Everyone freaked out when the Lady of the Green Kirtle seemed to become an anatagonist in the leaked script for VotDT. Yet the filmakers in order to calm us down said that they scrapped that idea and that she wouldnt be in it. Well they were telling the truth, but little did we realise they were creating an even bigger deviation from the novel.
From the recent reports it now seems like the main antagonist of the movie will be the White Witch (replacing LotGK), who is trying to come back to life through dark island.
Honestly, I think the Lady of the Green Kirtle being the main villain would have been better for a numerous amount of reasons.
1. She's actually alive! A living witch trying to create this darkness to take over Narnia makes more sense then a DEAD witch wanting to use darkness to take over Narnia. And with the WW being the main villian how does that work? Is she alive in a spiritual form wanting to come back. Or did the Dark Island just pop out of nothing and randomly decide to bring back Jadis? Either way it doesnt make sense.
2. The Lady of the Green Kirtle being introduced in this film could be a good set up for her role in The Silver Chair. It would make sense for her to be seeking vengeance against Caspian by killing Lilliandil. Now I don't think Lady of the Green Kirtle needs to be set up for the Silver Chair, but if she's going to be in this movie it could be a interesting way to introduce that story.
3. The audience is sick of the White Witch. She was a great villain in LWW. Her ghostly reappearance in PC was cool and an expansion of something that was in the book. But her appearance in VotDT is overkill. The WW died! So why is she constantly popping up in these films? It just seems like a cheap tactic to bring back an oscar winning actress that the critics like when really she is irrelevant to the story.
4. It weakens the power of Aslan! He killed her. So for her to be able to come back to life on her own means she has just as much power, if not more power, then him. Maybe her coming back wouldnt be so bad if Aslan could just destroy Dark Island like he did in the books. But apparently he can't do that without 7 swords being laid at his feet.
I am sure there are people out there that disagree with me, so I've opened a poll to see what the general consensus is.
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I went for ideally No Witch, but that WW is preferable over LOTGK.
Mainly because WW does have a very slight basis for inclusion in the book (i.e. the presence of the Stone Knife at Ramandu's Island) and that it is theoretically plausible for one or more of the characters to have a nightmare about her at the Dark Island - though in that scenario would of been much more down on seeing a vision of Miraz at the Dark Island as well, as i feel it would make much more sense within the context of Caspian's overall series character arc for him to have a nightmare about Miraz than it would be for Edmund to have a nightmare about WW at this point, as well as being much more relevant to the main Seven Lords plot line.
But from the reports the White Witch is more then just a dream. SHE'S THE ONE RESPONSIBlE FOR DARK ISLAND! If the WW were just a dream, I wouldnt care about her presence in the movie.
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I don't want any Witch but I would rather have LotGK because I am TIRED OF THe WHITE WITCH! It is going to bore people. I am sure people, even those who havn't read the books are going to get tired. The reviews will say that the film makers can't think of better villians.
I wish there was no witch really. No witch.
As for Edmund's dream of her on Dark Island, I wouldn't midd if that was it, but I would have preferred if we saw him afraid of something, but we didn't actually see her. He could tell the others, or maybe not, and we would have to guess what his dark dream was. I just don't want to see any witch and I am sick of the WW.
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I voted "I don't think any witch should be in the movie, but of the two she's the better choice."
If they HAD to include a witch, I feel like the Lady of the Green Kirtle fits in better, seeing as she shows up 25 or so years later in The Silver Chair, and the White Witch has been dead for over a thousand years by the time the Dawn Treader sets sail. To me, she's a more relevant villain to the time the story takes place.
And frankly, I think it makes more sense, because if the sea serpent battle is going to be major scene in the movie and a form of evil, then it's obvious that a sea serpent has a far greater connection with LotGK than it ever could have with the White Witch.
I would much prefer they'd leave both witches out altogether, though. I wouldn't mind for them to hint at the Lady of the Green Kirtle with the sea serpent (to some degree, if they are bent on using the sea serpent as a big climactic battle scene, then it fits), but I wouldn't like her actually showing up in the film in any of the forms she appears in during The Silver Chair.
I dont think Green Kirtle Lady should be in VDT. How can she be a nightmare when none of the crew knows she even exists?
