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Lucy of Narnia
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I chose 'make 'em no matter what' but this in not entirely true.

Even if they ditch Will P., I will see Silver chair. I will bring my box of tissues (;)) ), but I will see it. If they recast the Pevensies for HHB I won't care nearly as much as if they do it for LB. HHB- okay, don't worry- focus on Aravis, Shasta, etc. But LB could be horribly un-relatable with recasting.

Without going into too much depth about certain situations...I say make them. But please, don't make them too bad. I will still see them anyway, but I will cry.

Of course, if they make them R rated with profanity and a whole bunch of other 'mess'...count me out! X(

Oh yeah; if they add more romance, okay. But I will be 'ugh!' if Shasta/Aravis happens way too soon and 'ugggggggh!!!!' if Eustace and Jill have romance in SC. I'm fine with it in LB but please- NOT IN SC!!!!

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Nuff said.

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Posted : March 25, 2011 5:54 am
Anfinwen
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I picked "That the films get made well, but not necessarily according to the creed of Lewis" because:
A. Narnia movies are better than most movies even if they aren't all I could wish.
B. The producers generally get some parts of the stories right, and I want to see those parts.
C. The costumes, places, and people in the movies are almost always perfect, which allows me to visualize the books when I read them.

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Posted : March 25, 2011 6:55 am
wolfloversk
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I put I can't decide... I want them made, but I'm stuck in between options two and three. For me LWW and PC were awesome, VDT was alright, it could have been better, but as time goes on I'm willing to think a little bit better of it. I think the problem with VDT had a lot to do with change- not only did they change the plot, but they changed the approach as well, and many of us still have to get used to it. In every series of such a length that I've come across there tends to be the one film/book that just doesn't quite fit the standards of the rest.

And in all honesty there is some pretty good stuff in there despite the plotholes, pacing, and random villian.

Same with PC despite the random romance, and rivalry.

And of all the book to movie adaptations I've ever seen, LWW was certainly both the closest and the best. That there says something... if nothing else. (But for me there is a lot else :P (excuse the bad grammar, I claim artistic liscence ;) )

A couple other things factor in here too... While VDT was the fan favorite of the books, it's episodic nature seemed to be fated to turn the movie makers off from the start. Secondly being the fan favorite... how easy is it to make an adaptation that will please the fans? Lots of films failed in that regard. So perhaps, in a way, it would be the film that we would be least likely to like (does that make any sense?)
Also the filmakers have been excited about MN for a veeerrrrryyyyy looooonnnnnggggg time. They were talking about possibly changing the order around way back when PC was in production. There are interviews (I'd have to find them again) where they discussed how after SC they would have some playing room, and many members of the production crew expressed interest in making MN. If this is the case, I'm hoping its because they care about the book, and if they care about the book, maybe, just maybe, they'll make it right.
HHB on the other hand has a very cinematic plot. Even though there are arguments about rascism, there's nothing worse in the book than there was in the PC movie... and for 99% of people it wasn't a problem. It's similar to LWW in many ways, similar time period, one battle at the end. And it even already has Pensevie cameos! Finally its a story about finding your freedom- hot topic in Hollywood and at the Box Office.
SC and LB will likely have some changes, but for LB at least I'm hoping they won't be too bad. Also LB might have a bit of a Box Office boost as well being the final one in the series.

So here's how I see it... If we go through 3 more not so good movies, but the last one turns out awesome, it will be worth it as long as there's not anything horrid popping through. (For definition's sake, I would not quite call the green mist horrid, horrid would be something that is in direct contradiction of the whole plot, like say for example if they cast Tash in a good light, now THAT would be horrid). And I feel like by likely hood we've got a pretty good chance of getting good films (lets say 75-100%, ie 3-4 books) and a decent chance at close adaptations (50-75%, ie. 2-3 books), so I feel as though the odds are still in Narnia's favor.

Finally take a look at what good the series has done in the world. I'm not going to get into discussion here because it would be leaning on the philisophy theology side, but if you're willing to keep your eyes open you'll see. And if you really want an explanation, pm me and I'll do my best to explain.

So overall I feel it is worth making all 7, but for mixed reasons, not all explained in the poll.

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Posted : March 25, 2011 1:45 pm
Lion's Emblem
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Good films, or no films at all.

I am perfectly content with the books. I don't need the films. But, if they can make good films...sure! Why not? I'll take 'em.

Well said glumPuddle, I agree wholeheartedly. If you're going to make a film based off of an author's book, you have to do it justice, reagardless of the changes you make. There are going to be changes from book to film, but the changes have to respect the original material. If the filmmakers are not going to spend the time (well spent time) to make the film good and right from the beginning, then they should not waste their time in the first place. A straight up bad film would probably ruin the books for me.


