One final question: Suppose Aslan had simply replied "I have swallowed up girls and boys, women and men, kings and emperors." Do you think we would be having this discussion now? Do you think you would have still interpreted the line as a metaphor?
In short. . . yes. I have always interpreted it to be a metaphor for conquering, rather than a literal consumption of human flesh.
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One final question: Suppose Aslan had simply replied "I have swallowed up girls and boys, women and men, kings and emperors." Do you think we would be having this discussion now? Do you think you would have still interpreted the line as a metaphor?
Oh, definitely. Like I said in my last post, when I read the book for the first time, I hadn't even finished the sentence and I was already interpreting it that way. My eyes hadn't reached the part in the sentence about cities and realms yet, and I had only read the part about girls and boys and women and children, and I already took the phrase "swallowing up" as conquering rather than literal eating.
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He would have to eat, otherwise he would starve to death and die. I think that because he is a lion his diet would consist of a lot of meat, probably beef or pork. Things like vegetables or sweets wouldn't give him the needed nutrients.
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I don't think Aslan had to eat, I don't know why I just have never pictured him having to eat to stay alive.
As far as the quote "I have swallowed up girls and boys, women and men, kings and emperors, cities and realms." I think glumPuddle and Ithilwen have said all there is to say.
I personally do think it was said as a metaphor, from the time I first read that line because of the words "Swallowed up" it always came across that way to me.
And I don't think Aslan slept either, mostly because of this line from PC:
"but all night aslan and the moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes."
Chapter 14, Prince Caspian.
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Hmm...Good question......
I think he eats, but he doesn't necessarily need to.
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I confess I'd never thought about this until this thread was opened, but on reflection I think Aslan would eat just like a regular lion might (there were plenty of dumb beasts around for him to select from).
And while Narnia isn't an allegory and this isn't N&C, one reason I think this way is that Jesus ate when he walked the earth.
Not to elaborate on the 'swallowing up' discussion too much (the previous posts have summed it up quite well), but I always thought of it as metaphorical, and figured Jill would interpret it that way.
But all night, Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes.
I confess I'd never thought about this until this thread was opened, but on reflection I think Aslan would eat just like a regular lion might (there were plenty of dumb beasts around for him to select from).
I don't think that Aslan actively hunted and killed anything, nor did any of the other talking beasts. They were told not to go back to the ways of the old beasts (which would include hunting and killing).
In my view, Aslan (and all other talking predators) obtained their food just as human would; by visiting a Narnian Butcher, or something like that.
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Well, I should expect that he can eat, as, since Aslan is the Christ-figure, there is nothing he physically can't do. As to whether he would wish to or not, that'd be pure speculation.
I have swallowed up girls and boys, women and men, kings and emperors, cities and realms.
I interpreted this as a metaphorical speech, but more in the fashion of Gollums's riddle in The Hobbit, wherein he speaks of "This thing all things devours / Birds, beasts, trees, flowers / Gnaws iron, bites steel, / Grinds hard stones to meal, / Slays king, ruins town, / And beats high mountain down." Aslan created, guides, knows, is greater than, and will outlast any sort of human fixture, and thus "swallows them up."
In my view, Aslan (and all other talking predators) obtained their food just as human would; by visiting a Narnian Butcher, or something like that.
Wouldn't that meant that only the Narnian Butchers would be hunting, though? And why would that be the case? It seems most impractical, perhaps impossible on a large scale--or, for that matter, even on a very small scale, such as in PC. In SC, Puddleglum and Eustace are quite fine with eating the stag until they discover it talked, so I'd imagine the talking animals would eat in a similar fashion. They are allowed to eat their normal diet, and the talking carnivores hunt the same as a dumb carnivore one would.
You also have to realise, though, that Narnian carnivore diets were probably not necessarily solely based on raw meat. The Fox in LWW was eating a figgy pudding of some sort. Either way, it still doesn't make sense that they'd be so animalistic, when Aslan clearly said not to go back to the ways of the old animals.
Can anybody remember how that one bear reverted back to a non-talking beast (or even what his name was ).
