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[Closed] What did you ultimately think of the 7 Swords/Green Mist?

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stateofgreen
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Well Icarus joked that Rhindon was activated by Blue Tooth capabilities above, but I think the moment Eustace laid the last sword down it just activated Aslan-powered magic which made Rhindon turn all blue and empowered Edmund to kill the serpent with one stab! :D Sort of like when he destroyed the White Witch's wand in LWW.


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Posted : December 29, 2010 4:44 pm
Watziznehm
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It completely ruined it for me!

Before seeing the movie, I was worried that the whole additional plot would make VDT not seem linear. In the book, there is always a straight line which guides their path -- the journey to Aslan's country. My worries were not disappointed.

In the movie, they just seemed to be running in circles around the Dark Island, as if the whole movie could have taken place within the confines of a bathtub; there was no sense of scope or travel. 'Twas an EPIC, boring adventure.

Secondly, I must say, the green mist was most effective, it overshadowed the ultimate goal, finding Aslan's country. I know, I know, I sound like I am repeating myself. But, before, I was talking about how the plot changed the flow of the movie. Now, I am talking about the actual plot. Anyway, Aslan's country should be the ULTIMATE goal! Anybody who is not an atheist should be able to get that. Any of us who has a god can only imagine the wonder we would have to actually find HIS country! *Moment of silence* In the movie, Aslan's country was a complete afterthought. That was just horrible to me, just horrible!


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Posted : December 30, 2010 5:39 am
rjefvh
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Unfortunately, what that evil was that was controlling the mist, was never explained. So I was left to continue thinking that it was the green mist that they were trying to defeat. (Its too bad that I can't collect 7 swords and lay them at a table somewhere and make the evil smog at my college disappear!)

As stated by many (not least of all Douglas Gresham), the mist was not evil. It was the reaction of Narnia to evil in its midst. Therefore, the mist is not to be defeated.

Evil is the adversary behind many of the temptations and the sacrifices, etc. Thus, the idea is not to defeat the mist, rather to defeat the evil that is the cause of things gone horribly wrong in Narnia.

Posted : December 30, 2010 5:41 am
Watziznehm
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Seriously, rjefvh? "...rather to defeat the evil that is the cause of things gone horribly wrong in Narnia."

Most of the time, things go horribly wrong in Narnia when humans start getting involved. The major event of PC was restoring back to the creatures what man stole. After everything was restored and Prince Caspian became King Caspian I don't recall any blunder on his part to warrant The Green Mist. That is another part of VDT, the movie, which is so ridiculous. The least they could have done was make me care about The Green Mist. But, honestly, I didn't care. Because it was thrown completely out of nowhere and completely out of context with what happened before, I found even The Green Mist hard to believe.

Seriously, dude, did you really believe in the mist? I sure didn't!


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Posted : December 30, 2010 6:07 am
Edmundsdefender
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As stated by many (not least of all Douglas Gresham), the mist was not evil. It was the reaction of Narnia to evil in its midst. Therefore, the mist is not to be defeated.

Evil is the adversary behind many of the temptations and the sacrifices, etc. Thus, the idea is not to defeat the mist, rather to defeat the evil that is the cause of things gone horribly wrong in Narnia.

That may have been their intent but I think they rather failed to bring that across to the audience. Unless you've read what Gresham and the rest said, I think most people (like I did) will think it was the green mist that they were out to defeat. It honestly looked like that.

And I agree with Watziznehm. The green mist was not believable. I think (if they had to have that extra plot) they should have put more effort into developing the story behind it and explain why the mist was a manifestation of evil and what exactly that evil was. I think they made the "evil" too abstract to be properly portrayed in film.

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Posted : December 30, 2010 7:23 am
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Seriously, rjefvh? "...rather to defeat the evil that is the cause of things gone horribly wrong in Narnia."

Most of the time, things go horribly wrong in Narnia when humans start getting involved. The major event of PC was restoring back to the creatures what man stole. After everything was restored and Prince Caspian became King Caspian I don't recall any blunder on his part to warrant The Green Mist. That is another part VDT, the movie, which I so ridiculous. The least they could have done was make me care about the green mist. But, honestly, I didn't care. Because it was thrown completely out of nowhere and completely out of context with what happened before, I found even the Green Mist hard to believe.

Seriously, dude, did you really believe in the mist? I sure didn't!

I believe it is evil introduced during the creation of Narnia, by way of Jadis and human beings, that gets in the way. But the evil that exists within human beings and other creatures is certainly a theme that runs in VDT and other Narnian stories. One does not need to know how evil was introduced in order to enjoy the stories.

PC was the restoration of the true Kingdom, indeed. But, evil still existed in Narnia before and after PC, and evil continues to play out in the rest of the stories, both in the books and now in this movie. So it is not hard for me to believe that evil continues after PC.

The idea of a green mist as a reaction to the presence of eivl is not my idea or my words. If you do not think they pulled it off, very well then. But, if you are asking me if it is plausible, I say yes. Perhaps that is because I envisioned evil as a kind of presence but not a being, well before I ever saw this movie.

So, defeating evil within one's self, defeating the presence of evil by resisting temptations or laying down one's sword, and having green mist as a Narnian reaction to the presence of evil, are all ok by me. If it were a story about defeating an evil creature that takes the shape of a green mist, then it would seem silly to me.

Ultimately, I think there are some questions that are unanswered by the plot additions. But, I do not think the additions harmed the film, overall.

Posted : December 30, 2010 8:25 am
Watziznehm
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WOW! *MOMENT OF SILENCE*

rjefhv, your idea is INCREDIBLY awesome!

Now, tell me why they didn't explain that in the movie? It would have made it so much better. :|


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Posted : December 30, 2010 9:12 am
waterkid72
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The film trying to have some sort of main objective or driving force introduced the idea of the green mist and the seven swords. Now, whether this was a good idea or not is debatable. I think it was quite unnecesary. Regardless, what i dislike about the concept is how farfetched and shallow it is. One dimensional villains that just want to destroy are not bad, when well written. My problem with the green list is that it was left far to vague. Exactly what does it want? If it wants to "corrupt all good", why does it restrains itself from doing it with human sacrifice? Why does it uses temptation in order to manipulate or destroy victims? And foremost, why hasn't it destroyed Narnia or the world yet? The movie contradicts itself a lot with this. Firt it tells us that it wants sacrifice. For what? We're never told. Then Coriakin states that it "corrupts all good" (this line is so ridicuously cheesy...). Then why hasn't it advance towards Narnia? If the Island or the Mist wants to corrupt, why hasnt it advanced towards Narnia? Theres no one stopping it from doing so.  

I really don't mind the inclusion of the mist. Its just that how it was written very contradictingly. Also it is never really told what it truly wants or why. And why has Aslan left it to be for so long. Or why does it need sacrifice, and how did the peoplenwhi were sacrificed even survived. Most importantly, the mist didn't need to be a continuous evil presence throughout the film. What it did was simply to deprive the film from the sense of wonder and thrill of discovery. Now its all about the "temptation" and rushing to get hold of the seven swords. 

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Posted : December 30, 2010 5:00 pm
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