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Trufflehunter
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I think Narnia would hurt from a PG-13 rating. Parents would not be as apt to bring their children to see the film. On the flip-side, would a PG-13 rating make teenagers want to see the movie more?! I would say that in some cases, a PG-13 rating is necessary to keep the material similar. Changing Eustace's undragoning to the extent that they did makes me wish that VDT had a PG-13 rating.

I do think that possibly HHB, and definitely LB would have to have PG-13 ratings.

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Posted : January 21, 2011 12:42 pm
stateofgreen
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I definitely think a PG-13 rating would make it more flexible to appeal to teens and young adults. Some parents, even despite the PG-13, would still take their under-13 kids to see a movie rated that if they're the type of parents that prescreen and check out a movie first before bringing their kids with them, or if they know their kid can handle the content even if they're under 13. I guess my whole point is that the films be inclusive of as many age groups as possible and not just appeal solely to little kids.


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Posted : January 21, 2011 5:08 pm
Aravis Narnia
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Please keep it PG. Do not make any Narnia movies PG-13. It will keep a lot of families with young children away. In fact, some overprotective parents may not even bring their tweens and teens to a PG-13 movie.

I think all of them can easily stay PG.

Posted : January 22, 2011 1:19 am
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Even The Last Battle? Tell me, how would that be done in a way that mantains the integrity, depth and seriousness of Lewis' last entry in The Chronicles of Narnia? It can't be done. If they're going to mutilate the story to keep it PG (which they'd have to do) I'd rather they didn't do it at all.

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Posted : January 22, 2011 1:46 am
MagiciansNephew1
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No, The Last Battle has to be PG-13. If we make it to The Last Battle, I wouldn't be worried so much about box office, because it's the last one! I would want it to do well, but most kids see PG-13 movies anyways. I would say the majority of movies like Spider-man's or Iron Man's audience is kids or tweens. The Last Battle can't be dumbed down, which is the only way it could be PG. It is just so dark, violent, and controversial.

The Silver Chair will be PG, but that's what it should be. A PG movie can be pretty dark, just not overly violent. And last time I checked, The Silver Chair won't feature much violence.

The Horse and His Boy is somewhat borderline, but if Prince Caspian can be kept PG, so can this one. However, this one is pretty violent, and has some dark themes to it added on top.

The Magician's Nephew is PG. No question.

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Posted : January 22, 2011 6:37 am
Liberty Hoffman
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if LB isn't PG-13, then there are going to be a lot of kids having nightmares.....because Walden may not want a PG-13 rating, but they sure son't mind showing crazy, violent images and slapping a PG rating on it! :P
I don;t care though, as along as people realize that the story is violent and the movie gets made! :D :D


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Posted : January 22, 2011 8:16 am
stateofgreen
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No, The Last Battle has to be PG-13. If we make it to The Last Battle, I wouldn't be worried so much about box office, because it's the last one! I would want it to do well, but most kids see PG-13 movies anyways. I would say the majority of movies like Spiderman's or Iron Man's audience is kids or tweens. The Last Battle can't be dumbed down, which is the only way it could be PG. It is just so dark, violent, and controversial.

The Silver Chair will be PG, but that's what it should be. A PG movie can be pretty dark, just not overly violent. And last time I checked, The Silver Chair won't feature much violence.
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Spiderman is a good example of a movie where parents probably still took their kids to this even though it was PG-13. Again, depends on parents of these kids viewings these movies and how diligent/or how much they care about making sure their pre-teens don't see violence.


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Posted : January 22, 2011 2:08 pm
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Kids can handle a PG-13 Narnia movie. Millions of kids saw Avatar, Pirates of the Carribean, Star Wars III, Spider-man, The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Titanic, and the Dark Knight.

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Posted : January 23, 2011 6:28 am
Liberty Hoffman
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^^ very good point.
it'e very true that kids now-a-days are seeing more and more violent things and younger and younger ages. so yeah, they'd be able to handle a PG-13 Narnia movie. :D


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Posted : January 23, 2011 6:37 am
Beginte
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I hope for a PG-13, as I know that showing all the darker themes incorporated into the story would pull it along. All the daker moments in the story are extremely deep, meaningful and they carry much importance, and Rilian's torment is one of the crucial points.

I also feel a bit annoyed with the rating in general. Recently there seems to be some... over-sensitivity, to put it that way, about ratings for kids. Any hint of anything from 'reality', let's say it simply, in an actor movie immediately gets a PG-13. Just like with PC - a labor? I didn't notice anything traumatizing about it, but nowadays even a word 'pregnancy' seems to be banned from modern kids books (I don't of course mean stories like Red Riding Hood or other bedtime stories, more like books for 6+). A bit of blood? Show me a child before 7 years of age that hasn't had a gush on a leg or elbow. I understand that in PC there were scary elements as well as dramatic sufferng (the end of the night raid, the battle), so in this case the PG-13 was somewhat justified.

