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Liberty Hoffman
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Before the summer ends I really want to read Inkdeath by Cornelia Funke. I fell in love with Inkheart and was impressed with the direction the story of Inkspell went (although I think that Funke used a great many pages to tell a very simple tale), so I'm intrigued to see how she's going to end the series.

I love Inkheart too! I fell in love with it at once and I love reading it aloud (oh, the irony! :P )
Inkspell is good, but I didn't like it quite as much as Inkheart, though I re-read it recently and liked it better than the first time I read it.
I, in my own private opinion, did not like Inkdeath at all. to me it was depressing and full of really sad stuff. I did finish the whole thing so I could get all of the story, but the end was dissapointing to me after the awesomeness of the first two. I would love to hear what you think of it once you've read it!


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Posted : August 11, 2010 9:15 am
joy93
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I just started reading the Hobbit a couple of days ago, and i love it :D ;) :) Really a great book so far

Posted : August 11, 2010 12:40 pm
DiGoRyKiRkE
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Much to the dismay of my fellow mods, I disliked The Hobbit. I thought that the plotline was pretty good, but I thought it was such an anticlimax. Cramming 12 main characters into a book is NOT my cup of tea. I was lost amongst all of the dwarves, and therefore

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felt no emotion at all when one of them died.
Overall, I think I went into the book with rather unrealistic expectations.

There was also something about Tolkien's writing style that just didn't mesh with the writing style to which I am used. People say that C.S. Lewis is something like "Tokien knockoff," but I say it's the other way around. I don't think Narnia gets near enough credit as it should. Better than LOTR IMHO (but that's another conversation that belongs to a different thread, which is currently running in TAN)

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Posted : August 11, 2010 1:20 pm
narnian1
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Shantih,
Oh boy! it would kill me if one of my books got as torn as that one, or for that matter even just a little. I take extra care of my books- paperback is only for shorter type books, long books are a must hardback. My family all refuse to borrow my books because I am so sensitive with them- books I've read countless times still look as new books. :p

DiGoRyKiRkE,
The Hobbit was the first Tolkien book I read, surpringly it was around the time that TTT was nearing its theater run. (I had no idea what LotR was, and I was 16yrs old). It was my birthday and my sister wanted to buy me a gift, I saw The Hobbit, the cover looked interesting (the green book), I chose that. Loved the book! It was once I finished it that it recommended LOTR and I was like "OH! so this is what LOTR is!" I previously expected it to be some sort of movie like Gladiator or Troy. I hadn't seen the previews on tv.

LOTR is better in every way almost than The Hobbit, and I found that they are really different from each other. Had I read LotR first I probably wouldn't have been able to get through The Hobbit since much of the material was covered in the trilogy.

Posted : August 11, 2010 2:52 pm
DiGoRyKiRkE
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My family all refuse to borrow my books because I am so sensitive with them

My family aren't allowed to read my books! Having worked in the bindery/processing section of my local library for nearly three years, I've seen the damage that books can endure. I never open my books more than half-way, lest the spine break.

I actually heard from one of the publishers with whom we were in contact, that books today are made to be read two times before they start to fall apart. It's quite sad that we have books from 1700 that are in better condition then books printed last week :(

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Posted : August 11, 2010 3:00 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Narnian1, I'm a bit fanatical when it comes to keeping my books in great condition too but I doubt Shantih has trampled her copy of The Stand into the condition it is now. It's more likely that she's read the book so much that it's just wearing away.

Shantih, yes, I'm not saying it's a bad cover, rather that it seems very random considering the story. I get the dichotomy of good versus evil but it seems the cover artist just wanted to tie it in with Star Wars or something similar. Then again, it seems that in the late 70's and early 80's books and movies were notorious for being associated with things that had nothing to do with them. It could even be a case of the cover artist not having properly read the novel.
Then again, the bird-headed man with the scythe could evoke the themes of plague and mass death, ala the Black Death and bird-beaked masks some wore -see below:

I was just curious and it seems I can't find any discussion about the cover on the Net. Still, thanks for your help.

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Posted : August 11, 2010 3:23 pm
narnian1
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I never open my books more than half-way, lest the spine break

It's good to know someone else like that. That's exactly why they don't borrow from me, I tell them not to open it more than half-way, oh- and I sit somewhere around them just to see they don't accidentally for get and do it

Narnian1, I'm a bit fanatical when it comes to keeping my books in great condition too but I doubt Shantih has trampled her copy of The Stand into the condition it is now. It's more likely that she's read the book so much that it's just wearing away.

oh I have no doubts that that is what happened. I never figured it was "trampled" on. :)

Posted : August 11, 2010 3:35 pm
Silver the Wanderer
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I almost never lend out my books for fear of them being damaged. (When I do lend them, it's to a person who's just as protective as I am. :p ) I hate it when my paperbacks get those crease lines on the spine, and if one of the corners gets bent, I freak out. ;)) Whenever I stick them into a purse or bag, I make sure to put them in nicely so as not to bend them or (in the case of the hardbacks) dent up their pretty book covers. Usually I'll take the book cover off my book before it leaves the house.

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Posted : August 11, 2010 4:31 pm
Shantih
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The book was indeed not trampled, just old and well loved. My older sister (also a huge King fan) got it in 1991 when that particular edition was released, and read it several times including taking it on a trip around the US, and it was then given to me in more or less it's current condition ;)) I try to be careful with it because I don't want to replace it, but there comes a point with paperback where once they start falling apart there's little you can do to persuade them not to, hence the cellotape :P

I'm fairly careful with my books, some more than others. I don't get bothered by creased spines or covers getting a bit bent, but I hate plain old careless damage. I don't lend them to people because I've had books given back (despite my ominous warnings) with wine rings staining the pages, hopelessly bent covers, and other such horrors... some not even returned at all! Never again.

