I know there is a lot of concern about the apparent film connections of the Lady of the Green Kirtle and the White Witch. I was watching some of Glumpuddle's youtube videos the other day, where he openly stated that he would boycott the films if the two witches were made one. I for one am with him 100% on this, although I know a lot aren't; I was wondering where the majority of NarniaWeb stands.
I know Douglas Gresham and the production have made certain statements about it, but I really don't think we can take any of that too seriously; Tilda Swinton also explicitly promised she wouldn't be in PC, and then the trailer came out and lo and behold, she was lying. Same for Douglas Gresham and 'global warming'. Whatever the production says about WW=LoGK, I don't think we can stop worrying about this yet.
So would you boycott?
No. I would be extremely disappointed, but I would not boycott the film. The only way I'd boycott a film is if Aslan died.
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No, I would never consider boycotting a movie for such a reason. If the production chooses to use Tilda Swinton as the "face of evil" in the Narnia franchise, than so be it.
- Jadis is a witch.
- The Lady of the Green Kirtle is a witch.
- They're both witches.
- They're both related in some sense.
Besides, Tilda Swinton would be able to play the Lady of the Green Kirtle and not be the White Witch at the same time. I hope that makes sense: she can play a different character.
You can learn a lot of things from reading the Narnia books. If the movie has the main messages from the book, I'm happy. Character adjustments are made all the time in book-to-film adaptions, so it doesn't come as much of a surprise that Narnia has a part in that statement. For me it's not the end of the world if Tilda Swinton plays the Lady of the Green Kirtle: more like "Oh, that's a neat idea!". Eustace and Jill have never seen the White Witch before, so they wouldn't recognize her. Remember, in our world, the devil (evil) can take many forms, but after all it's one and the same "person" behind it all.
To boycott a movie is to have other people not go see the movie. If the movie's messages are intact, than, in my opinion, it's kind of sad to tell other people to stay away from them just because one doesn't agree with the casting of a role. If you don't want to see the movie, fine. You're entitled to your own opinion, but don't take away the experience and lessons from other movie-goers. Remember that Douglas Gresham is there to make sure the main messages of the stories are not tampered with.
Still, after that entire explanation, I do hope they hire a different actress for the part. If they want to show Jadis in the movie, I'd hope for a small cameo, like in PC and VDT. PC's cameo was appropriate and really did not stray away from the book alot. VDT's cameo was effective for remaining on Dark Island for only a small amount of time and helped the scene better cinematically, in my opinion. We'll see what happens, in time
I wouldn't like it but I wouldnt boycott it. I would only boycott it if it had something ridiculous like Jill having a baby or something like that...
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I was watching some of Glumpuddle's youtube videos the other day, where he openly stated that he would boycott the films if the two witches were made one. I for one am with him 100% on this, although I know a lot aren't; I was wondering where the majority of NarniaWeb stands.
I think this would cross the line for me. It would be an insult to my intelligence and that would definitely make me not want to see it. I have always seen two different characters although they are both "witches". Having the same actress portray the new one would indicate an obsession with The White Witch.
I want to see a new character and actress. Tilda Swinton did a great job as the WW; now let another have a shot at this new and different character.
I am with ChristProclamer and glumPuddle on this one.
(BTW, if they want to make the LOTGK the sister of the WW or somehow related to her; that would be OK. As long as she herself is different like in the book. )
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A year ago i would probably have said yes for certain. But when stacked alongside The Green Mist and The Seven Swords in VDT, it now seems like such a minor transgression from the books in comparison so as not even be worth my caring about anymore.
I voted I don't know. It depends on how they did it.
In both the cameos they've given the WW after her death, they've managed to keep it known that she is, in fact, dead. This does not diminish Aslan's power, so I am ok with this. I am ok with her spirit representing a defeated evil which refuses to let go and just die. I think that's a lot like the way it is with satan.
I would have a huge problem with the WW physically coming back as LotGK and kidnapping Rilian because THAT would diminish Aslan's power. If they found a way to have her as the LotGK while still having her as a spirit which holds no real power anymore, it would go against the book but I wouldn't boycott.
BUT I don't think they'll do that. Personally, I think our fears about LotGK/WW are ungrounded. I know they've put Tilda in every film, and even after the WW's death they gave her two cameos, but the cameos fit. They made sense. They didn't really go against the books.
In the book PC, they mentioned calling up the witche's spirit. In the film they almost did it. That was reasonable. It made sense.
The VDT, you have an island where nightmares come true. It makes sense the the WW would be someone's nightmare. I think it was fitting that she was Ed's nightmare. It's reasonable.
