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Valiant
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I think the extrodinary destiny has to do with Reep for sure, and what the dryad (it was a dryad, right?) tells him when he was a baby mouse. . Maybe he says, she said, "You've got an extrodinary destiny." So the "You've" would make sense.

I liked this music much better. I know its just trailer music, but for a trailer, this music works better. I liked Heart of Courage,but this one gives it a more mature, serious feel while still being magical.

I like Caspian's voice MUCH MUCH MUCH better. I didn't like the fake spanish accent at all. I think trying to keep up with the accent hindered his acting. I guess they can say he adapted the Narnian accent.

It still needs a lot of work, but I like the feel of this trailer much more.

they ignored the books' description of the dryads and created the absurd flowery dryads.

Oh so I wasn't the only one who didn't like this? I mean, its an intresting idea, but I agree, I liked the books description much more.


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Posted : August 6, 2010 5:01 am
Shastafan
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Earlier I asked what was the building at the beginning of the trailer. Then I watched a documentary about C. S. Lewis, and it showed pictures of Cambridge University, where he worked as a professor for some time. They look so much alike, so now I think the building is Cambridge University, or at least it's based on it! (Sorry if I'm behind in this info)! :D


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Posted : August 6, 2010 6:13 am
Glenstorm the Great
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Haven't read through everything yet, but my thoughts...

-what is that building?
-pretty cool Magician's book scene, but Georgie is over-acting a bit
-the ship looks pretty fake...again
-I think Reep looked better in the first trailer
-ok RD's star chance looked better here, but I still hate that they're doing this
-all 4 Pevensies! walking! together!
-come one! close ups of Susan and Peter but not Lucy and Edmund? [-(
-Return To Wonder wasn't there before...
-ok I have a horrible feeling about this
-wow the mermaid looks really bad
-the invisible magician is better here
-so does the minatour and sea of lilies
-it's weird to hear Caspian without that faux Spanish accent ;))
-wonder if that one of the Lone Islands

overall I think this was a better trailer. Less confusing. But what lost souls? That has me worried. Also that one bit that looks like it's in the Magician's garden or whatever...it looks like the door in the air, and like it's Peter walking out of it :-s .

Posted : August 6, 2010 6:41 am
fantasia
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For those still confused about the building, it's been answered several times in this thread, but as not everybody is reading every post (can't say I blame you) I figured I'd try to help. They say a picture is worth a thousand words soooo....

The building in the opening shot is in Cambridge. You can read icarus's post here if you want to know which one exactly. ;)

Posted : August 6, 2010 7:02 am
Maenad
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I have to admit, if I was a non-Narnia fan and just a regular viewer who knew nothing about the story of VDT, this trailer would in no way make me want to see this film. Even as a Narnia fan I found it tedious and poor-paced. It gave me no sense of story, world, or character, or even general excitement. It was almost as if the editors slapped some random, pre-approved shots together with some randomly selected publicity sound bytes and called it done. The first trailer wasn't great, but at least it still gave some sense of who was going to be in this film and what might happen. This trailer gave us nothing new. It was just a watered-down rehashing of some of what we saw in the first trailer. Whoever is supervising the making of these trailers has to be sleeping through his/her job.

Posted : August 6, 2010 7:15 am
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I wouldn't go bashing it quite that hard, Maenad (besides the inclusion of the half-finished CGI- ouch!).

I think the trailer flows at a good pace, creates interest in the general viewer, and presents enough of the story.
This trailer was introduced with a lovely shot of British architecture, much like the lion's head in the PC trailer. It then transitions into the scene with Lucy, after which the pace picks up and we see more rapid shots of different characters and scenes. It ends with Aslan roaring and a nice shot of a Narnian landscape. Overall, I think the pace and timing was satisfactory.
Tedious? But-but- but the mermaid and the star and the snow and the lilies and the magician and the bow and arrows and the lion roaring! How are those things tedious? If I were Joe Schmoe watching this on the DVD my interest would be piqued.
As for the story, we get that they're called back to Narnia, where more adventures will ensue. And that's all we need, really. It's spoilers enough seeing a few scenes from the movie, and those of the audience who haven't read the books don't want the entire plot revealed! I think people know what to expect when they watch a Narnia movie, anyway.
I do think Trailer #2's impression on its audience (and a small audience it is, being us Narniacs and those who buy the "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" DVD) should be a good impression, overall.


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Posted : August 6, 2010 9:03 am
decarus
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So if that is Cambridge then that shot of the building might be the opening shot of the film. I want them to start in our world and then move to Narnia.

This isn't the building where Edmund tries to sign up to be in the army unless they are using a different exterior area for those shots.