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Posted : March 25, 2011 5:43 pm
Watziznehm
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Okay, I think I need to clarify things a little here. Perhaps the title of this thread has confused people? (I would change it to the "Do You Care" poll, but I don't want the poll results destroyed again!) But, by my saying, "made according to the creed of Lewis," I did not mean that I think the movies should be made exactly word for word and line for line as the book. I simply meant that the movies be made in the spirit in which Lewis wrote them. As far as I know, he did not write the books just for equity gain. As far as I know, Lewis wrote the books to entertain kids and excite the imagination of adults -- perhaps. Therefore, it makes me sad to see the books treated as "the next big franchise that will make money". In this case, I judge by what I see. Prince Caspian taught me to be skeptical. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader taught me to be horrified. I have lost my confidence that these people want to make these movies as a nod to Lewis. Of course, most of you have a different opinion about this than me. But, I've lost my train up thought.

This is not a poll asking whether or not you want to see more movies made. This thread deals with philosophy. Are you content to see good (or not so good) movies that just have the label of an awesome book on them? Or, do you really.... REALLY care if they do justice to the author? Not word for word, but justice.

So, now you know why I said that this thread won't make much sense to those of you who think that Prince Caspian and Voyage of the Dawn Treader did do justice to Lewis. Of course it won't make sense to you. But, to those who think that the movies haven't done complete justice to Lewis, I want your opinion. Do you care or don't you? It's as simple as that! :)

~Watz B-)


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Topic starter Posted : March 25, 2011 5:59 pm
wolfloversk
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Well, yes I care that they do justice to the author :) I think for the most part they have already (although not all the time) But I wouldn't mind some changes so long as they are well thought out, and do not contradict the point of the story. (They could work on that a bit ;) )

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Posted : March 25, 2011 6:20 pm
Liberty Hoffman
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I am not a book purist. :P
I voted That the Chronicles of Narnia gets made in its entirety into films, no matter the quality! :D
I love what they have done thus far with the movies and I want to see all the books made into movies!
I just want them to make them all. I trust that they know what they are doing and that they will be able to get to all of the books! :D
further up and further in! :D :D


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Posted : March 26, 2011 4:23 am
puddleglum32
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Yes I hope they only have romance for Shasta and Aravis. Not Jill and Eustace!!!

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Posted : March 26, 2011 12:59 pm
Bookwyrm
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I'm probably going to regret this, but I'm curious. Liberty, does that mean you would have been happy with the hot dogs and pizza version of LWW just because it was Narnia?

Posted : March 26, 2011 5:23 pm
wolfloversk
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Well Booky, not everyone considers it a hotdogs and pizza version ;) I'm one of those who don't. I'm guessing Libby doesn't either.

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Posted : March 26, 2011 5:36 pm
Bookwyrm
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No, I mean the actual hot dogs and pizza version with the kids living in LA and all of that.

Posted : March 26, 2011 5:38 pm
MinotaurforAslan
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Well Booky, not everyone considers it a hotdogs and pizza version ;) I'm one of those who don't. I'm guessing Libby doesn't either.

I think Booky's referring to an early script idea that a rival studio had pitched when fighting for the rights to the Narnia franchise back in 2001. In the script, LWW was "modernized" to make it more marketable. Instead of taking place in England during World War II, it took place in present-day Los Angeles after an earthquake. Instead of Turkish Delight, Edmund was tempted with pizza and hot dogs. Etc, etc. It was stuff that made VDT's leaked script look tame.

I think the problem is that "The Narnia films must be made, no matter what the quality" is a bit of an extreme point of view since one can say in response, "Well, hypothetically, what if they made [extreme ridiculous changes]?" I think that all of us would reject the LA LWW because the original story wouldn't be recognizable.

For me, at least, the fun of an adaption is to see my favorite characters and favorite scenes from the book brought to life. I tend to get rather annoyed when I don't see a lot of my favorite scenes or the characters/plot are fundamentally changed. On the other hand, I like Narnia films to be made, even if they're mediocre, because I like the discussion and life it brings to NarniaWeb.

Posted : March 26, 2011 5:39 pm
stateofgreen
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Well Booky, not everyone considers it a hotdogs and pizza version ;) I'm one of those who don't. I'm guessing Libby doesn't either.

I think Booky's referring to an early script idea that a rival studio had pitched when fighting for the rights to the Narnia franchise back in 2001. In the script, LWW was "modernized" to make it more marketable. Instead of taking place in England during World War II, it took place in present-day Los Angeles after an earthquake. Instead of Turkish Delight, Edmund was tempted with pizza and hot dogs. Etc, etc. It was stuff that made VDT's leaked script look tame.

Veering slightly off-topic I'm shocked there was even such a script idea! Ugh! American Pevensies? Glad that never happened. #:-s


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Posted : March 26, 2011 6:11 pm
DamselJillPole
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I thought it was just hot dogs for Edmund. But wow I am so happy I didn't have internet then, I would have literally ripped all my hair from my head. It would have been just like Epic Movie I bet if they would have gone that route.


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Posted : March 26, 2011 7:31 pm
wolfloversk
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@Booky, oh... Sorry Yeah that I'd have to agree with you on...

Sorry for the misinterpretation guys!

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Posted : March 27, 2011 9:22 am
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