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MinotaurforAslan
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Another thing that bothers me...

In the book, the gold band on Eustace's arm seems to be the punishment for his enchantment. As long as he is a dragon, he must suffer from a painful constraint on his arm.

In the movie, Lucy merely tugs at it a little bit and it snaps right off. /:)

Posted : January 24, 2011 8:40 am
Conina
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^ Agreed. I didn't understand the purpose behind that change. :- Leaving the gold band on longer was a good visual reminder for why Eustace is dragonned in the first place (putting the armband on is a symbol of him claiming the treasure for himself). Also it would have added a layer of intensity to the undragonning scene if that was when he is finally free of the armband. The relief from this minor annoyance coming at the same time of his undragonning meant a lot to me for reasons that better belong in the theology thread.

In the book an undragonned Eustace tries to give the armband up to the rest of the crew. They throw it in the air and it catches high on a rock and no one cares to go after it. I wish they had kept this scene in. Filmwise, it would have neatly tied up the Eustace/Caspian/Edmund goldlust story arch that was going.

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Posted : January 24, 2011 10:07 am
stateofgreen
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The thing is they weren't going for theological intensity or depth. They were just giving visual 'lip service' to it. As quickly as the armband popped off was the time equivalent of how important they thought that piece of symbolism was. :(


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Posted : January 24, 2011 10:25 am
CorazonBandido55
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Another thing that bothers me...

In the book, the gold band on Eustace's arm seems to be the punishment for his enchantment. As long as he is a dragon, he must suffer from a painful constraint on his arm.

In the movie, Lucy merely tugs at it a little bit and it snaps right off. /:)

I don't have an answer for that one :p But at least they kept the armband on Eustace, even if just for a bit. That is very minor for me, in my opinion.

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Posted : January 24, 2011 10:56 am
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The bracelet in book is the whole reason Eustace wanted to go down in the water. It serves as the thing that will stay at the island forever but in the movie it seems to be of little importance.

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Posted : January 25, 2011 5:46 am
Glumpuddle
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*Facepalm* This is such a dumb movie.

On a lighter note, why didn't Caspian in Prince Caspian turn into a werewolf after he was bitten by one in "Sorcery and Sudden Vengeance"?

There is nothing in the books that suggests Narnian werewolves can turn other people into werewolves.

In the VDT movie, on the other hand, they say very clearly that everyone knows dragon treasure is enchanted.

In the book, the gold band on Eustace's arm seems to be the punishment for his enchantment. As long as he is a dragon, he must suffer from a painful constraint on his arm.
In the movie, Lucy merely tugs at it a little bit and it snaps right off. /:)

This is yet another example of something that is important in the book being reduced to an easter egg for fans.

In general, as you pointed out in your trailer analysis, Eustace being a dragon doesn't seem like much of a handicap for him. In the book, he is worried about being left behind because the crew would be unable to feed him, etc.


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Topic starter Posted : January 25, 2011 6:48 am
CorazonBandido55
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glumpuddle just because you didn't like the movie doesn't make it a dumb movie. I encourage you to check online buzz tracking for this movie on boxoffice.com .. it is outstanding.

anyway, as far as the arm band is concerned, I never really considered it an issue that it was just taken off. it would look impractical to keep an arm band on a dragon that is sure to cut off its circulation.. and furthermore not expand and break under pressure of a larger arm. Logic at its finest :D

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Posted : January 25, 2011 10:04 am
waggawerewolf27
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Not to mention that they would have metal cutters of some sort on board the Dawn Treader, wouldn't they?

Enchanted treasure would turn Eustace into a dragon, but surely a gold armring could have been cut off. You can do that with overtight wedding rings, after all.

Posted : January 25, 2011 10:13 am
narnian21
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Eustace was actually messing with the treasure. He tried to take all the treasure he could and to me this is obvious that he was a very greedy boy. Edmund and Caspian, however, did not want the treasure and to me that was made very clear. In fact, they never even touched the treasure! Well Edmund does, but that's because he was picking up Eustace's burnt clothes. They weren't messing with the treasure at all.

With Caspian's "everyone knows its enchanted" line, I didn't really like it at first because I was wondering if he would have known what really happened to Eustace if Caspian knew it was enchanted. But maybe he didn't know what would result from dabbling with the treasure. I never had a problem with the scene.

I can see why people would be upset by the scene, but I don't really understand what the big deal is about. Eustace's greed, his "dragonish thoughts", get him turned into a dragon. He doesn't like being a dragon, I mean who would want to be a dragon forever right? He couldn't become human again by himself, he needed Aslan. I'd say that's accurate to the book. Sure enchanted treasure isn't exactly like the book, but in film sometimes you need to show the message in a different way. For me, the message was clear.

Posted : January 26, 2011 4:58 am
CharlotteRose
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I can see why people would be upset by the scene, but I don't really understand what the big deal is about. Eustace's greed, his "dragonish thoughts", get him turned into a dragon. He doesn't like being a dragon, I mean who would want to be a dragon forever right? He couldn't become human again by himself, he needed Aslan. I'd say that's accurate to the book. Sure enchanted treasure isn't exactly like the book, but in film sometimes you need to show the message in a different way. For me, the message was clear.

I agree! Eustace was being greedy and taking that tresure when it could've been anyones, and then he turned into a dragon! That was clear to me and the change didn't bother me much anyway. Infact, at the time I was too busy watching and enjoying the film to notice any small things like this :p . I understand that it is irritating that a lot of things have changed, but this wasn't a big issue! and I think that with or without a bangle on his arm, being a dragon was not going to be very pleasent for Eustace! He still learns his lesson; learns to be brave and friendly...He was dragoned so he could learn that ;)

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Posted : February 19, 2011 7:39 am
Lilygloves
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The whole situation seems kind of sketchy. They never mention or hint that it's a dragon's treasure so when they say "Everyone knows a dragon's treasure is enchanted", it would confuse the audience that haven't read the book if they think about it too long. There is no indication there was ever a dragon there before besides the comment that it was a dragon's treasure. Why couldn't it have been Lord Octesian's treasure after finding the gold water? He could have found the water, tried to make as much gold as possible, and then accidentally fallen in one day (but that is just an example of how the other possibilities besides the assumed dragon theory). There is no actual explanation for why Eustace becomes a dragon, although to be fair it would be hard to express the real cause from the book in a movie without narration. Yet another example of one element of the movie that makes sense if you don't think about it. At all. (-|

Posted : May 16, 2011 4:29 pm
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