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Posted : August 6, 2010 9:05 am
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This just gets weirder and weirder! (sorry, couldn't resist ;)) )
In the first trailer the part where the book reacts (flipping pages) it does not have snow. Pictures found on this page at spareoom.net In the 2nd trailer in does have snow. Picture located here. I wonder if that means the book reacts twice - once after she says the snow spell and once after she rips the page? That would explain why there is snow in the picture when she slams her hand down on the book. :-

I'm guessing the book flips twice, or else the CG just wasn't done the first time around, which seems less likely. I did notice though that in the first trailer when Lucy slams her hand down, there are some tiny flakes of snow (which I think is what you're referring to, never noticed it before), and the hand slam does appear to be on the beauty spell. So it seems to go: say the snow spell, pages start flipping, Lucy stops the flipping on the beauty spell, Lucy looks in magical book mirror, maybe says spell, Lucy rips out pages, book flips again. Possibly?

More thoughts on the book scene: In the bit with the snow it looks like Lucy has only just opened the book. And I don't see the ripped page.

I wonder if that means the book reacts twice - once after she says the snow spell and once after she rips the page? That would explain why there is snow in the picture when she slams her hand down on the book. :-

Interesting theory. So maybe the book starts flipping after she says a spell? Or is it maybe trying to lead her to the spell she's supposed to say but she gets distracted by other spells?

Yes, Lady_Liln, that was the piture I was talking about. That order you came up with seems possible. The book must have taken a little bit of time before it started flipping after she said the snow spell. Interesting idea that it is trying to lead her to the spell. The book is definitely more interactive than in the book. She does stop it at the beauty spell, whether on purpose or by chance I don't know. :-

I just don't know what to think anymore... "This just keeps getting weirder and weirder" is just too appropriate. Or maybe, "All that you know is about to change."

Or we could combine the two and make it "All that you know just gets weirder and weirder" Or the version I currently have in my signature "All that we see just gets weirder and weirder" I have been thinking of "This just keeps getting weirder and weirder" and "All that you know is about to change." a lot since the first trailer came out.
This trailer left me feeling more confused than anything. It really didn't get any strong reaction from me - maybe I'm too busy being confused. =)) This trailer is missing some of the controverisal stuff that was in the first one - "I'm a King," the white witch, the fighting at Narrowhaven, the glowing sword. The effect in the garden is cool looking but it is really confusing and the part with the four Pevensies is confusing too. I'd say more but I'm at work and I have to get up five sleeping children (sorry about any spelling mistakes I don't have spell check here.


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Posted : August 6, 2010 9:54 am
Trufflehunter
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Did anyone else notice that in the shot of the logo after Aslan roars, the Dawn Treader cannot be seen at the bottom in between the mountains, like it was in the first trailer!

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Posted : August 6, 2010 11:13 am
Maenad
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I think the trailer flows at a good pace, creates interest in the general viewer, and presents enough of the story.
This trailer was introduced with a lovely shot of British architecture, much like the lion's head in the PC trailer. It then transitions into the scene with Lucy, after which the pace picks up and we see more rapid shots of different characters and scenes. It ends with Aslan roaring and a nice shot of a Narnian landscape. Overall, I think the pace and timing was satisfactory.

Tedious? But-but- but the mermaid and the star and the snow and the lilies and the magician and the bow and arrows and the lion roaring! How are those things tedious? If I were Joe Schmoe watching this on the DVD my interest would be piqued.

Being a good trailer is different than being pretty. It was a very pretty trailer with very pretty shots, but all I know from this trailer is that the FOUR Pevensies are going back to Narnia and there's a ship and lost souls that need saving (which comes out of no where, so no one has a clue why it's important or what it means!). This trailer doesn't even tell you Caspian is in the film! (Average viewers won't know about the accent change, and I predict that decision is going to confuse tons of people). The first trailer gave us more to go on: it told us it was just the two younger Pevensies returning, it told us there was a new character in play (Eustace), it told us they were at sea on a journey, it told us there would be temptation and danger.

As for the story, we get that they're called back to Narnia, where more adventures will ensue. And that's all we need, really. It's spoilers enough seeing a few scenes from the movie, and those of the audience who haven't read the books don't want the entire plot revealed! I think people know what to expect when they watch a Narnia movie, anyway.

Yes, people know what to expect from a Narnia film, and that's not good! They see this trailer and think "oh well, it'll be more of the same, why bother?". I'm saying that the trailers overall haven't done a very good job of making VDT seem exciting and new. People are used to Narnia now after two films. The third movie in a franchise is always a hard sell if it isn't seriously hyped. (And sometimes even hype isn't enough to save it). And considering VDT has serious competition what with Deathly Hallows part 1 opening just a month before, they had better step it up!

Posted : August 6, 2010 11:33 am
Valiant
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I think the Cambridge shot will be the opening of VDT, with the Walden logo turning into that stained glass window seen in trailer 2. It is like how the Walden logo turned into the moon in PC.


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Posted : August 6, 2010 4:18 pm
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There's really nothing from this trailer that changes my feelings and expectations that were given from the first trailer. Most of the scenes I have felt good about are still looking positive and those I have been quetsioning, I still wonder about.

Even though it won't be used in the film, I really like the music used at the beginning of the trailer and with Lucy in the Magician's house. This shot looks really good, really how I imagined it in the book when Lucy approaches the Magician's book. The cover also looks great (even though the cut between the two shots of the cover is really bad in terms of continuity).

