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Glumpuddle
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In the book, Reepicheep going to Aslan's country is what awakens the last three lords on Ramandu's Island. It is an elegant ending: The two main threads (the search for the lords, and Reep's longing for Aslan's country) come together. In order to save the lords, Reep must fulfill his "heart's desire" by going to Aslan's country and never return.

This was changed in the film, correct? I got the impression that it was destroying "Dark Island" that awoke them.

I also seem to recall Edmund looking towards Aslan's country and saying "well, we've come this far..." as if they didn't have any other reason for going further.


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Topic starter Posted : December 20, 2010 7:17 pm
AslanIsOnTheMove
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As I've said elsewhere, there are many main threads in VDT. There aren't just two main threads.

Reep's going to Aslan's Country was supposed to awaken the lords thus completing his character arc. In the film, however, they took another main thread, Eutace's redemption, and made that part of waking the lords. It was Eustace who laid down the seventh sword causing the lords to awaken. Thus, he did a noble thing which reflected the change that occurred in his heart. They made the waking of the lords a completion of Eustace's arc rather than Reepicheep's.

Since they chose one main theme for the movie, temptation, I can see why they changed it from the book. They made the mist fight Eustace while he was trying to lay the sword down and it was a powerful moment because he overcame the temotation to be a wimp again and just give up and let the evil win.

Just because I can see the reasoning doesn't mean I agree with it though. I think they should've kept the waking the way it was in the book.

Posted : December 20, 2010 7:47 pm
Movie Aristotle
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Here Here! Although I'm sure that our main characters were curious about the end of the world and Aslan's Country, it would've been nice if there was a bit more of a need to go there, instead of it being a whim.

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Posted : December 20, 2010 7:59 pm
Valiant
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It would have been a nice way to tie the threads together in the movie. Seeing as they wanted to connect all the plot threads together, I wonder why they took it out. Maybe they thought it would be an anticlimax to have them have to go to Aslan's Country in order to wake the Lords after they destroyed DI.


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Posted : December 21, 2010 2:58 am
Fire Fairy
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I was really frustrated that Aslan's Country was merely a side trip, rather than the driving force. I really would have preferred that the enchantment be broken the way it was in the book, but I can see why they changed it. (Like AslanIsOnTheMove pointed out, though, that doesn't mean I agree with it).

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Posted : December 22, 2010 3:44 am
Trufflehunter
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I thought it was the uniting of all seven swords which awakened the lords. Which I guess goes along with glumPuddle, who said it was the destroying of Dark Island (which goes hand in hand with the swords).

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Posted : December 22, 2010 8:37 am
Liberty Hoffman
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the way I see it, it's when the 7 swords shine the blue light that they wake up..... :D


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Posted : December 22, 2010 9:10 am
moo25
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I agree with everything that's been said, but one thing that really annoyed me about the awakening of the Lords was the fact we barely got to see them! You saw them wake up for a fraction of a second then never saw them again. It was pretty easy to forget all about them.

I can see why they changed the reasoning behind the way the Lord's woke up, but I hate the fact it ties directly into the Seven Swords plot, and it got rid of the thread through the book that ties together the Lords and Reep's longing for the World's End... :(

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Posted : December 31, 2010 2:27 pm
aragorn2
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Glumpuddle said,
This was changed in the film, correct? I got the impression that it was destroying "Dark Island" that awoke them.

The Lords began waking up when the swords started clattering all over the table, you can see them stirring.

Posted : December 31, 2010 3:46 pm
CharlotteRose
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agree with everything that's been said, but one thing that really annoyed me about the awakening of the Lords was the fact we barely got to see them! You saw them wake up for a fraction of a second then never saw them again. It was pretty easy to forget all about them.

Yeah, I thought that. I was half expecting a Eutace/ lords scene but that never came :) . I think that laying the swords on the table awoke the lords, as opposed to just defeating dark island. All the swords together defeated all of the evil.

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Posted : February 6, 2011 7:38 am
Conina
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That poor lord who had been stuck in Dark Island (and hurled the sword at Eustace) all that time didn't get to rest at Aslan's table. His story line and the others didn't get finished. And its sad since that's Caspian's stated reason for going on the trip at all...

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Posted : February 7, 2011 6:01 am
Liberty Hoffman
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when Caspian leaves Narrowhaven, he says to Lord Bern, "We will find your lost citizens."
I took this to mean not only the lost lords but the people from Narrowhaven who had been sacrificed to the Green Mist. so when the seven swords were all put together at Aslan's Table, Dark Island goes away and the lords awake.
that was their mission! :D

just my two cents. :) :D :D :D/


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Posted : February 7, 2011 8:45 am
Conina
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Its been a while since I saw the movie now. I forget are the lords asleep in the film because of the green mist or for the same reasons as the book?

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Posted : February 8, 2011 11:38 am
Bookwyrm
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They fall asleep because they started to fight amongst each other. Ramandu's Daughter states that "Violence is forbidden." at Aslan's Table. So it's similarish to the book's reason.

Posted : February 8, 2011 1:01 pm
MinotaurforAslan
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They fall asleep because they started to fight amongst each other. Ramandu's Daughter states that "Violence is forbidden." at Aslan's Table. So it's similarish to the book's reason.

Actually, not really. In the book, they fall asleep because one of them touches the stone knife, and touching the stone knife is sacrilege. This is pretty different than the movie's simple "violence is forbidden".

Posted : February 8, 2011 2:06 pm
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