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DamselJillPole
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So I guess it would be a nightmare to Caspian if he saw Susan and Peter again? Lucy's dream of something bad happening to them?

I would hate it if Caspian still dreams about Susan. He's like older then her now, its been 3 or 4 years, get over it man, and we're supposed to get over Suspian in this movie. He meets Lillindil, they love each other, get married, have kid. End of Story.

No, it has to be a flashback or it wont be in the movie


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Posted : June 18, 2010 11:32 am
~DaughterOfEve~
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Hmmm... I had an extreeeemely vague and improbable idea and suspicion (more like cruel toying with the thing than actual suspicion) that could it be they actually make the Pevensies die in VoDT? But then what - Susan as well? (for me OK., I always believed she got redemption, and the film Susan was very different from book one, which again for me is a good thing.) And their adventure "begins now" as in they go to Aslan's Country? And what then in LB? The accident features just the others and the plot goes on? Rather impossible.

Thing is Edmund is wearing a vest in that scene but close to Aslan's Country he isn't. It confuses me if these shots will be in the film or not. 60% of me is saying that it wont while 40% is telling me it will.

I was hoping it's Lucy and Edmund searching through the Cair Paravel in Aslan's Country and they revision Susan and Peter with them.

Then again I don't think Edmund is wearing the vest. I could be wrong.

I love both these ideas. Strange, I know but, they seem possible. And like Tony Nixon said on FB, they aren't going to Narnia. So he is clearly hinting at the fact that they don't return but there is some sort of cameo.

When I was going through the screen caps the background of the room with the magic book at the wide shot of it showing with Lucy in the middle and the background of the Pevensie's heroic march looked similar and I wondered if it is actually some sort of cameo/ alternate universe thing that happens to Lucy when she is reading through the magic book. She read some wonderful story and I wonder if they could have made the wonderful story about how she wanted Susan and Peter to return with her and Edmund and they were at Cair Paravel because Red and Gold are the Narnian colors... Just a crazy idea.

Posted : June 18, 2010 1:38 pm
7chronicles
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It’s one of three things to me:

1. It’s a flash back.
Maybe Lucy and Edmund are taking about something that happened in Narnia from the time they were King’s and Queens and then we hear Eustace’s voice and it goes back to Lucy and Edmund with Eustace coming into the room.
Another idea for a flash back. When they land on the Lone Islands maybe Lucy and Edmund could remember the times they were there with Peter and Susan as Kings and Queen. Like in the book when Lucy talks about going there before.

2. It’s a dream.
Maybe Edmund has a dream the night before they leave for Eustace’s house and on the way there mentions it to Lucy, Peter, and Susan who are going to drop them off at the Train Station. Lucy would be exited and want to know what happened in the dream, Peter I think would like to think of it and give a smile, and Susan could maybe role her eyes, to sort of show she doesn’t believe in Narnia anymore, and tries not to think of it.

3. My sister thought about this one. It’s sort of hard to explain.
What if the Four Pevensies are all walking back to the train station after Lucy and Edmund come back from Narnia and they are going to go back to their home in England. They have now all excepted that they live in England now for good, but it doesn’t mean they have to stop believing or being a King or Queen of Narnia in their hearts that Aslan is in their world to.
We see them just as they are in the trailer, all standing by one another, except in their England clothes, and as they continue walking England around them starts to turn into Narnia as they recall all their adventures to themselves in their head, and then their clothes can turn Narnian. Sort of like we are seeing what they are seeing with their imaginations and what is in their hearts. So the Narnia stuff really isn’t there they are just walking in England but we see it because we know what they are thinking in their Heats and minds.
I Hope this makes sense, I wish I could remember a movie where there is a scene like this for an example.

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : June 18, 2010 2:46 pm
MaidenofNarnia
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I was actually happy to see Susan and Peter in the trailer. My vote is with those who have said that it was possibly a dream or vision . This theory makes the most sense. It also neatly fits into the film without upsetting the story. To me and as others have stated I think they are in Narnia . I hope this scene is actually in the movie and not just some kind of gimmick . That would be a let down to see them in the trailer and then not really be in the movie. I doubt this is the case,though. (Someone had this theory.) I think it will be a dream or vision by Lucy . Its the most realistic option. Either way I`m glad they managed to squeeze them into the movie.

Posted : June 18, 2010 3:36 pm
MountainFireflower
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7chronicles: Your third idea would make a beautiful scene. It's something I would really love to see, actually. I think it would be sweet, and if done the right way, a meaningful tribute to the adventure that's ending...and the one that's going to begin. :) Great idea!!

