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waggawerewolf27
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I was just wondering as I get ready to go to see VDT. Which version of VDT do you think was better? So far, I have been favourably impressed with what has gone into the production of Voyage of the Dawn Treader, but this is just before I go to see it. Others may prefer the old BBC version.

What is your opinion, and why?

Topic starter Posted : December 3, 2010 8:22 am
icarus
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I think it would probably be too early to make a decision either way as to which was better - i would like to see both again before making any sort of judgement - but i could certainly offer some opinions as to their relative strengths and weaknesses.

The obvious big advantage in favour of the BBC version is its faithfulness to the source material. There are a couple of deviations from the plot, both for artistic and budgetary reasons, but when set alongside the Walden Media version and its Green Mist/Seven Swords plot, those changes seem so slight as to be not worth mentioning.

The BBC version also has another very obvious advantage in that as a four part TV Series, the whole issue of the book being "episodic" is not the least bit of a problem. In fact, the whole thing rather works to its advantage as it enables each episode of the TV series to have its own internal narrative and to conclude on a cliffhanger as the set-up for the next. And although the series is not any longer than the Walden version (they both come in around 2 hours) it plays out a much steadier pace, meaning that it never feels as rushed as the Walden version and allows it to retain far more scenes and characters from the books.

As for the Walden version, for me the biggest strength in its favour is Will Poulter's performance as Eustace. The BBC VDT had some pretty decent performances from the likes of Samuel West, Warwick Davis and David Thwaites (especially compared to some of the slightly stilted performances in the earlier LWW and PC TV series), but Will Poulter delivers a truly world-class performance in the Walden production and absolutely nothing from the BBC shows even comes close on that level.

Another strength in favour of the Walden version is the visual effects. They are pretty solid through-out, perhaps not as good as Prince Caspian, but there certainly aren't any of problems that plagued LWW for me, sich as poor blue-screening, day-for-night shots, and very obvious set work. The Walden Dufflepuds also look fantastic (a far cry from the BBC's trampolines-hidden-behind-hedges special effects) and the Sea Monster looks amazing (again, not hard when up against the BBC's puppet, and of course the Walden Aslan looks superior in every way (though they definitely lose points for taking his limited role in the book and reducing it even further).

However, as good as the effects are, i feel the Walden Media version is slightly hampered by the lack of real location shots and the fact that as impressive as the boat was, none of the scenes on board it ever really felt or looked real to me. So in that regard, in spite of its budget issues, the BBC version has to be commended for its greater use of location shooting, which even whilst lacking character at times (all the islands look exactly the same) ultimately always does look more "real" than anything any amount of CGI can.

I think both versions can probably be criticised for lacking any real depth or emotion. In the BBC version it can often feel like the characters are simply going through all the relevant motions from the book, but without really putting the heart or conviction into any of those moments - but as they are steering pretty close to the source material much of the deeper meanings shine through anyway. As for the Walden version, it accelerates so fast through through the opening stages of the voyage that it never really has much time on its hands to correctly establish any sense of emotional investment between the audience and the characters, and so by the time it settles down in the second half with the Dark Island battle scene and the Aslan's Country farewell scene, none of the plot lines or character arcs (bar Eustace) feel sufficiently developed for anyone to care about their outcome. Both productions can therefore at times feel somewhat hollow and lacking, though again both have their moments when they really get the heart right.

Posted : December 3, 2010 9:02 am
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As for the Walden version, it accelerates so fast through through the opening stages ...that it never really has much time on its hands to correctly establish any sense of emotional investment between the audience and the characters....

I have not seen VDT yet and only am slightly dipping into this thread out of curiosity , but your statement pretty much confirms what I feel may be wrong with the new VDT film. Of course I can't make my final judgment about it until after I watch it but I would gather that LWW did a better job?.... of establishing the emotional investment and containing enough character development to make one care what happened to the characters by the end? Because I definitely am concerned about how the Eustace storyline is going to come off....I'm sure they've hit all the main stuff with it.....but I want it to be properly developed and not "halfbaked" ;)


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Posted : December 4, 2010 8:46 am
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BBC VDT is more faithful to the source material. Walden's VDT has so many stand out performances that it's hard to compare. I like both, but for very different reasons.

Posted : December 4, 2010 1:37 pm
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Hmm... I'll have to see the movie again but strange as this is for me to say it, I enjoyed some of the BBC version much more than the Walden Media version. What the Walden Media version got right, it got very right, what it got wrong - well.

