Yeah i do think he is going to save the people on the dawn treader or save the slaves. I do think that is why Edmund said you were a pretty good dragon.

They might make him earn his grace. Nonsense.

Yeah i do think he is going to save the people on the dawn treader or save the slaves. I do think that is why Edmund said you were a pretty good dragon.
They might make him earn his grace. Nonsense.

Hopefully people will see it as a change of heart that leads to redemption. Not a reward for good behavior. He could just be using his current abilities as a dragon to help the others out of guilt. Perhaps he has a moment of self reflection. As Edmund does in LWW, he realizes his blunder before his talk with Alsan .After seeing the fox be turned to stone and Tumnus in prison he realizes the bad effects of his decision. It could be the same with Eustace he never really was nice to his cousins. He sees that it needs to change. Perhaps this is the road they are taking.

They might make him earn his grace. Nonsense.

No. Based on previous information, we know that the studio (Walden) was very much against the idea of Eustace earning his undragoning. Be assured that it will be Aslan's doing.

I think the "being a good dragon" line refers to his helping out the crew with chores, and his newfound humility. The book says that Eustace's character was rather improved by becoming a dragon. I think this is the movie's way of getting that idea across though dialogue.

As far as the editing goes, I'd like to again remind everyone that these are all just clips from the movie, not finished scenes. Clip #1 shares a lot of shots with the movie trailer, making me think that they just tacked a few lines with Eustace on to the existing trailer. Clip #3 also has a few shots that we've seen before. I strongly believe that the finished movie will be much less choppy and will have better editing. The editing in Clip #2 during Eustace's fall is so bad in fact, that they couldn't possibly release that scene as is. One second he flips upside-down, then in the next shot he's rightside up beginning his tumble upside-down.

What I find really interesting at 5.5 seconds is the rock. I can't decipher what the shadow on the right side of the screen is, but it does look like the rock is moving up and down, or more accurately, like the rock has been digitally erased and the background replaced a little in each frame so that to us the rock appears to be moving. Generally they do this sort of thing in post-production right before they add in a digital creature. And notice that Eustace is looking in that direction when the clip begins. In fact, he could be travelling from that rock as the clip begins. So, putting all of these new observations together, I would guess that they are going to put a dead dragon into the scene and that this shot comes right after the first dragon dies and Eustace inspects it. This would be consistent with the book, but inconsistent with the theory that the smoke in the bottom right corner of the frame at 33 seconds comes from a dragon, -unless they throw in a Hollywood surprise and have the dead dragon not really dead.

I think all the reports seem to suggest that while Aslan does undragon Eustace that he still does something heroic during the dark island battle and that he is then undragoned after that. I think that makes the two seem connected and they are not connected.

It is the difference between looking up to only realize that God is already looking down and the idea of God forgives because you ask him. It is nothing you do not even the asking. It is all God. It is very tricky and maybe it will be alright, but i think they need to be very careful and i don't think they are doing so.

I think Glumpuddle is right in saying that the trailers look like a combination of Tim Burton and Harry Potter. However, the encouraging thing from the second clip is that it looks like neither. So we know that the trailers suck, and it's not just the movie.

But seriously why all the half-hearted marketing? The posters weren't any better than most fan-made posters, and less well made than some. The thing that stands out the most to me is that Reepicheep is both on the logo and on the poster, doing the same pose.

Just because it's early doesn't mean the marketing has to be sloppy, does it?

However, now with the release of these clips, everyone seems to have got themselves into a mass panic about Mr and Mrs Pevensie somehow both being killed in the year since the events of Prince Caspian occured, so i thought i should bring them up.

That's a good point, icarus. I hadn't noticed the letter and postcards.

I had a thought about the "orphans" line too. It seemed to me that Eustace was subtly saying something like, "your parents abandoned you for the summer, so you're practically orphans." (Not that Eustace is known for his subtlety. ) I definitely don't think he meant they were literally orphans.

Yeah i do think he is going to save the people on the dawn treader or save the slaves. I do think that is why Edmund said you were a pretty good dragon.

It's in the book that his character was rather improved by being a dragon.
He also found out for the first time what it was to be liked by others.
But to suggest he can save himself or others is a bit like Edmund being saved in LWW by just saying sorry, and Aslan not having to carry out his arrangement with the White Witch.

I think that Eustace's undragoning will be all right. You're right Movie Aristotle, from the first moment I saw it I thought the editing on his fall looked bad.

I never felt like Aslan died for Edmund because Edmund said he was sorry. I felt like that was always what Aslan was going to do because these were the four children he had chosen to come.

I think all the reports seem to suggest that while Aslan does undragon Eustace that he still does something heroic during the dark island battle and that he is then undragoned after that. I think that makes the two seem connected and they are not connected.

Didn't they already say that they removed the idea of Eustace "earning" his undragoning because they were made aware of the theological problems it presented? Pretty sure I read that a while back.

