Quick note on global warming. That's pretty much a big joke which is far more politics seeking more control than any real science. Is the planet warming? Yes it is. In comparison to what? Yesterday? 30 years ago? We've only been keeping track for 150 years, nowhere near enough time to assess the large scale global warming/cooling patterns. And while humans have added to the problem (I do believe in good stewardship of our resources.), a single volcanic eruption adds more greenhouse gases and such than what America has ever done combined. It is also interesting to note that the hole in the ozone is actually under a volcano in Antarctica. Population? 0.

The hole in the Ozone layer is above the volcano in Antarctica which is Mt Erebus, which isn't active. The Chilean ones are active, of course, and when one erupted last year, it stopped air traffic to and from Argentina, New Zealand, and southern Australia. It was here. Just as Icelandic volcano emissions ended up interfering with European air traffic last April and the previous year.

Actually the hole in the Ozone layer covers Antarctica, not just a volcano, and surrounding waters. And there are people in Antarctica, though they are a rare nationality called International scientists, some of whom are Australian in origin. Some passing tourists, also. I've flown there, myself. We've given up using CFC's in refrigerators etc, but I'm wondering at what point the hole in the Ozone layer will start to heal up.

At least the volcanoes have dust clouds that help cool the place down a little, and their emissions rarely contain dangerous gases that linger and harm the atmosphere as can be the case with industrial sites, not only in USA. A couple of years ago, in 2009, when we had the Victorian Bushfires, I could have sworn there was Global Warming. And all that drought and bush fire commentary in Texas a month or two ago on NarniaWeb, doesn't suggest to me that Global warming is a figment of politicians' imaginations either.

What we need to do is to hope and pray that the Good Lord will guide us, and especially our leaders, deliver us and preserve us from our own folly in thinking we don't have to husband finite resources, that we aren't answerable to anyone else, and that there is no need to start behaving like the stewards and protectors of God's creation as was originally meant for us to do. Lest by our actions we turn this present Earth into the very Hell that Minotaur for Aslan would not want to go to, and doesn't believe in.

By the way, weather recordings have been kept in Sydney since 1788 by Watkin Tench and Lieutenant Dawes who established a still-working observatory here, on the shores of Port Jackson at Circular Quay. That is more than 150 years ago. In 2009 we had record-breaking heat in February. Other ways of calculating weather patterns over the centuries include the growth of tree-rings, and ice-cores taken from Antarctica, and from Northern Greenland among other places. The last time Greenland weather was this mild was between 1000 AD and 1200 AD, when Eirik the Red and his son Leif Erikson founded settlements there.

A couple of years ago, in 2009, when we had the Victorian Bushfires, I could have sworn there was Global Warming.

This is one of the very reasons I don't buy into Global Warming. Any disciple of the Church of Global Warming can point at any weird weather or climate condition and say "that's Global Warming in action". And I've seen them say it over and over again. The bigger reason I don't believe in it is because no where in the Bible (even in Revelation where such global catastrophes should run rampant) does it describe much that could be caused by alleged warming. And I mean that's the end of times (the melting of the polar caps, etc.) according to adherents in the Global Warming Faith.

So anytime there's some unusual weather condition "it's global warming" becomes the mantra. When it's unusually cold they say it's "global warming". When nothing is happening they still tell us it's "global warming". There's hot gasses alright, and it's not coming from lack of ozone. [/rant]

I believe Global Warming is bunk but that's no excuse to disrespect God's Earth (as some Christians tend to do). The Great Flood happened several thousand years ago, which was then followed by an Ice Age. But that is very different. Global Warming is a revenue raising piece of rubbish that makes the Earth our focus of worship and not God. It puts plants and animals and the well-being of our planet above the lives of the people around us. That's not cool, that's crap.

The bigger reason I don't believe in it is because no where in the Bible (even in Revelation where such global catastrophes should run rampant) does it describe much that could be caused by alleged warming.

1. 2 Peter 3. Talks about the Earth ending in fire.

2. Revelations 6: 3-8. That is the text to look up, but the link explains it just as it was explained to me as a child.

3. "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places" (Matthew 24:7).

Enough said. Global warming is one reason, and a distinctly hot and fiery reason at that, for such catastrophes to occur. And there is no such thing as 'the church of global warming'. Merely a bunch of people scoffing about the implications, whether they believe in God or not. Or else some people trying to get in early with the scamming the online article mentions.

Again, who is to say that these verses are definitive proof of Global Warming? How do you explain the sea turning into blood? Comet strikes? Painful boils? At no point does God say, "And the seas rose and civilizations sunk" in Revelation...I mean that is the centerpiece of the Global Warming Religion (and it is as much a belief system for a segment of people in this world as Christianity is to you and I). I mean how does Earth Worship mix with Christian doctrine? Like W4J says I think we have a responsibility to care for God's Creation as best as we can, but isn't it also our responsibility to be "innocent as sheep, wise as serpents" with regards to things of this world? Aren't we supposed to be able to see truth for what it is and not get caught up in faux religious fairy tales?