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Posted : December 9, 2010 6:15 pm
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When it came to the Walden and BBC LWW, I was slightly torn -- both were fairly good. Both the versions of PC, on the other hand, were quite weak. But here I feel like the BBC finally triumphs outright. Sure, Henley and Poulter offer the best performances in every version, and I do prefer Walden's end of the world scene, I think (though it is missing the lamb), but the departures from the book were too much for me. BBC wins this match.

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Posted : December 11, 2010 7:34 am
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BBC hands down. Yes, it has dated special effects. Yes, it has limited locations. Yes, not all of the actors are quite as good. But it is still a good story. The Walden suffers from far too many plot problems for me to ever really like it.

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Posted : December 11, 2010 12:21 pm
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Walden media narnia is much better than narnia BCC version, with all due respected. ;) :)

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Posted : December 12, 2010 10:50 am
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I'm sure a majority of the people on this forum actually agree with you about that, but it would be nice, in the interests of discussion, if you actually gave your reasons for thinking so. ;)

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Posted : December 13, 2010 11:29 am
Aravis Narnia
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Walden is better. BBC prolonged some things too much. The only thing in BBC that was better was that Ramandu was shown in human form.

Posted : December 13, 2010 2:10 pm
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most definitely Walden. I have all the BBC versions favorited on Youtube on my iPod, and i'll watch them when I can't sleep, but that's the Silver Chair version (my favorite book). Now that LWW and PC are available on DVD, I have no need to watch the BBC versions.

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Posted : December 13, 2010 2:28 pm
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I'll always appreciate the BBC films for what they are. They introduced me to the books in the first place and these new films don't have that kind of childhood nostalgia for me. Plus, you have to respect them for following the original stories so well even if it didn't make for the most exciting watch by Hollywood's standards.

There's no disputing that the new characters in VDT were much more developed in BBC than they were in Walden. In the new film, we barely get a sense of who any of them are before we're moving on to the next place in the adventure. All of those quiet character moments are erased. No more backstory for Lord Bern, no Pug, no overthrowing Gumpas, no explanation of Coriakan and why he's at Magician's Island, only a glimpse of Dufflepuds, no Ramandu and barely any information on who his daughter really is and what relationship she has with Caspian. All of this amounts to having only a shadow of who these characters actually are, hence why I think the pacing is too rushed.

And what's interesting is that the new film's running time is almost identical in length to the BBC version. It just tells you how much good material Walden sacrificed from the story to make way for their new additions which in my opinion were poorly executed.

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Posted : December 13, 2010 3:47 pm
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When it comes to BBC acting, only one character actually truly pulls off a worthy role: Tom Baker as Puddleglum. Only he provides real competition to the Walden cast. Yes, the BBC is much closer to the source material, but almost to a fault. Many here have complained about Edmund not having his one-on-one with Eustace, but guess what? BBC blew that part too. In fact, I think Walden does the concept of the undragoning and Eustace' response to becoming human again better than BBC did. I won't be watching BBC again any time soon, regardless if it is closer to the actual source.

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Posted : December 13, 2010 3:52 pm
FirstNarnianQueen
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I think Icarus hit it on the head.

BBC did an excellent job staying close to the source. Yes, the specially effects aren't great, or necessarily even good, but they are accurate. But then I like the books for a reason. ;)

Walden also did a good job of making a movie. The visual effects were infinitely better. The story was followable. Eustace was perfect. But again, I like the books for a reason.

As far as adaptations of the books go, BBC wins hands down. But I think I would also enjoy pulling out the Walden version every once in while to watch as well. In my opinion, if they could put this cast in the BBC movie, it would be perfection.

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Posted : December 13, 2010 4:09 pm
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Walden version definitely. I know that people are saying BBC version is better because of its faithfulness to the book, but the Walden version is faithful also. Maybe it doesn't follow the book word by word, but it captures the true meaning behind the book and even amplifies it. The most important parts of the book, like Eustaces undragoning and Aslans lines at the end are kept true to the book although Eustaces undragoning isn't Aslan literally peeling his skin off. He does it in a less graphic way. The addition to the original plot makes the movie better. My friend who has never read the book said he didn't really get interested in the movie until we got to the part with the added plot. Then he really got into the movie. The added plot just made it all flow together better. The BBC version was dull and boring because of its episodic and plotless storyline not to mention its horrible graphics. Walden media's adaption is the best hands down in my opinion.

Posted : December 13, 2010 4:22 pm
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