^^ I don't see anything wrong with Eustace doing something heroic as a dragon. It's all part of his character transformation. Before being dragoned, Eustace would have never dreamed of doing something like that. It wouldn't be "earning" his undragoning. It'd be a way to show how he's changed because of his dragoning.

That being said, I don't think he'd do something heroic on Dark Island. I think it's more likely he'd play a part in driving off the sea serpent. Remember Apted's quote about "a huge battle at the end with a sea serpent and a dragon"? In the book, the undragoned Eustace bravely attacks the sea serpent (and ends up breaking Caspian's second-best sword in the process). I can assume that if he was still a dragon instead of a boy at that point, he still would do something to defend the Dawn Treader and it's crew. If he does something heroic in that battle, his undragoning doesn't necessarily have to come right afterwards, and the two events can stand apart.

That being said, I don't think he'd do something heroic on Dark Island. I think it's more likely he'd play a part in driving off the sea serpent.

I'm of the opinion that the Dark Island and the Sea Serpent will coincide with one another. That's the way the evidence is looking to me at least.

Its as good as confirmed that the Dark Island is going to be the final island, and will serve as the big action finale for the moive. As for the Sea Serpent, most of the evidence so far indicates it will come at the end too (such as the Michael Apted quote you mentioned) so it seems logical to assume it might be part of some sort of final "battle".

^^That's a real brain wave silver the wanderer.

I really don't think Peter and Susan nor their parents will meet the fate they did in LB, but I did think of that as soon as I saw them in what appeared to be Aslan's Country in the first trailer.

My thoughts on the new clips. I'll probably be echoing a lot of what others have already said, but I want to write them out anyway!

Clip #1

I'm really, really pleased with Will Poulter's portrayal of Eustace. He really hits the nail on the head, in my opinion—acting that unpleasant can't be easy! Great job, Will.

I was a little taken aback that they had changed Eustace's rhyme, but since hardly anyone uses the word "balmy" these days to describe craziness or foolishness (in my neck of the woods, anyway!), I'm not surprised they altered it.

There's something odd about Lucy in this scene. She seems very little like the girl in the first two films, who had such a bright presence. She's looks, acts, and talks a lot Susan here. I hope she is more like herself when they return to Narnia. She certainly seems more like the old Lucy in the last clip.

As for Eustace's comment about them being orphans. . . . Unfortunately, at this point I think that they actually have made the change, and it's not just Eustace trying to irritate his cousins because their parents have "abandoned" them at the Scrubb's and gone to America. It would be confusing to people in the theater, so why would they throw something like that in there that's going to cause people to wonder, when it could be easily substituted with another word?

I know some people have mentioned why Lucy doesn't appear more upset, but the look on her face actually reminds me a lot of the kind of numb shock people go through after a sudden loss. Or it could be she's just appalled that he's calling her beloved Narnia a fairytale. Eh, it's hard to tell at this point.

I really hope he's just making a mean joke and they haven't made the change, though. But since orphans are so popular and literature and movies, especially ones that get sent to unpleasant relatives, I wouldn't put it past them.

Clip #2

I find it really interesting that they seem to have combined Deathwater Island and Dragon island. Pretty clever to make the dragon's hoard a dry riverbed. I miss the cave—and am hoping there still will be a cave, since Eustace will have to disappear somewhere before Edmund and Caspian come along—but I love the eerie feel of this yawning, gold-filled canyon in the middle of nowhere!

I loved the "I must be dead" line—Will's delivery of it was hilarious.

One thing I don't understand—if this canyon is really just a dry riverbed, why isn't the skeleton gold as well? Possibly there won't be any water that turns objects into gold left at all—it all ran dry long ago, leaving the gold behind. When Octesian found it, perhaps the gold was so maddening that he refused to leave it and starved. Maybe Caspian and Edmund fight over the possession of the gold itself rather than the possession of the magical pool?

Clip #3

This is probably my favorite of the clips. It's really beautiful and has a wonderful, ethereal quality to it. The lilies and the boat are pretty much just as a imagined it—that is, aside from Caspian being on board! Very disappointed in that.

I like Eustace here a lot. He still seems like Eustace, even though Eustace changes so much throughout the book. Overall, I am thrilled with Will Poulter's performance, based on these clips.

The camera angles seem a bit odd to me, especially when Eustace seems to be staring pretty close to the camera. I'm sure it'll look better once the scene is finished and in the movie, though.

I'm VERY happy that they included that Eustace couldn't change back on his own. I think that's the most important part of Eustace's entire story in VDT.

Also liked Malfhok's observation on the beginning of Eustace's lines—that was one part of the last clip that didn't seem to fit for me. I'm definitely hoping they'll include Eustace's and Edmund's conversation after the undragoning—that's one of my favorite parts of VDT.

I really like the last lines—Lucy's pondering of what Aslan's country will be like. It really captures the whole sense of wonder of that final leg of their voyage. I can definitely imagine them having had quiet, wondering conversations like that as they paddled further and further into the utter East.

Whew, long post! Overall, a lot of positives. I'm so excited to see the movie and see how these clips fit into the entire film!