The CG on Aslan, and especially on Reepicheep and the DT (particularly the shot on the open water) is still shaky (I'll accept it being the trailer of course, but it will be interesting to see the final look). Ramandu's daughter looks better and, I'm assuming we are at Aslan's table in that shot, the contrasting lighting here looks great. I still really like the effects on Coriakin turning visible again as well.

Hmm, still wondering about where all four Pevensies are in that certain shot. Does anyone else feel like the pillars behind them resemble those in the room where Lucy finds the Magician's book (a different color of course, but could there be a hint of a connection)? I'm not sure on the shot in the garden, I'm up and down on it. It just feels like Tim Burton put this shot together. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I just don't want people to assume that we're returning to Wonderland again, instead of Narnia (as the station in PC was compared to that of HP in some film reviews :( ). Still this shot does really push the idea of how color is helping to tell the story in this film and I do like that idea. I really like the color used in the shot with Lucy and the gold lion head as well as the final shot of the sunset. Both look really good and feel very Narnian. The color for this film is going to be great.

All the corny "titles" are becoming a bit old. "Greatest voyage in C.S. Lewis' epic masterpiece"... voyage is in title of the film, we get it, let's not overuse it. "You've been summoned back to Narnia, you have returned for a reason"... yeah, we get that too (even if you haven't read the book, you'll get it in one more shot). I hope the actual dialogue in the film doesn't become a step down from previous films. Bad dialogue can only be saved so much by a good actor.

Still waiting patiently for the final film...


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Posted : August 6, 2010 5:52 pm
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Some harsh reviews! I can understand...

Personally, I liked this trailer better than the first teaser. I think the marketing team is trying to focus on "Returning to the Magic of Narnia" instead of giving us a sense of what the story is about. I personally don't care about returning to the magic. I really wish they would focus on the characters and story to make people want to go see the movie. I am a Narnia fan and want to see the movie for the story, not the CGI shots. Don't get me wrong, I love fantasy, adventure, syfy and all the CGI shows and movies but its becoming too much. I don't like how that is what the trailer(s) have been focusing on. I know a lot of people that are tired of it and if we go to the movies we want to go for the story not the looks of the movie. I can compare this to the Last Airbender. It was a cool movie, visually great! But I got no stoyline and couldn't follow it and the same thing happened from the trailers. All I saw was people bending elements and fighting for some reason which was totally unclear because the marketing people focused on the visual effects.

Okay besides that, I loved the shots of Lucy going into the magicians room. That scene looks awesome. I loved hearing Caspian talking (that was Caspian, right?). I loved the widened shot of the four Pevensie's. I don't get it still, I find it fascinating and can't wait to see what it is all about. I have a feeling that there will be some heavy LB foreshadowing. That is all I am saying. (or its something from the video game like the "I am Prince Caspian" shot).

I love the new shot of RD. She looks fantastic!! I wish they would talk more about her in the trailers... I really wish that we would have some shots of Caspian, more shots of Edmund and some shots of Eustace! I really wish Eustace would be introduced in the trailers because he is the main character to carry over into SC.

Posted : August 6, 2010 6:37 pm
Beginte
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Again a wave of negativity... I must admit I frowned this time as well, since I was hoping the second trailer would be better than the first, especially finally include more of Caspian and Eustace who are two most important characters of the voyage, but no. And still no real revealing of the plot for someone who doesn't know what VoDT is about. Not good.

BUT (and it's a very fat but), it's my critique of the advertisment campaign they seem to be failing, not of the film. I hate to see how people bash the film before seeing it just because the trailer is bad. I don't see pleasure in condemning that film as bad, flunked and worthless already, especially since I'm sure it isn't so. But that's just my change-welcoming nature speaking.

One thing that bothers me is Lucy... I so, SO fiercely hope this won't be turned into a Lucy film! I mean, come on, to me it's the story of Caspian (PC is still very much the Pevensies' story, not Caspian's), it's his oddyssey, journey of self-discovery, test as a leader and person away from his land, the development of his character through the eyes of others. For Eustace, it's improvement, change of character, adding a noble touch to him, pennance for his wrongdoings and growth of his person through the voyage. Not to mention introduction of him to Narnia. And those two crucial characters seem to be missing from the trailers altogether!

At least this time Caspian spoke, but I'd like to see more shots of him, as well as some speaking and looking bits from Eustace.

That's about it, I still hope the film will be good or even great, and that it will have a lot more of Caspian and Eustace than proportionally (or rather disproportionally) shown in the trailer.


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Posted : August 6, 2010 10:50 pm
Bookwyrm
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Perhaps I've missed something in one of the posts, but I was under the impression that no one here had called the movie "bad" or "worthless" based upon the trailer. If you're talking about the criticism of the CGI, I haven't seen anyone say "Oh noes! The CGI in the trailer is horrible, thus the finished CGI is going to be crappy!" People have been very understandably concerned that Fox is marketing the film using sub-par CG images. Considering the quality of the CGI in movies as of late, CGI that looks like it belongs in direct-to-dvd movies is not going to grab audiences attention and get them to want to see the movie. Fox really needs to step up their game in this area.

Posted : August 6, 2010 11:34 pm
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