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twinimage
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If they're below a certain age, I think we can rest easy....

I don't know about that. The script comes first, then the casting. They may put a romance in the story and then cast young kids.
Have you seen The Karate Kid remake with Jaden Smith? Those kids were YOUNG. They were like pre-puberty. lol

Posted : December 25, 2013 4:40 am
Pattertwigs Pal
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oh wow. I will be very upset if there is a love triangle. Love triangles are not necessary and overdone. Romance is not necessary. I'm sure there are love triangles in real life but they are not nearly as prevalent as media would have us believe. It is possible for males and females to be friends. That message is important for people to hear. Assuming they cast Jill as being in school, she would be far too young for there to be an attachment between her and Rillian. If I remember correctly, he is in his 30s.


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Posted : December 27, 2013 12:13 pm
Glumpuddle
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I wonder if we should take a different approach this time around. Rilian and I always say (half joking) "Don't talk about it! Might give them ideas!" Maybe this time, we should be more proactive about doing what we can to stop this atrocity.... Petition maybe? Just thinking out loud.


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Posted : December 29, 2013 2:34 am
Anhun
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I agree with twinimage that EuJillian would be unworkable without completely restructuring the plot. Like Pattertwig's Pal, I also think it would be sick/creepy, even for people who haven't read the book, just because of the age difference.

I'd me more concerned that they might have Puddleglum played by some teenaged beefcake. I've always pictured him as older, but the text isn't explicit on this point. His comical pessimism could be rewritten as emo-chic. They might even write in a troubled past for him. Jill falls for this brooding stranger, ignoring her average-joe school friend Eustace, who becomes increasingly jealous as the story wears on . . . voila! We have EuJillglum!

I'm cautiously excited about Silver Chair, and I don't usually care one way or the other about contrived romance, but if I heard that there was a EuJillglum subplot, I wouldn't go see it.

Posted : December 29, 2013 12:09 pm
Louloudi the Centaur
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No love triangle! No love triangle! :-o Not every story needs romance.

Posted : December 29, 2013 1:05 pm
twinimage
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NarniaWeb Regular

It doesn't HAVE to be a triangle. They could go more of the Disney route and have Eustace and Jill dislike each other and all the other characters around them see that they are "meant for each other" and at the end they "fall in love". No matter how you present it, I just don't think it will work. Unless the writing is REEEEEALLY good, it's just going to come across as a typical mediocre added romance. Either way, most of us won't like it.

One thing to keep in mind, IF they add romance, it may not be as in your face as we are imagining it. In Prince Caspian, the scenes between Susan And Caspian were rather subtle for most of the time. If it weren't for the kiss scene, most people would probably haven't even known there was a romance in the movie. I haven't seen the movie in a long time, so I may be wrong. But you get my point.

Posted : December 30, 2013 6:03 am
DamselJillPole
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Anhun that would be awful :-s

And I'm with you on that twinimage, although I don't think really good writing would do a JillxEustace justice. Just my opinion.

Also glumpuddle I believe that there was already a Suspian in the talks or in early drafts way before we all started talking about it and the April Fools joke about it. I could be wrong because every time when the fans want something they don't do it and when fans don't want it they do it anyways.

I won't be extremely shocked if they added a romance but I'd prefer it if they don't and that Jill and Eustace just remain friends.


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Posted : December 31, 2013 3:58 am
twinimage
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And I'm with you on that twinimage, although I don't think really good writing would do a JillxEustace justice. Just my opinion.

I agree, no one really wants a romance, I was just saying good writing could make it at least tolerable or, dare I say, enjoyable; though it's not part of the book. Better than just being a mediocre subplot or a sell out to popular trends.

Posted : December 31, 2013 4:08 am
Lilygloves
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I really would hope that they would portray Eustace and Jill as too young, even bumping up their ages from the book, and Rilian as too old for that awkward love triangle. Hopefully they are aware that all of us are totally over love triangles. They're way overdone and just wouldn't work in the film. I appreciate the fact that Lewis didn't feel the need to stuff in romance in every book. In fact, there are really only two romances in the whole series- Aravis and Cor, which is built up over time through respect and care, and Caspian and Ramandu's daughter, which is incredibly subtle. Both are beautiful relationships that work because they aren't being forced down the reader's throats. SC has enough action and adventure to work on its own without a romantic plot point. Hopefully they've learned from the opposition against Suspian (although maybe not, considering the Lucy/Caspian reference in VDT), but still. This is a chance for a fresh start, so let us hope they take advantage of that and move away from the romance.
I do like the idea of the infatuation with the LOTGK and Rilian since it seemed excessive and added to her spell over him, but I wouldn't consider it real love. It definitely seemed to be fake and forced by the magic of the LOTGK, even if Rilian didn't know it.

Posted : December 31, 2013 3:02 pm
twinimage
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I doubt we'll see much "romance" between Rilian and LOTGK. We hardly see them interacting together in the story while he's enchanted. That is, if they follow the book. Plus I don't see how it will serve a purpose to the story. Unless they just want to make his allegiance to her seem stronger by him having affectionate feelings for her.
I doubt we'll see anything between Caspian and Ramandu's daughter. I doubt the actor and actress will ever end up on the set together. But again, that's if they stay strictly to the book.

Speaking of Ramandu's daughter, even though she's a very small part in the story, do you guys think they will keep the continuity from the previous film and have the same actress? More importantly, do you think they will actually keep her glowing blue!? I just thought of that today. They may not even mention that she's Ramandu's daughter in the film. They may just refer to her as the queen or Rilian's mother. I wanted to throw that thought out there, but wasn't sure if it warranted a brand new topic...

