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[Closed] What Did Ramandu's Daughter Try to Say?

narnian_at_heart
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I was just listening to The Silver Chair audio drama and I noticed something. When the owls are telling Eustace and Jill about how the prince dissapeared, the old owl telling the story says:

As long as the life was in her (meaning the Queen, Ramandu's daughter), she seemed to be trying to tell him (meaning Prince Rilian) something. But she couldn't speak clearly and whatever her message was, she died without delivering it.

parentheses added by me

I wonder what Ramandu's daughter was trying to tell him. I think it might have had something to do with the serpent. Perhaps the serpent changed into the Lady of the Green Kirtle when she stung the Queen and then changed into the serpent when she slid away and the Queen was trying to tell Rilian that. It's not a super important part of the story but it is interesting that Lewis put that in yet there's nothing about it later in the story. Why did Lewis put that in?

I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on this.

Topic starter Posted : December 9, 2009 12:16 pm
Lady Galadriel
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I believe that Ramda knew, somehow, that the serpent was really a Witch. (Perhaps her star's blood helped her have an intuition of some sort.) I always thought that she was trying to warn Rilian, "Don't pursue the serpent."

Posted : December 9, 2009 2:39 pm
Lucy P.
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I thought RD might just be trying to tell Rilian that she loved him, but now it does seem probable that it was something about the serpent.


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Posted : December 12, 2009 3:31 am
Liberty Hoffman
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hmmmmm.....
maybe RD was trying to say that she had gotten poisoned and died before she could say it.....


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Posted : December 12, 2009 6:11 am
narnian_at_heart
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Well, they knew she had been poisoned because they saw the serpent gliding away.

Topic starter Posted : December 12, 2009 8:13 am
Glenstorm the Great
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I think she was trying to tell him about the LOTGK turning into a serpent and killing her, to beware...

Posted : December 21, 2009 1:13 pm
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I always assumed it was something to do with the LOTGK, that RD somehow knew that, like Lady Galadriel said, Rillian should not pursue the serpent.

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Posted : December 22, 2009 6:41 pm
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I believe that Ramda knew, somehow, that the serpent was really a Witch. (Perhaps her star's blood helped her have an intuition of some sort.) I always thought that she was trying to warn Rilian, "Don't pursue the serpent."

Hmm, that's probably true, I always thought she was saying something about the serpent.


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Posted : December 23, 2009 1:11 am
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I'm going to have to agree with Lucy P. A mother's dying words wouldn't be about revenge or her murderer. It would have been expressing departing love.

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Posted : January 1, 2010 9:54 am
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A mother's dying words wouldn't be about revenge or her murderer. It would have been expressing departing love.

I agree, although wouldn't it be loving to warn her son?


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Posted : January 2, 2010 1:36 am
narnia_lover127
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She could have been trying to warn him, but i think that being that she was his mother, she would be telling him that she loved him

or have you forgotten who really defeated the White Witch,Peter~Lucy

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Posted : January 7, 2010 1:07 pm
Lady of the Narnians
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Maybe, she was trying to tell him to run.

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Posted : January 8, 2010 2:13 pm
[wrath]
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Hmmm... I've always wondered about this too...

I believe that she appeared to RD as her human form, then turned into a serpent as she bit and poisoned her. Then RD tried to maybe tell Rilian that she loved him, and that the serpent was really a woman/witch. :p

But then of course, we don't know much, and the LotGK could have spoken to RD before she bit her for all we know! :-

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Posted : January 18, 2010 12:31 pm
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