They did not have to go out of their way to fit WW cameos because they are both within context of the book. Furthermore, they've only done cameos sense her death.
If they brought her back as LotGK they would be giving a main role to a dead witch. Everyone knows she's dead. It would be ridiculous for her to suddenly be alive and it would be kinda gross for her to try to marry the prince who would probably be like half her age, especially since Aslan killed her. Kinda ruins any wedding plans
If they have to put the WW in SC somewhere, I see her as more of a guide to LotGK. LotGK wants to be powerful like the the WW, so she calls up her spirit, like they did in PC, and consults her from time to time. This way the WW wouldn't actually be alive, and she couldn't come out, but she could be there and she could talk and Fox/Walden can get their WW cameo.
Would this be overkill? YES
Would this diminish Aslan's power? Not really as long as the WW doesn't actually do anything and it's known that she is dead.
Would this go against the books? Not really, since calling up a witch's spirit was mentioned in PC. "You can always get them back"
Are there any grounds for this in The Silver Chair? Maybe.
"Long, long ago at the very beginning, a White Witch came out of the north and bound our land in snow and ice for a hundred years. And we think this may be one of the same crew."
One could gather that the two witch's were somehow connected, but it's never plainly stated how. It's been a looooong time since I read MN but if I recall correctly Jadis is from a completely different world than Narnia. She was from Charn and Charn was destroyed. So I have no idea where this new witch came from. It's a mystery. The filmmakers may choose to elaborate on this, but I don't think they'll have Tilda be LotGK. I think they will just have a witch aspiring to be great and powerful like the WW.
I wouldn't boycott the Narnia films unless they completely ruined Aslan's Christ-likeness. I think that's the only way I would. If they made the WW alive and powerful again, that would diminish Aslan's power and I would hate that. If she was just a spirit that was using Rilian and feeding off of any evil she found in him, I wouldn't like that but I may be able to stomach it.
Boy that was a long post. I hope it all made sense.
I don't think I would. I'm not exactly sure. After reading everybody's posts, I've realized that I would probably be very upset, but I would still go see the movie. I wouldn't boycott it.
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I would have a problem with it, but not enough to boycott it.
But why would they want to do this? It is very clear in the books that they are NOT the same person. They are two different minions.
The only thing that would make me so frustrated to not want to see the movies anymore is that if at the end of the last battle, Aslan turned out to be Siddartha Gautama or whomever founded Wicca. They do not need to make EVERYTHING be terminally politically correct, for crying out loud.
I wouldn't mind Tilda playing the LotGK IF they made it obvious that the WW and the LotGK were NOT the same person. (Yes that scenario is possible although extremely remote) However I am in a much greater favor of getting a different actress, if they did make the two the same I would not boycatt the series, but so long as the rest will be made I probably would not see SC in theaters, but rather rent the DVD from the library.
My actual reactions depend heavily on the exact scenario.
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I would absolutly hate it and it would be so stupid, but nothing would ever make me boycott the films.
I know I've said in the past if something happens to these films that is bad that I would boycott them but I just dont know if i can or could.
All I know is that Tilda/ww being LOGK is now the least of my worries at the moment. Reason being Douglas had already said that WW/LOGK are two different people and that the production will cast a different young actress, so I believe him. I don't think we should worry about this at all.
I'm more worried about if the crew does not establish Lilliandil's character in SC. They really need to, both her and Caspian. Plus they need to adapt it faithfully, i don't want anymore dumb excuses from the director, producer etc saying they made these changes because it isn't eposodic or CS lewis should've done this or that, and you know what i mean.
But no I can't in any way shape or form ever boycott these films.
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Definitely, yes! I say this because the whole point of LWW is that the Witch is defeated and dies because of Aslan. What will we hear next? That Tash is the White Witch's undead spirit? Therefore, if the filmmakers know at least the basic principles of Narnia, then they will know that to make the White Witch the LotGk would make no sense.
Btw, if they keep the series going, it would make more sense for them to make LotGK Susan's "child"! Don't you think?! *Runs for dear life*
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I voted I don't know. I lean towards not boycotting because whether the WW and TLOTGK are the same isn't as important to me as that they get the script and overall production of the Silver Chair right in a major sense. I don't think they'll really make them the same, I would hope the production team would know the benefits of trying something new (i.e. new actress, new character) versus going back to the old stagnant well of ideas so many times. In addition, I'm actually tired of seeing Tilda.
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Really, stateofgreen? I'm curious, what's your idea of "overall production of the Silver Chair right in a major sense"? 'Cause, for me, making LotGK the same as the White Witch drastically changes what I call "over all production in the major sense". If LotGK is one and the same with the White Witch, then LWW is a....
LIE!
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