Posted : December 31, 2013 4:26 pm
Impending Doom
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I agree, no one really wants a romance, I was just saying good writing could make it at least tolerable or, dare I say, enjoyable; though it's not part of the book.

It might make a good movie, but to me it would no longer be the Silver Chair. There's absolutely no reason why they should have to add a romance. There's enough drama, danger, humour, action and mystery to make a great film. End of story.

"Tollers, there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves." - C.S. Lewis

Posted : January 1, 2014 3:12 am
waggawerewolf27
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I doubt we'll see much "romance" between Rilian and LOTGK. We hardly see them interacting together in the story while he's enchanted. That is, if they follow the book. Plus I don't see how it will serve a purpose to the story. Unless they just want to make his allegiance to her seem stronger by him having affectionate feelings for her.

Actually, we do see a bit of how they must have interacted from the perspective of Rilian, when Puddleglum, Eustace and Jill first arrive. Yes it is over the top, and that is just the point of the "romance". Just as in HP & the Half-blood prince, Ron acted over the top when drugged by a love potion. You have to think that there is something very, very wrong with this particular "romance". You have to feel almost relieved when Rilian is, at length, "unmasked", and that the silly mooncalf of a knight has somewhat more going for him once he is bound in the Silver Chair and is in a more realistic frame of mind.

Then there is Jill. When LOTGK meets our three travellers on the road, she is accompanied by a fully armoured knight, on a black horse. After LOTGK and Rilian pass them by, Jill, Eustace & Puddleglum discuss their new acquaintances, and what might be inside the suit of armour. Jill goes maundering on about how the knight must have been in love with LOTGK, and was silent through his adoration of her.

That, by the way, is why a romance between Jill and Eustace wouldn't work. Not because they are too young, but because they have such different ideas about the world around them at that stage. Jill is a very feminine girl who thinks in terms of admiring knights, beautiful women, unicorns and nice clothes and baths, just as a 12 year old girl might. Her experience in Narnia introduces her to all these things, but her experiences there, disabuse her quite considerably, that beautiful women can't be snakes in the grass, and also explain why a besotted young man might not be the most desirable romantic partner of a young girl's dreams, and why Rilian needs to pay attention to his father, his father's guidance, and what is called 'duty'.

Eustace, on the other hand, tends to be very practical, though not as practical as Puddleglum, who does a great job of supervising them.

I doubt we'll see anything between Caspian and Ramandu's daughter. I doubt the actor and actress will ever end up on the set together. But again, that's if they stay strictly to the book.

Maybe not the same actor and actress, though I hope so. Laura Brent played such a minor part any embargos might not affect her, and the most relevant part shows them as being a few decades older than was the case in VDT. This was when Ramandu's daughter wanted to go maying on a beautiful day, whilst Caspian had to remain at Cair Paravel to attend to business arising. I don't think that even if they include Laura Brent, they will have her shining blue. She isn't a young star by that time, and then she dies later that day. A devastated Caspian might well remember especially lovely moments in their marriage, such as coming home to Narnia, their wedding, or the birth of their son.

Posted : January 1, 2014 10:18 am
Lady Galadriel
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Even if Caspian and Ramandu's daughter aren't shown interacting with each other in any scenes, the actor and actress are going to have to have a scene or two at some point. The audience probably wouldn't be satisfied at simply hearing the Parliament of Owls talk about the scene where Ramandu's daughter is stung. I think it's pretty safe to say that the filmmakers are going to show, not tell, the backstory of Rilian's disappearance. It would be awkward to not show Rilian's parents at all.

Yes, the "romance" between LOTGK and Rilian isn't in the least a real romance, but judging from how Rilian acts toward her while under his enchantment, he has an unnatural infatuation with her. It will be interesting to see how they play this out.

Back to the issue of an actual love triangle --- the only way one would 'work out' between Jill, Eustace, and Rilian is if the two children are made drastically older, or if Rilian is made younger. But even so, the storyline isn't set up well for a triangle between the three. They only come across Rilian at the end of the book. For there to be enough time for a love triangle to develop, the filmmakers would have to do some serious restructuring of the storyline. And I am not a fan of that idea. X(

Posted : January 1, 2014 11:20 am
PhelanVelvel
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NarniaWeb Nut

There's no love triangle in the book. Let us have no love triangle in the film. -__-

That being said, I can't believe how much I'm hoping this film is amazing. Just reading what everyone is saying is making me excited and hoping for the best. I just got goosebumps thinking about Rilian, dressed like Hamlet, shrieking his head off while he's bound to that shining, evil chair. ""Enchantments, enchantments...the heavy, tangled, cold, clammy web of evil magic."" Are you kidding me? That whole paragraph of Rilian's is incredible. The book wrote half the script for them already. They don't need to mess it up by adding in all sorts of unnecessary romance, they have so much excellent material using the book alone.

Posted : April 13, 2014 12:44 pm
DamselJillPole
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""Enchantments, enchantments...the heavy, tangled, cold, clammy web of evil magic."" Are you kidding me? That whole paragraph of Rilian's is incredible. The book wrote half the script for them already. They don't need to mess it up by adding in all sorts of unnecessary romance, they have so much excellent material using the book alone.

I 100 Percent agree with this and this is perhaps why SC is at the top of my most favorite Narnia book. There's already so much there that there shouldn't be any room for unnecessary romances.
I'm just still crossing my fingers that there wont be any. Hopefully the film will be placed in the right hands.


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Jill+Tirian! Let there be Jilrian!

Posted : April 28, 2014 9:37 pm
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