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^^ She doesn't have to be the nighmare. She could be causing the nightmares.
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I said preferably no witch but LotGK would be better than Jadis. Aslan killed Jadis. Period. She should not have been in PC; she should never have come back after LWW. SHE IS DEAD!!! *end of rant* So I would want LotGK because she wasn't killed by Aslan and so can logically be there. And that would lead up to SC although that doesn't matter very much to me.
If they HAD to include a witch, I feel like the Lady of the Green Kirtle fits in better, seeing as she shows up 25 or so years later in The Silver Chair, and the White Witch has been dead for over a thousand years by the time the Dawn Treader sets sail. To me, she's a more relevant villain to the time the story takes place.
And frankly, I think it makes more sense, because if the sea serpent battle is going to be major scene in the movie and a form of evil, then it's obvious that a sea serpent has a far greater connection with LotGK than it ever could have with the White Witch.
I would much prefer they'd leave both witches out altogether, though. I wouldn't mind for them to hint at the Lady of the Green Kirtle with the sea serpent (to some degree, if they are bent on using the sea serpent as a big climactic battle scene, then it fits), but I wouldn't like her actually showing up in the film in any of the forms she appears in during The Silver Chair.
Totally agree.
If the filmmakers must have a recurring villain show up all the time, which is unnecessary to me, the most appropriate character to use is Jadis, the White Witch. While the character herself is only physically in LWW and MN, she is the only evil being still referenced in all of the other books and often a number of times. And if Lewis felt it was important to go back and explain where she came from, it's safe to assume he viewed her as a prominent enemy.
Aslan of course, is the supreme goodness in the books. In contrast, Jadis is the supreme evil, the one who corrupted Narnia at the very beginning of its existence in MN. And just as the gods and mythological creatures bow to Aslan, the evil in the world of Narnia, I have always viewed, is ultimately from Jadis.
But I don't think it's beneficial to the other stories for her to constantly reappear in cameos. Lewis addressed the subject well enough in PC where it's implied that she may not be completely dead. But of course, these are movies and filmmakers want to show since implying something doesn't really cut it in Hollywood, I suppose.
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I voted "I don't care", because I'm one of those people who believes they're the same character, lol. It's hard to pick between them, then.
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The White Witch, at worst, may be a dream of Edmund's - where we think should would. Did not read anything that she was showing up anything beyond that. Previous news reports support this idea.
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I chose "I don't care" because I couldn't decide. On the one hand, the WW is the supreme evil of the series, on the other hand, the LotGK is alive. Plus, I wouldn't want a script writer to find this poll and say "What!? We got rid of the LotGK because you were all so upset about it, and now you say you would rather have her? !" We'd lose a lot of their respect, which would be bad for future movies.
Also, I think it might be possible that they will include WW in other movies, including SC (Here's how, LotGK is an apprentice of Jadis and is using The Silver Chair to drain energy/courage/manhood/something out of Rilian so she can bring Jadis back).
Come to think of it, isn't the real "supreme evil" in Narnia Tash? Maybe HE should have been the main antagonist, or in LB be revealed as such throughout the whole series? Dark island sounds like something he would do.
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Come to think of it, isn't the real "supreme evil" in Narnia Tash? Maybe HE should have been the main antagonist, or in LB be revealed as such throughout the whole series? Dark island sounds like something he would do.
That's a very good point!
I always felt Tash was the real villain and more evil than Jadis. I was surprised at how little attention he got in the books. That's exactly what they should have it be!
But then, knowing the way these films are going, they will probably have Tash be The White Witch, too.
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Even if the WW only shows up on the dark island at the end, i still dislike the idea that she is the causer of the mist. That is what i dislike about it. If she was just in Edmund's nightmare while i don't like that it isn't too bad, but her being some sort of outside evil that is still impacting the world seems too much.
I mean is that ever going to end or will she always be causing problems.
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I voted for I'd rather no witches, but the LotGK is a better choice than the WW.
I could have tolerated the WW as a nightmare, not very happily, but since all the reports from the NYC event indicate she is in fact the Big Bad of this movie, I'm pretty annoyed. Did the screenwriters really think that the fan rebellion against the leaked script was because we wanted the WW in the movie? :O
At this point I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if they chose to have Tash be the WW.