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Josh
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So we know the film revolves around a quest to defeat the Dark Island. But how this will all play out really depends on one thing: What is causing the Dark Island?

Is it the White Witch, somehow returning from the dead to takeover Narnia by escaping the darkness?

Is it the Lady of the Green Kirtle, unseen in this movie, and secretly trying to takeover Narnia? She was in the leaked script and it seems like the Dark Island is just substituding her soul sucking cave.

Is it Corikan? Some people on this site theorized that since he was being punished for unknown reasons (like in the book), he may have a bad side to him. Maybe he's getting a kick out of sending our heroes on a quest to defeat a magic that he created.

Is it Aslan? As odd as it seems, the Dark Island could merely be a creation by Aslan to test the hearts of the main characters and to help them grow as people before they go back to their own world.

Or did the Dark Island just exist and come from nowhere?

Winter Is Coming

Topic starter Posted : October 10, 2010 11:55 am
aragorn2
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I think the Dark Island is just there, like it is in the book.

I don't think it is the WW because Corikan says that it is something more powerful than a witch and because she is DEAD.

I think it would be very complicated having a enemy that isn't there and is a thousand miles away, with no way I can imagine of introducing her.

Someones house in Hollywood is going to get burned down if it is Corikan :)

It can't be Aslan, why would he torture Rhoop for 7 years and have the ship attacked by a huge Sea Serpent just to see how loyal they are.

Posted : October 10, 2010 12:20 pm
icarus
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I'm sticking with the theory i've held for a while now - that the Dark Island was created as a result of the Seven Lords disturbing the Stone Knife, whether that be as a result of them removing it from the stone casket at the base of the Bell Tower as it was in the Leaked Script, or merely disturbing it from its place on Aslan's Table as it is in the book.

I think such a theory perhaps fairly neatly ties together the frequent apparitions of the White Witch (assuming they are not merely Edmund-induced nightmares) with the presence of the Dark Island, and provides a possible connection as to why the Lord's swords could be related to the defeating of the Dark Island.

I think it also fits given the location of the Dark Island. if an external enemy had purposefully "created" the Dark Island, then the middle of the ocean would be a strange place to create it. But if it in some way resulted from the stone knife being disturbed, then it would perhaps make sense for it to be just offshore from Ramandu's Island (i.e. where Aslan's table is) or for it to be in the possession of Lord Rhoop, who is now the last Lord in the new island order, and would logically have it if they had stolen it from the Lone Island's Bell Tower as they did in the leaked script.

I must admit though that i don't have any real solid evidence to support this theory, and i am starting to doubt myself slightly on this, given that the Stone Knife was not been mentioned as a plot point in any of the preview screenings or in the movie story book, but in all honesty it would seem really odd for them to do a VDT plot involving the WW and not mention the Stone Knife, given that it is the only thing in the book which links her to the story.

Although i was very opposed to it when i first read it in the leaked script, i would in many ways now actually now be rather disappointed if they didn't include the Stone Knife in such a way, as it seems like a pretty decent way to tie together all these seemingly random plot elements they have added into the movie using something which is actually from the book.

So anyway, i guess my answer would be "other - The Seven Lords"

Posted : October 10, 2010 12:21 pm
Shastafan
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If they made Coriakin or Aslan evil, I might as well faint like Eustace! :(

I half agree with Icarus on it likely being the Seven Lords' fault. I've never read the leaked script, and although it sounds pretty crazy, people who've read the script say that many of the things in the script are being used. I don't have too much against it since I've never seen it, so I think it'd be ok if the Lords somehow did something wrong.

My other half says the WW created it(I hope not at the moment, although it could work really well and I'd love it!), but what I wish and hope is that the Dark Island somehow created itself. Maybe darkness, magic or something built up after thousands of years and soon became the Dark Island, and only after PC did it begin to make trouble. I think that would be great, or even better if we never found out who created it. Creepy! :-s ;)

So in the end, I voted "Other" because I have mixed feelings on this subject... I think I'm slightly relieved to know that we're only two months away from VDT! #:-s :D


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Posted : October 10, 2010 12:41 pm
AslanIsOnTheMove
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Something inside me believes that it's just there, and it feeds off of every bad thing in the human heart, whether it be sin or a nightmare or whatever. If it finds something bad it feeds off of it and becomes more powerful. Therefore everyone on the Dawnt Treader must overcome temptation and fear so they will be able to defeat it. I really like your Idead Icarus :) I hope that's it.
Overall I just don't know. Dark Island is a mystery to me. Perhaps we'll never know, and that would be creepy. If you don't know what the cause of something is how can you ever be sure it won't happen again? :-s

