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Glumpuddle
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These are more like trailers for scenes. The editing, music, and sound mix clearly do not reflect what we'll see and hear in the finished film. So we can only discuss the details within the shots.

CLIP #1
- It's cool to see Eustace apparently writing in his journal at the beginning of the first clip
- It's very important that Eustace considers himself above "childish" fairy tales. It would have been very easy to just portray him as a brat and leave it at that. Fans of CS Lewis' work will appreciate that.
- At first I was kind of turned off to Poulter's performance because it seems so over-the-top. But I felt better after seeing the third clip.
- There's something about Georgie's performance I'm not buying here. But we'll see how it all plays in context.

CLIP #2
- It looks like they have cut out Eustace' nap.
- Interesting that Caspian and Ed go looking for Eustace and then find the gold. Could this be Deathwater? Have they combind the two islands? If so, maybe this is where they have their argument over who has the rights to the gold.
- I like the location, even though it's not what I imagined.

CLIP #3
- Looks like they have taken Lewis' description of what Eustace experienced as he was being undragoned, and adapted it into dialogue that Eustace actually speaks. Possibly a great adaptation decision!
- ...That being said, I hope the undragoning scene will speak for itself without the need for Eustace to explain what was going on (him not being able to do it himself, the fact that it was painful, etc.).
- I loved Poulter's performance here. Even if Poulter's pre-dragon performance is over the top, his believable post-dragon performance may make up for it.
- I also really like the sense of anticipation that comes from wondering what Aslan's country will be like. I hope that sense runs through the whole film, and not just this scene.

Overall, a few concerns, but far more positives. Indeed, the most encouraging stuff we've seen so far.


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Posted : August 19, 2010 3:26 pm
Silver the Wanderer
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*finishes reading three pages of posts* Yaayy! New footage! These clips definitely made my day! :D

It's obvious that these clips were cut and pasted to be shorter for the Fun-for-the-Whole-Family Hour, so for all of you wondering why the scenes are so short, I wouldn't worry about it.

My thoughts:

Clip 1 - I'm really glad to see that Eustace has his journal! I hope they include some of his entries during the voyage, maybe in the form of a voice-over. (They'd have to come before Goldwater Island, though.) I'm also glad they kept the part from the book where Eustace is teasing the Pevensies with the rhymes. Will is doing a marvelous job being a brat! :p

Clip 2 - I love how Eustace starts grabbing treasure the moment he sees it - that is something he would do. You're right about the puff of smoke afterward - I'll bet there's another dragon around. But we don't get to see any dragons yet? :(( Oh well. It's nice to hear Drinian speak for the first time.

Clip 3 - Judging from this, it sounds like Eustace's undragoning is intact - awesome!

I just noticed something. In clip 2, the armband that the skeleton is wearing has a crab on it. In the book, Lord Octesian's armband is described having a hammer with a star above it. Is it possible that the skeleton isn't Octesian at all, leaving open the possibility of him being the dragon?

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Posted : August 19, 2010 3:28 pm
Trufflehunter
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I don't think we should rule out the first dragon. We can see smoke and a horrified looking Eustace right before it cuts away and shows Caspian and Edmund. Why couldn't the skeleton have been a man who was greedy and stumbled across Lord Octesian's armband and took it the same way that Eustace did? Maybe Octesian didn't want anyone to steal his belongings and gave the man a nice burst of flames? ;) Just guessing here, but why not?!?

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Posted : August 19, 2010 3:48 pm
FriendofNarnia2
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I love the look Lucy gives Edmund after he says his little rhyme, and I love how Reepicheep is staring off towards Aslan's country during the whole "Sea Lilies" scene.

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Posted : August 19, 2010 3:56 pm
Glumpuddle
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I'm pretty sure "orphans" is just a jibe and not literal. Especially since Eustace follows it up with "You're just guests."

It never even occurred to me that it might be literal until I read this thread. Yeah, he's just joking because the Pevensie parents dropped them off and left them.

Kinda miffed that they have Octesian as a skeleton, but it's not that big a deal. I suppose creating two CGI dragons was considered a waste of money.