W4J - Interesting, I didn't think of those masks! You're quite right, it's fairly likely that the illustrator didn't have full knowledge of the book. Quite often, especially with books that length, publishers will just give the illustrator a synopsis to work from. It saves a lot of time, but does mean there's a lot of slightly irrelevant book covers out there...;))

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Posted : August 12, 2010 7:51 am
sillygoose
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sandyentersnarnia, if you're reading greek mythology I recommend the one by Edith Hamilton. I had to read it for school and at first I absolutly hated it, but in the end it turned out to be a pretty good read. Made the work go by a lot faster.

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Posted : August 12, 2010 8:13 am
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Quite often, especially with books that length, publishers will just give the illustrator a synopsis to work from. It saves a lot of time, but does mean there's a lot of slightly irrelevant book covers out there...;))

Isn't that the truth! I remember reading in a Tolkien biography (about 10 years ago), that when The Hobbit was first published in paperback in America, it had inappropriate cover art.


Ballantine Books. Published August 16, 1965. 288 pages.

I couldn't find a clearer photo but it seems the artist, Barbara Remington was enjoying the 'perks' of the 60's too much or she plain just didn't read the book. The cover features a lion and two two emu-like birds, along with a strange tree with round pink fruit.

Wow.

I don't remember reading about those in The Hobbit. Do you?
That's probably one of the better examples out there but goes to prove a point doesn't it? Make sure that the artist has some idea of what your book is about!

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Posted : August 12, 2010 3:55 pm
Meltintalle
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I actually heard from one of the publishers with whom we were in contact, that books today are made to be read two times before they start to fall apart.

:( That's worse than renting a movie, considering the price of a new book...

*decides to defend the 60's Hobbit cover* Let's see... it's supposed to depict the valley of Rivendell, and what could be more peaceful than a lion and two emu? ... ;)) Seriously, most of what I've read on the subject says that many authors have little or no control over what goes on their cover. Other than that I totally agree about the artist needing to have some idea of what's going on, and a good physical description of the characters depicted... ;))

I finished Lord Sunday, the final volume in Garth Nix's Keys to the Kingdom series. Not being a patient person, I'm very happy I waited until the series was complete before I read it. :)

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Posted : August 12, 2010 4:08 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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DiGs, that's awfully dishonest of them. I read most of my books more than twice and most don't fall apart. Some do though and that really frustrates me.

Meltintalle, yes, it's rather interesting, isn't it?
I've found an interview with Barbara Remington, the erm... memorable cover artist behind the interesting cover of The Hobbit (in my post above).

http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/wiw ... +Interview

I asked about the story behind her cover art.
“I worked for Ballantine, and as a practice, always read the books before doing the artwork. I didn’t have this luxury with the Tolkien Books, something I wish I could have changed. Ballantine was in a hurry to get these books out right away. When they commissioned me to do the artwork, I didn’t have the chance to see either book, though I tried to get a copy through my friends. So I didn’t know what they were about. I tried finding people that had read them, but the books were not readily available in the states, and so I had sketchy information at best.”
As noted above, Barbara did make sketches relative to the books, afterwards, but she couldn’t get the publishers to see the point, something which is very regretful.

She laughs about the story behind the picture for The Hobbit which includes a Fruit Tree and Lion. She says,
“When Tolkien saw the Fruit Tree, he asked, “What are pumpkins doing in a tree?" Of course they weren’t pumpkins, but he wasn’t sure what they were. I laughed, but understood he’d wanted the picture to reflect what was in his books. He was especially perplexed about the lion on the cover, because there are no lions in the story. He requested that Ballantine remove the lions from the cover, so they painted them over for later books. The earliest books were released with the lion covers.”
We laughed about the collector value of the “Lion Books.”

Barbara explained the craziness surrounding the release of the Lord of the Rings books.
“Ace books released an unauthorised edition of The Fellowship of the Ring, without Tolkien’s permission. There were some questionable copy laws that weren’t universally accepted. Ballantine bought the rights to the three books from Tolkien, and wanted to beat Ace before they had a chance to release the second two books of the series. So Ballantine authorised the release of all three books at once. This was unheard of. They came to me saying, “We want you to draw all three cover pictures now.” And this was sight unseen.”

She was put back in the same place she had been with The Hobbit, having the pressure to draw blind without seeing either book,
“There wasn’t any time. They wanted them right away, and I had to draw all the covers at once.”

Wow. Honestly. She goes some way to defending herself but still, what kind of publisher doesn't provide their artist with a copy of the book to read before-hand?

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Posted : August 12, 2010 4:24 pm
Silver the Wanderer
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;)) That Hobbit cover made me laugh. My first thought was, "Lion? Umm, wrong Inkling?" ;) My second was, "That tree looks like something from Dr. Seuss."

Just a quick tidbit for Percy Jackson fans: if you pre-order The Lost Hero from Barnes and Noble (here), you can get it autographed by Rick Riordan. :D

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Posted : August 12, 2010 4:42 pm
Bookwyrm
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I was browsing Amazon and discovered that they have Mockingjay, the last book in the Hunger Games trilogy, available for pre-sale at $8.45! :D Don't usually pre-order books, but I can't pass that up.

Posted : August 12, 2010 6:54 pm
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