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DiGoRyKiRkE wrote:So she could be a dryad, or a naiad, or any number of long-lived creatures that was a sort of "underground monarch" during the reign of the white witch, and the Pevensies.

But, "Narnia was never right unless a Son of Adam was king." I'm assuming this includes humans as queens as well. A major problem was never mentioned during her reign, leading one to beleive that she had to be human.

Not necessarily: King Frank and Queen Helen and their children live happily in Narnia and their second son became King of Archenland. The boys married nymphs and the girls married wood-gods and river-gods. MN, The End of This Story

If she lived before the time of the White Witch, she could very easily have been a nymph, or at least part nymph. However, I have found a few other discrepancies with the timeline that don't quite line up with the books leading me to think it was a draft. Such as: 1. Edmund was born in 1930, Lucy was born in 1932. The books state that there was only a year's difference between them (that one could be argued depending on what month they were born in). 2. Caspian's voyage occurs in 2306-7. He doesn't marry Ramandu's Daughter until 2310. Arguably, they could have waited to get married and have Caspian court RD. But, Caspian does not sail that far again until SC. Would RD really sail with Caspian before they were married?

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Posted : February 18, 2010 10:51 am
Varnafinde
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At the end of VDT it says,

Caspian and his men all came safely back to Ramandu's Island. And the three lords woke from their sleep. Caspian married Ramandu's daughter and they all reached Narnia in the end, and she became a great queen and the mother and grandmother of great kings.

This seems to confirm that Caspian married RD before the sailed back to Narnia.
Another case where the timeline doesn't fit with the facts of the books, then.


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Posted : February 19, 2010 1:00 pm
wolfloversk
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Interesting Varnafinde, then perhaps we should rely more on the books than the timeline, and assume that Jewel was correct.

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Posted : February 19, 2010 2:25 pm
DiGoRyKiRkE
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I agree with you 100% wolfloversk. I have never trusted the timeline, because it was written by somebody other than Jack Lewis, therefore, it does not come from the mind of C.S. Lewis. Also, it was done several years after his death, so that it couldn't even be corroborated with his account of the story.

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Posted : February 23, 2010 12:06 pm
kaleidoscopeyes
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I think a good explanation for all the discrepancies found in the Chronicles, is that perhaps these stories were all oral histories in Narnia before they were eventually put into written form (remember in TSC when Jill and Eustace listened to someone tell 'The Horse and His Boy'?) and therefore are prone to the mistakes made when a story is repeated, and repeated, from story teller, to listener, to the next, etc. (ever played 'telephone'?)

I think that Lewis was scholar enough to never forget that his own Christian bible was this sort of text...(and therefore full of contradictions and mistakes)...

And BTW, if you read the CoN in the original order, these discrepancies are much less obvious...

*I would just like to note, that my dearest Coracle (who I love) is making a statement of BELIEF in the following post, not FACT--which is just fine by me, but should be recognized as such.

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Posted : March 8, 2010 7:42 am
coracle
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Kaleidoscopeyes, that sounds like a very authentic reason for stories varying within the world of Narnia. Jack Lewis was scholar enough to know that oral traditions were often maintained intact for long periods, and also scholar enough to know that his Bible did NOT become altered like a game of whispers. (PM me sometime if you'd like to discuss it)

DigoryKirke, we understand that the timeline was in fact written by Jack, but it was not published until it was included in Mr Hooper's book "Past Watchful Dragons".
Nobody has been able to disprove Mr Hooper's claim that it was Jack's work.

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Posted : March 8, 2010 10:08 pm
HM Swanwhite
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I love this character, though she be a minor one! And as you can see I used her name as my user name!! :p

I personally think this is either a slip-up of Jack's or that he never got round to amending his timeline. Though the idea of two Swanwhite's is interesting I do not feel it is what Jack meant or he would have mentioned both of them. I'm a bit of a purist so don't mind me. I'm okay with just one Swanwhite. I think perhaps when Jewel was relating the story of her that he didn't necessarily no more than he said or he would have said it (or perhaps it just wasn't recorded in the book ;) ).

Swanwhite's reputation or claim to fame and remembrance was through her reflection in the pool - didn't it also say it was like a light? Sorry, haven't read the book in awhile. :)

Another interesting character mentioned at the same time was Moonhare! Also very cool. I think they were noted and remembered more for their extraordinary abilities or characteristics more than anything else.


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Posted : March 19, 2010 5:12 pm
DamselJillPole
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I think it was a simple mistake that he had forgotten that or she could be immortal. lol! I know very unlikely. Obviously. But it's never stupid to guess. It would make an interesting movie or fan fic though.


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Posted : April 9, 2010 1:22 pm
Katana
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Lewis should deffinetly writen another book just explaining all these mysteries and questions about the Narnia series :p

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Posted : October 26, 2010 4:48 pm
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