Easy religion to get into too, whenever there's famines, pestilences, or earthquakes, just turn to the person next to you and say it's all because of Global Warming, not God's Plan.

God is omniscient, as well as all-powerful. He created us, and knows after the fall and the flood, just how arrogant and brazen we could become. In God's plan for the world I'm sure that He included Global Warming plus all that it might lead to. Especially famine, pestilence, war and death.

I don't see the threat of Global warming as anything to do with New Age touchy feely Earth mother things. I see it more to do with bad political decisions made by those in power which I am not at liberty to discuss here. As W4J says, you don't have to believe in global warming to acknowledge that the Earth, itself, God's creation, should be treated with care and respect.

How many planets are there in the universe we could migrate to in a pinch, do you think?

In God's plan for the world I'm sure that He included Global Warming plus all that it might lead to. Especially famine, pestilence, war and death.

That's speculation based upon a fairly recent "science" craze. Where there is money, just as you would see in many other professions, there too you will find people willing to say what will get them money. And the movement is very unforgiving of any opposing viewpoint lest it damage the money making machine that is Green Living. And people like to think the "military-industrial complex" was bad! To top it off we're still not sure what effects Global Warming would even have. There are many who believe it would actually help with food production rather than harm it.

I don't see the threat of Global warming as anything to do with New Age touchy feely Earth mother things.

Then you need to open up a newspaper, turn on a TV show, or just plain walk downtown and see advertisements. I see it everywhere. Our culture is saturated in it and I'm not sure how anyone with an eye to look for it couldn't see it.

As W4J says, you don't have to believe in global warming to acknowledge that the Earth, itself, God's creation, should be treated with care and respect.

He also called it "crap" and "bunk", don't forget that part. And I don't deny that we have a responsibility as stewards of the Earth to care after God's Creation and said as much. I just refuse to try and smash the latest scientific "flavor of the month" with Christianity unless I'm sure it's meant to be mashed together.

He created us, and knows after the fall and the flood, just how arrogant and brazen we could become.

Given your previous disregard (on largely scientific grounds) for the Book of Genesis I must view your sudden embracing of the Fall and Flood as fact as rather strange. Or are you taking them as figurative incidents?

I don't see the threat of Global warming as anything to do with New Age touchy feely Earth mother things.

Then you need to open up a newspaper, turn on a TV show, or just plain walk downtown and see advertisements. I see it everywhere. Our culture is saturated in it and I'm not sure how anyone with an eye to look for it couldn't see it.

The Global Warming issue is very popular with the New Age Earthy crowd. But that doesn't necessarily make it untrue. And it doesn't make it a strictly New Age Earthy issue, just because those sorts of people like it.

Now, I'm not saying I believe in Global Warming. Truth is, I don't have nearly enough info about it to have an opinion either way. But one thing is, just because a certain group quite likes a certain idea or issue, that doesn't mean that idea or issue strictly belongs to them. It can still be true aside from them.

For example, Christianity. There are some pretty awful people who believe in Christianity and so give it a bad name. But just because some disagreeable people like it, that doesn't make Christianity any less true. It's still true apart from those people. The same can be said with other things.

Maybe even Global Warming?

~Riella

Global warming is fact, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. This conspiracy must go deep.

And I don't have any time for Earth Mothers, tree-hugging or other vacuous idolizations of Pure Pristine Nature. But it's fact. Temperatures are rising and so is the sea level, and we, human beings, are almost certainly a cause.

I find it interesting that this topic has come up here, because it strikes me as distinctly political. Honestly, who would care about this if not for the political side?

Heads up guys... Politics and Political discussion are not allowed on the forum because it is such a touchy topic. Global warming and conspiracy type discussion is definitely political. Please keep the discussion politic free.

Quick note on global warming. That's pretty much a big joke which is far more politics seeking more control than any real science. Is the planet warming? Yes it is. In comparison to what? Yesterday? 30 years ago? We've only been keeping track for 150 years, nowhere near enough time to assess the large scale global warming/cooling patterns. And while humans have added to the problem (I do believe in good stewardship of our resources.), a single volcanic eruption adds more greenhouse gases and such than what America has ever done combined. It is also interesting to note that the hole in the ozone is actually under a volcano in Antarctica. Population? 0.

This is what I have been trying to get at when I explain it to people but none of them listen. So i give up and think they can believe what they want because it makes no difference to me. The "'globe" has cooled and heated throughout history and what's so different this time?

sorry if thats political.

I'm not a firm believer in Global Warming but I don't doubt it exists either. I wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't judge Global Warming based on the people who represent it though (there's a good chance I wouldn't believe in Christianity if I did that). It may be time for a lesson in bulverism.

A quick thought on the fault line topic: Isn't it possible that God, in His infinite wisdom, placed sinful nations on the fault lines in Old Testament times?

Topic change, go!

So, to see what everyone here thinks, I ask: What role do you believe our feelings should play in our relationship with God?