Posted : October 10, 2010 12:55 pm
wolfloversk
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I voted other, I don't think it always existed, because Aslan said that evil entered Narnia when the WW came, but I think that it was created sometime after evil first entered Narnia-but I don't think it was made by the WW. (Not unless she made it some time in between MN and LWW, but I don't know how much I like that idea, especially if Coriakin says that it's something far more powerful than a witch.) I can see it being made by Tash, but I don't think that should be revealed until the LB- if ever at all.
I also like icarus' theory, about it being created when the stone knife is disturbed.
My favorite idea though?- That it's a complete mystery that shall always remained unsolved :P

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Posted : October 10, 2010 12:57 pm
Clive Staples Sibelius
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I'm taking the most pessimistic view ---LotGK. Knowing how closely to the leaked script the filmmakers have stuck, I wouldn't put something this bad beyond them.

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Posted : October 10, 2010 1:56 pm
Pyxis
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I voted for "it's just there." That's the impression I got of the Dark Island when I read the book, and I want it do stay that way.
However, knowing the changes made to the plot, the Dark Island could very well be the creation of the WW ( :-s ) or, like icarus says, the byproduct of something done to the Stone Knife.

Posted : October 10, 2010 2:12 pm
Ithilwen
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I voted LOTGK, but really it was just a guess. I've been wondering about it for some time now. It's very odd how something that evil and strong could come into existance (totally don't know if I spelled that right).

I wonder how it came into existance (again, the spelling) in the books, too. Aslan was supposed to have made that whole world, and yet, I can't picture Aslan creating something evil...

Good theory about Coriakin making it. I hadn't thought of that before.

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Posted : October 10, 2010 3:04 pm
DamselJillPole
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The Dark Island just exists on its' own. Like Corikain said in the trailer 'something more powerful then a witch' so I don't see it being a witch. I think that it is just there and needs to be defeated.


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Posted : October 10, 2010 3:27 pm
Bookwyrm
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I voted for it just exists on its own. If it is more powerful than a witch, I don't see how it could be something generated from the WW's knife or even created by her. How could an entity create something more powerful than itself anyway? :- And if we absolutely must have the Dark Island be the Big Bad of this movie, I'd rather it be a free agent than just some evil experiment that escaped the lab.

Posted : October 10, 2010 8:21 pm
coracle
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The fact that Lewis didn't invent the Dark Island until long after he had killed off the WW suggests she could not have done it.
I think there are lots of forms of evil in our world, and the same applies to Narnia.
Long ago there were strange tales told by travellers, especially sailors who'd been to what was thought to be the ends of the earth. Such myths may well turn up in Narnia - many others do (look at all the mythical creatures who live there). So I think it just happened, as it is a kind of myth, the place where your (worst) dreams come true - it is probably somewhere in classical mythology.
As for LOTGK, she couldn't have made it either, as she didn't yet exist as Lewis hadn't written her.

There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."

Posted : October 10, 2010 10:37 pm
Bookwyrm
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Well, of course in the book those characters were either dead or hadn't been invented yet. But this is movie!Narnia we're talking about, where thousands of years after her death, the writers are still trying to drag Jadis' mummified corpse out of her anonymous grave and make her do things.

Posted : October 10, 2010 11:29 pm
Josh
 Josh
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Well, of course in the book those characters were either dead or hadn't been invented yet. But this is movie!Narnia we're talking about, where thousands of years after her death, the writers are still trying to drag Jadis' mummified corpse out of her anonymous grave and make her do things.

Lol. On youtube the comments for the third trailer include:

"The Witch is still alive?"

"The witch never dies does she?"

"That snow witch needs to accept death."

"Really Edmund, are you going to betray your family AGAIN!"

Winter Is Coming

Topic starter Posted : October 11, 2010 3:42 am
Liberty Hoffman
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ok, my take on it is that all the bad things and all the fears and evil lives on this island. kind of like in the book Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan where there's the Swamp of Despond and all the fears and evil lives in that swamp. I've always thought the Dark Island and the Swamp Of Despond were similar in that way.


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Posted : October 11, 2010 6:18 am
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