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Fair point. I still think they'd eat meat of some kind, though, as the humans clearly do... and relying on the humans for meat doesn't make sense, either. Admittedly though, I doubt this is something Lewis thought through in earnest, as the plots were always more focused on the children than on Narnia.
Susan calls it "Bruin", which, if memory serves, was the name of a bear in some fable or other. I think it comes up again in SC, as a general title for bears. Erm... I can't recall it being explicitly stated how it turned back, but I imagine it was similar to what Lewis wrote in The Magician's Nephew: "The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed."
Lions are not the "nicest" killers in the animal kingdom either. They usually don't even wait for their prey to "die" before they start eating them. (Although, the prey usually goes into shock very, very quickly). The idea that Aslan would do such a thing is just unthinkable to me.
Even when Aslan kills the White Witch, Lewis gives no gory details, only tells that Aslan "flung himself upon" her and that "the Lion and Witch had rolled over together but with the Witch underneath." There's certainly no mention of eating her, but then again Lewis doesn't even use the word "kill".
I've always seen Aslan's words to Jill as metaphorical as well.
To me part of the reason is that Aslan changes the verb.
Jill asks him, "Do you eat ..." but he doesn't answer "I have eaten."
He changes to 'swallow up', and this to me is an indication that he is also changing the statement from literal to metaphorical.
Can anybody remember how that one bear reverted back to a non-talking beast (or even what his name was ).
Do you perhaps mean the Bear of Stormness Head, that Corin boxed? We're not told how he had gone back to the old ways, only that after Corin had boxed him, he became a reformed character
With the one Susan calls "Bruin", we aren't given any information of how it happened, but I think the quote from MN is a good, general explanation.
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Personally, I never really thought of Aslan eating and I don't really think it that important if he does or doesn't. He's not really your 'normal' type of animal (but then most animals in Narnia probably aren't). He's the creator of Narnia, he can appear and disappear, he can change into different creatures, so it would seem that the laws of nature don't really apply to him. Maybe he does eat, maybe he doesn't, maybe he does when he feels like it, but it's not like he has to, because he is not even a citizen of Narnia, he doesn't even belong to that land, he was there before Narnia was and is there after Narnia is no more. Time and Space hold no meaning for him, why should food?
That quote about him swallowing up girls and boy etc. it could be metaphorical and it could not be (oh if only we could write C.S. Lewis and ask what he meant when he wrote it ). In a way I could see Aslan swallowing all that for some reason if he had too, thought at the same time, my brains defines that as 'very weird'. I think of it as partly metaphorical and partly real. I don't think Aslan would just say that to frighten Jill, cause I think she's frightened enough as it is, I think there is something slightly mystical about this statement and honestly I don't really understand it, it could be Aslan 'swallowed' all those things because they needed to be destroyed and so he swallowed it all up to get rid of it forever, I don't know, it's just a thought
Also, the statement 'I have eaten' doesn't nesseccarily mean 'I eat all the time' or 'I eat on a regular basis'. Aslan is speaking in the past tense, just another little something that came to mind when I was writing this post.
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Personally, I never really thought of Aslan eating and I don't really think it that important if he does or doesn't. [...] Time and Space hold no meaning for him, why should food?
I would think that he can eat if he wants to, but that he has no need to eat to sustain his body. He is above those things, as the timeless creator.
If he does eat, I guess he might eat whatever is served at the time. Narnian animals in the books don't always eat or drink the same as their natural counterparts in world would do, so he would not be confined to the diet of a "normal" lion either.
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I think it's extremely unlikely that Aslan would ever physically really eat - that's not to say he couldn't, for he is Son of the Emperor and, as a metaphorical representation of Christ, has all the power in the earth, so I'm sure he could eat, but I just think it unlikely that he would. And I honestly think his reference to swallowing men, women, children, and kingdoms was, also metaphorical and is another link to him being a metaphorical representation of Christ.
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I remembered something from the books that might add some credibility to the debate that Aslan did kill and eat other animals (although, even though this is possible, I still don't find it probable).
The scene in question is when Jill is riding Glimfeather. Glimfeather, being a talking beast, takes time throughout the flight to stop and kill a bat, consuming it as they fly. So I guess it is not out of the question for talking beasts to continue hunting. . . . . it is a rather gruesome thought though.
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