening. That's only speculation, though. Further, incite doesn't really seem to be a synonym for harden, but perhaps I'm nitpicking.

It's also possible that when God says, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah", it's like the parent that finally says to the disobedient son or daughter, "Fine, you haven't listened to me: now go and have your way, and see what happens." The freedom to make the choice, but not the freedom to escape the consequences.

But again, that's speculation. I think you're right when you say that this could be a conundrum that Bible readers may not be able to fully resolve. There just does not seem to be enough information to draw a strong conclusion.

I can't say about what the bible says because I do notknow it that well...but that is what I think.

Hi there CaptainM! Welcome to CR&P. If you're ever interested in studying the Bible, I definitely recommend a site called BibleHub.com. It's a great resource and has been a tremendous help in my personal Bible study.

Obviously, I could start at the beginning of the Bible and work through it chronologically, but I was wondering (especially from those of you who might have younger children), what Biblical stories you feel are essential for kids to learn? Why do you feel they are so important? What sorts of things do you feel are missing from most curricula?

Well, I definitely don't have any young children, but I do recall going to Sunday school as a little girl, and looking back, I've found myself rather disappointed. I don't think the experience did me very much good, at least in terms of introducing me to some of the teachings of Jesus. It's possible I was just too caught up in my own world to pay proper attention, but I think I would have liked hearing more of Jesus's parables, like the Parable of the Prodigal Son, the Good Samaritan, the Sheep and the Goats, et cetera. Obviously, presented in a way that kids can easily understand, but still, that would have been nice. Kids love stories, so it seems to me that they could be an especially effective way to introduce some of Jesus's teachings.

Edit: I had originally included a new discussion topic at the end of this post, but seeing as it relates to the theology of C.S. Lewis, Lady Arwen suggested that I post it in the Man Behind the Wardrobe subforum. In case the topic might be of interest to anyone, here's the link, along with a handy, self-explanatory title: C.S. Lewis's Views on Purgatory.