Maybe they want DragonEustace' appearance to be more of a big reveal. If we have already seen a dragon, seeing DragonEustace might not be as powerful.
My problem is that Eustace' reaction to the skeleton didn't feel true. He would be totally repulsed.

The treasure looks awesome! $-) Pity it's not in a cave, but other then that, they got it right.

I really like that. There's something kind of eerie about a pile of intricately detailed treasure lying in the middle of somewhere totally isolated like that rock valley.


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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:06 pm
fantasia
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A few of the recent posts made me think that the skeleton there may not be Lord Octesian. They do find Lord Restimar on Deathwater Island. I suppose it is possible that Lord Restimar is the skeleton and Lord Octesian is a dragon.

Posted : August 19, 2010 4:10 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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It's great to see you happy GlumPuddle!

Pretty much everything has been said.

My thoughts:

Clip #1:
Love Will's voice. It's deep and so matter-of-fact. Will could be seen as over-acting but I think it's more along the lines of Eustace wanting to explode with rage and barely holding it all back. He comes across as serious and dull, everything Eustace should be. The costumes and set are look good (and sensible). Not sure about Georgie's delivery here. The dialogue sounds less modern, which is good.

Clip #2:
Love the look of the mountains and valley, it's very Sinbad-like. I expected a Roc to attack some giant serpents amongst the treasure. Strange that Eustace retrieves Octesian's gold arm-band from his skeleton rather than Octesian as a dragon. I think people are correct in saying that Deathwater Island has been combined with Dragon Island. Seems to work well here. Good to see something of Drinian, still not keen on Gael.

Clip #3:
Excellent! I love this scene. It's so intimate and peaceful. I love how Will apologises to Edmund and Lucy on the boat. I'm glad they retained the important spiritual themes. Also, Caspian looks appropriately Kingly.

The editing, music and sound-mixing seemed to be off and not truly representative of the end product but that's probably because they had to rush this product out the door.
There are a few concerns (others have already stated) but all in all, I think these three clips are the best material from VDT we've seen so far.

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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:16 pm
7chronicles
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Lots to read! Finally here are my thoughts:

Clip 1:
- LOVE Eustace they totally hit his character on the mark, very happy!
- They kept the diary, awesome! :D
- I definitely don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Pevensie are dead, but if they were, then it would make the reunion in LB all the more sweet.
- I think they nailed the attitude of Edmund toward Eustace, I was hoping they would keep the part from the book where they both said:

“It’s a rotten picture,” said Eustace.
“You won’t see it if you step outside,” said Edmund.

- I agree that Will Poulter has a different sounding voice, but I Love it and I think it makes him more unique. :)

Clip 2:
I Love this clip!

- I Love Eustace’s attitude and how greedy he is, very Dragonish! :p
- Like Dinode said above, me and my sister were thinking the same thing: Lord Octesians was a dragon, but when he died he probably changed back to human form, Eustace just found his remains years later. And for financial reasons I can see why they would choose to have only one dragon instead of two. :)
- If this is indeed where Caspian and Edmund’s argument takes place, I’m happy! :D
And like GlumPuddle said, I like the location a lot even though it‘s not what I pictured! :)
- Love Drinian’s accent! :p
- I wonder if Lucy remains on the ship with MLG and only Caspian, Edmund and Eustace go ashore? I don’t know why Eustace would want to go :- , but it’s just a thought.

Clip 3:
-I Love the Sea of Lilies, so beautiful! :D
-I like the new Eustace, I was nervous how he would be after his undragoned, but Will does new Eustace perfectly! I think it is very, very important for Eustace to be likeable VDT, because when ( God Willing) SC gets made, he needs to be likable enough so people will be more exited for SC.
I’m so glad that the undragoning is like the book, it’s such an important part that has such meaning to it.
-I really hope they keep the conversation with Edmund and Eustace still though.
I personally think that Eustace gets turned into a Dragon on Goldwater and get undragoned on Ramandu’s Island or right before The Dark Island, I just can’t picture him being a Dragon during the Dark Island but maybe it’s just me. :)

Overall, this is so encouraging, much better then the trailers, and makes me even more exited for The Voyage of the Dawn Treader! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:26 pm
Lirenel
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OK, totally lost my first response to this thread.

