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Enalora
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I just want to know why they get so completley puzzled when the movie doesn't go like they want. With LWW it was a big hit. With PC everyone was dissapointed. And I say that yes even though it is not one of the most popular books, it was hardly anything like the book. IN VDT, it did alot better than teh previous movie, and I say it's because they were closer to the book. Not close enough in my opinion but so much closer. Even if they didn't make a ton of drastic changes in PC, the whole thing felt so different then Lewis meant it to. If they stuck exactly to the feel and plotline of the MN, they would have a blockbuster...I just wish I could stick my nose into their business and tell them the truth :) anyway, who are they to mess with a plot-line written by one of the most masterful writers of all time? (and i do realise some changes have to be made for a movie, but the story is so truly unique from everything else it should stand out.)

There I've had my say, take it or leave it ;)

Topic starter Posted : March 22, 2011 8:37 am
Glumpuddle
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It's all about respecting the books enough to take risks on them. Walden doesn't have that level of respect, so they keep releasing movies with generic, proven formulas. They take unique books and adapt them into conventional movies.

I read a lot of wonderful interviews with people from Walden, but I would like to see them put their money where their mouth is.


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Posted : March 22, 2011 11:23 am
Enalora
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Agreed! you say it much better than I

Topic starter Posted : March 23, 2011 10:46 am
MagiciansNephew1
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Wow! You thought that PC was further away from the book than VDT? I thought that Walden did a good job with easily the worst book (in my opinion) with PC. Of course there were a couple of things changed, but they didn't change the whole plot structure like they did with VDT!

I liked VDT more, as I felt it was more Narnian. But really, LWW wasn't even that close to the book. But most feel that it was easily the best.

So, in my opinion, it is not necessarily how close it follows the book, but how good of a film it really is. Sometimes, these go hand in hand. But I thought that VDT was a better film than PC but it was nowhere near as close to the book. I do agree, Walden tends to make things to formulaic. And MN would be one that they could really mess up. 8-}

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Posted : March 23, 2011 11:44 am
MinotaurforAslan
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But really, LWW wasn't even that close to the book.

How? At the very least, it's more close than PC and VDT. :-

Posted : March 24, 2011 2:24 pm
puddleglum32
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Yes LWW and PC was more close than VDT

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Posted : March 24, 2011 2:28 pm
Bookwyrm
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they keep releasing movies with generic, proven formulas. They take unique books and adapt them into conventional movies.

And is hasn't just been Narnia they've done this too. Journey to the Center of the Earth was a snoozefest formulaic film and The Seeker was an absolute abomination that had about as much to do with the book as a jar of peanut butter does. This is exactly why I refuse to have any optimism for MN. I made the mistake of thinking VDT would be better than PC in the early days before we had any information and that hope was cruelly crushed. Walden has a terrible track record with book adaptations at this point and I no longer have any confidence in them. They need to start making original films and stop snapping up the film rights to books that might have been done well in more competent, daring hands.

Posted : March 26, 2011 12:02 am
FriendofNarnia2
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Walden has a terrible track record with book adaptations at this point and I no longer have any confidence in them.

Bridge to Terabithia was quite close to the book, and a very good film!

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Posted : March 26, 2011 6:24 am
coracle
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It depends on what your expectations of a film ARE. If you want a moving illustration of the story exactly following the words and actions in the book, you end up with a BBC children's adaptation - which is nice and pleasant in a mid-20th century English style (BBC has a great history of radio and TV adaptations) but it doesn't necessarily make you a film with the patterns and developments a successful film will have.

If you want a great stand-alone film that doesn't require people to have read the book then it often needs to be changed.

Walden is capable of producing very good films, but it will always depend on the producer, director etc. Oh yes, and the script writers!

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Posted : March 26, 2011 10:39 am
DamselJillPole
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I'll just say everytime I watch LWW and VDT I feel comfortable with what I am watching. If I see PC or feel like watching it I get the nervous/bad butterflies in my stomach. It's a movie I'm not comfortable watching and yes I believe that it was PC why the films went downhill.


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Posted : March 26, 2011 7:22 pm
Narnian_Archer
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Agreed, glumPuddle. The problem everyone has is the fear to get out of the "norm", the accepted kind of movie. But, on the other hand, you can understand why Walden and Fox were afraid--PC was a bit of an experiment in that they basically gave Andrew Adamson the liberty to adapt the book as he saw fit. I respect Andrew Adamson, but I don't agree with his interpretation and adaption of PC. Consequently, the movie strayed from the book, and the popularity dropped to such an extent that Disney threw in the can. When Fox picked it up, they realized they had made a mistake in the PC adaption, and they were afraid for VDT. Now they were on the right train of thought...but it led to the wrong conclusion. Because PC had been a failure, they were afraid of experimenting with VDT, and decided to make it as conventional as possible and use the "old tricks" that had proven themselves with time. They knew they had to stay close to the book, but the threat of VDT's failure wa so great that the "conventional", generic, proven formulas were greater in importance than discovering the meaning of the book. That's why VDT is so controversial--on one hand, it uses techniques we all know and Hollywood knows, so we're used to it and we like to movie. On the other hand, we'rebored of those tricks and formulas, and we need newness and variety!! Besides, the books have so much to offer, it's pitiful when the producers and directors stoop to using the "old ways" to save a movie. It's a shame, but on the other hand, you really can't blame them.

I watch LWW like this "Wow!! Hey, that's so cool!! Wow, that's just like int eh book!"
PC like this--"Yes, that was cool...ooh, that was bad....hmm, shouldn't have done that...no, no, no, that was extra...etc."


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Posted : March 29, 2011 7:27 am
Anhun
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While I enjoyed PC on a purely popcorn level, there is one thing which I really hated about it: how they changed Peter. To me, "the Narnian experience" was supposed to be enriching and ennobling. The characters could bear the struggles of daily life with grace, because they knew, deep down that they were a King or Queen of Narnia.

Adamson turned the Narnia experience into a curse and a fuel for adolescent angst. X(

Posted : March 29, 2011 12:18 pm
DamselJillPole
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I agree with both of your statements Narnian_Archer and Anhun! That's exactly why I get very uncomfortable with PC.


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Posted : March 29, 2011 5:24 pm
Lirenel
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No movie adaptation could possibly be as bad as the one of Ella Enchanted (one of my favorite books).

I truly don't understand why filmmakers feel the need to change good stories.


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Posted : April 5, 2011 12:35 pm
Shy Galadriel
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"Ella Enchanted" the movie was an good film; "Ella Enchanted" the book was an excellent piece of literature. The disappointment of Ella Enchanted lay primarily in that it was so NOT like the book.
So, Ella Enchanted, good film, bad adaptation
VDT, bad film, horrible adaptation.
At the same time, I can understand wanting to change a couple of things to make them easier to translate to screen; like with Ella Enchanted, they can't show her inner turmoil at the climax the way Levine did in the book, so they showed flashbacks through mirrors. That was a good job, but they changed the whole plot and most of the characters completely. VDT just completely dumped Rheep's intense desire for Aslan's country for a green mist. A green mist that is supposed to be menacing but isn't really. There is a great deal of fun, beautiful stuff in VDT, I freely admit, but there is too much dumb stuff that takes the quality down from good.

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Posted : April 5, 2011 1:52 pm
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