But what I'm very incoherently (sigh...) trying to say here, is that when I look back at my own childhood (born in 1991, it wasn't so long ago), I see things that I watched and which nowadays would be banned with screams of horror from the people handling the ratings. Remember Disney's 1996 Hunchback of Notre Dame? Do you think they would let such a film pass without age limits today? No. I watched it aged 5 and don't see myself traumatized, far from it - such films teach thinking, teach seeing evil and knowing you have the right to turn against it, but the fight might be painful, be it literal or figurative. I know the ratings for animated and non-animated films are different, but the themes shown in that particular example surely wouldn't pass today.

And yet paralelly, we have the kids watching pointless violence and aggression like PowePuff Girls and other things where it all is just about hitting someone hard.

So, to conclude my rant which I'm sure is too long/tangled/boring for anyone to have gotten that far, I do hope for SC to fully convey all the themes, the darker and brighter ones, and maybe even (though doubtfully) someone responsible for rating it will be brave enough not to give it a PG-13 (impossible, I know).

Josh, I concur! :D Kids are a lot more resilient than grownups like to imagine, and I hope that SC will draw a lot of them even if it's PG-13!


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Posted : January 23, 2011 7:24 am
MagiciansNephew1
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Actually, I think that the rating system has gotten extremely lenient, more-so than sensitive. I just saw True Grit a couple of days ago, and it was the most violent PG-13 movie that I ever saw (it was very good though). PC is an example of leniency. Other movies, like Marley and Me, Percy Jackson, and some other movies that I can't think of right now would have all been PG-13 say, 10 years ago. The rating has become so lenient that I really think it's a joke right now.

And animated movies are completely different from live-action movies. There is a huge difference between seeing a live person bleed and die and an animated character do the same. The Hunchback of Notre Dame has some dark themes to it, but themes are not what cause ratings. I've never seen a rating that says, "PG-13 for dark conflicts and themes." Instead, the ratings are all about violence, sexual content, and language.

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Posted : January 23, 2011 7:45 am
Beginte
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Well, what I meant is the rating below PG-13, so to speak... Sorry, should have specified that I know that there are more and more films that get to have PG-13 while they should be 15, but it's not the case I'm talking about. What I mean is how fervently the films get PG-13 instead PG, how the slightest controversy/hint of violence/deeper thinking immediately tends to warrant PG-13. And as per HoND, I meant that such themes would be completely cut out or at least heavily dulled down today, I didn't mean it would have gotten a rating. Just compare 90s Disney animated movies and the recent decade - see the difference? Plus, I DID say animated is not the same as non-animated, right?

So yes, what I mean is that I certainly hope they will manage to introduce all the darker themes and struggles of Rilian, as well as the more gruesome moments of his fate while getting the PG rating... It is a children's story as much as young or complete adults', and I hope that the PG rating will invite the families with young/er kids, because given the plot, a PG-13 rating might easily scare them off. And I hope for them all coming because if the SC is green-lit, it will need as big a box office as possible for the rest of Narnia films to get made


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Posted : January 23, 2011 8:20 am
MagiciansNephew1
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No, don't worry, I got what you meant, and if I didn't make my point clear... No, I meant that some PG movies would have been PG-13 ten years ago. Like Marley and Me, Prince Caspian, Percy Jackson, Tron, etc. Yes, you did say that animated movies were different, but you also pushed the fact aside. Look at Up, Wall-E, and some other Pixar movies. Those are also pretty dark. And the PG-13 rating doesn't tend to scare away families, proved by Spiderman, Iron Man, Avatar, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc.

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Posted : January 23, 2011 10:47 am
Beginte
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Ah, sorry then :) Oh, I didn't mean to push it aside, I meant that such themes as presented in HoND (take Frollo's song in front of fireplace for example - apart from what Esmeralda does in the fire, his words alone wouldn't pass in a Disney film today o.O) would be deleted or majorly softened if the film was made today.

Yes, that's true, but those are films that sport more action violence than heavy darkness (though have some of that in them, too), and everyone knows what they are. Whereas Narnia has this soft, children friendly image, and seeing a darker fourth part could make some parents of young children hesitate, and a PG-13 would scare them off certainly... I hope it gets PG! Still, many kids will go see PG-13, but not as many as would if it was PG. I can only say I hope I'm wrong ;)) :p


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Posted : January 23, 2011 11:22 am
Warrior 4 Jesus
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I'm finding ratings to be both more lenient and more sensitive than years past (at least in Australia). With sexual content they seem to be a bit more lenient and with violence they seem to be more sensitive (PC was rated M here - mature audiences 15 and over).

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Posted : January 23, 2011 11:43 am
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