Basically what I said was: Possibly Mr. Pevensie is going to be MIA presumed KIA, since in the movies he is fighting in the war. I've always thought they needed to change the whole 'Pevensies take Susan to America' thing, because who takes their kid across the Atlantic Ocean when the U-boats are prowling? So having Mr. Pevensie presumed dead would make them 'orphans' (because fatherless children were often considered orphans even if their mother was alive), and possibly Mrs. Pevensie can't afford the house and has to move in with her parents/in-laws and only have room for Susan and sends Peter to the Professor and the two youngest to the Scrubbs.

Also, still don't like Gael.


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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:36 pm
Adeona
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It's great to see you happy GlumPuddle!

The dialogue sounds less modern, which is good.

Agree with you on both counts, Warrior 4 Jesus! :p

The editing, music and sound-mixing seemed to be off and not truly representative of the end product but that's probably because they had to rush this product out the door.

Yes, now we can see why they kept pushing back the release on this one!

Fantasia Kitty, I hope you're wrong. The idea of Restimar being a golden statue is far more impressive/creepy. I like the idea of Octesian changing back into human form after death, but the problem would be to explain that in the movie.

- If this is indeed where Caspian and Edmund’s argument takes place, I’m happy! :D

I was thinking that another reason Caspian could be saying "I'm sorry" is because they had just been arguing. But if it happens as in the book, when they don't remember anything, that wouldn't work.

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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:40 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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You guys are taking the 'orphans' comment way too literally. Haven't you ever heard children exchanging a variety of insults before?

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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:41 pm
Adeona
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I have even been involved in such an exchange, and can not recall any of the multitudes of my siblings ever calling another "Orphan" Things could be different in other families, but I guess we just never looked on that as something insulting or an object for jokes.

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Posted : August 19, 2010 4:47 pm
Warrior 4 Jesus
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Yes, well, I'm glad you and your siblings didn't call each other orphans but typically sibling rivalry involves lots of heated moments and even the nicest children can end up saying nasty things.

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Posted : August 19, 2010 5:14 pm
Dinode
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Basically what I said was: Possibly Mr. Pevensie is going to be MIA presumed KIA, since in the movies he is fighting in the war. I've always thought they needed to change the whole 'Pevensies take Susan to America' thing, because who takes their kid across the Atlantic Ocean when the U-boats are prowling? So having Mr. Pevensie presumed dead would make them 'orphans' (because fatherless children were often considered orphans even if their mother was alive), and possibly Mrs. Pevensie can't afford the house and has to move in with her parents/in-laws and only have room for Susan and sends Peter to the Professor and the two youngest to the Scrubbs.

Interesting idea, and it wouldn't ruin the story, though I would like Mr. Pevensie to be discovered alive by the end of the movie. Perhaps Lucy finds out in the magicians book. :-??

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Posted : August 19, 2010 5:27 pm
hogglestock
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#1--that "Edmund, the painting!" line doesn't seem to fit in this clip either. I'm hoping it's from a different scene--like maybe when they first see Lucy's room?
The orphans bit bothers me a little. It's not like they had to put it in to make the lines rhyme, so it sounds like an intentional word choice.

#2--I like it that Eustace is still wearing his English clothes. It would be just like him to refuse to wear Narnian clothes. :)
When I saw this, I just assumed that when he turns his head at the end of his clip, he's seeing the dragon, or at least something that leads up to his dragoning. I wonder how they'll do the actual dragoning, since they can't really have a narrator explaining about his "dragonish thoughts."
It sounds to me like Caspian and Edmund are sure something bad has happened to Eustace. The "I'm sorry" sounds like sympathy, not apology, to me.

#3--I'm hoping that Eustace's explanation about the undragoning was put here just so the scene made sense, especially since that part is over generic boat footage.
Could Caspian just be going along to say goodbye and drop them off on land? Please? He doesn't belong at the end!!
Now I want to see Eustace in The Silver Chair & Last Battle!! Can't wait to see him as a hero!

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Posted : August 19, 2010 5:51 pm
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