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Posted : June 18, 2010 3:41 pm
Glenstorm the Great
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I really like that last idea 7Chronicles! I would BAWL if that happened in the movie. A big tearjerker. But it's a good idea :D .

Posted : June 19, 2010 10:28 am
7chronicles
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Thanks, MountainFireflower and Glenstorm the Great! :D
I would be happy if that was what the scene was, and yes I would probably shed a tear or two. :(( :p :)

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : June 19, 2010 1:05 pm
icarus
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I feel like those blocks have the same design as the pillars in Coriakin's house, just in different colors.

Agreed. I think the similarity between the style of pillars in Coriakin's House and the style of pillars in those Pevensie shots are just too great to be ignored (see comparison photo below). Granted they aren't the exact same pillars, the colours are completely different, and some of the minor detailing is different, but overall i think they are more than similar enough in terms of architectural style for us to conclude that the shots of the four Pevensies are from Coriakin's Island.

The lighting in the Pevensie shots looks very much like its shot outdoors, and the presence of greenery in the background of a few of the shots would also seem to confirm this. Therefore, coupled with the previous point about the architectural style of the pillars matching those from Coriakin's study, then you would have to conclude that the shots of the four Pevensies are from the garden outside Coriakin's house. So that would be the "where", which would just leave the "why"....

Tony Nixon said that Peter and Susan "do not make it back to Narnia" and that "All is not what it seems". Therefore you'd have to assume there is some sort of magic at work. Sticking with the previous assumption that the scene is set outside Coriakin's house, then you might also have to assume that it is a direct result of Coriakin's magic, and not as a result of Lucy reading from the book of spells, as surely she would still be indoors in such an instance? Exactly why Coriakin may want to conjure up an image of the 4 pevensies? Who knows.... To intimidate the dufflepuds perhaps? No idea.... Also, whether or not Lucy and Edmund themselves would be "real" in these shots, or whether or not they would be considered magical illusions as with Peter and Susan, i have no idea....

Posted : June 19, 2010 5:02 pm
decarus
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Thanks for the photo icarus. Is it at all possible that the lone islands and the magicians island are the same thing?

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Posted : June 19, 2010 6:34 pm
MountainFireflower
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decarus: It is possible, although I don't quite see how it would work with the plot. It's also something I don't want to happen. :p

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Posted : June 19, 2010 7:10 pm
decarus
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Yeah, i am not sure how i feel about it either. I just think that we know that the Lone Islands and the Magician's Island are both before Eustace becomes a dragon, so i just wondered if anyone knew anything about the possibility of them being the same island.

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Posted : June 19, 2010 7:17 pm
icarus
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Given how different in style the Lone Islands and Coriakin's Island appear in the movie (the former being very dirty and gritty, the latter being very colourful and magical) i honestly can't see those two as being the islands that got merged.

That said, it seems very likely that Coriakin's Island will now be very early on in the movie, possibly the second island after The Lone Islands. I believe that for three reasons - Firstly because in the trailer (and other reports), Coriakin appears to be delivering alot of exposition to the characters about the nature of the quest to come, something you would usually expect to be in the first act of the movie. Secondly because he also unfurls a big long map, which looks to me to be a map of the route they will take (similar to the Pauline Baynes one seen in the inside cover of most VDT books) which would seem to have several islands on it, and which again would seem to suggest he is closer to the beginning of the journey than the end of the journey. And thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, because Coriakin warns the characters that they will each be tested in the journey to come - a comment which wouldn't make any sense at all if they had already encountered and overcome Dragon Island and Deathwater Island (as they do in the book).

Posted : June 19, 2010 7:22 pm
Movie Aristotle
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Susan's foreshadowing is very important, still, as Lewis himself intended to redeem her, I believe the filmmakers should end LB with a scene of Susan's redemption - that would be a beautiful ultimate end to the cover and front page of the story, as they set off to their greatest adventures together.

Yes, this should be a scene after the credits.

So the Narnia stuff really isn’t there they are just walking in England but we see it because we know what they are thinking in their Hearts and minds.
I Hope this makes sense, I wish I could remember a movie where there is a scene like this for an example.

A Series of Unfortunate Events is a movie like this. At the end of the film, the Baudelaire Children imagine the burnt ruins of their house as it used to be, as it will always be in their hearts and minds.

My personal guess though, is that we are seeing something from the pages of the magic book. Perhaps this has something to do with all of the princes of Narnia fighting over the beauty of Lucy? Or maybe one of the other spells... I’ll have to read this book again to get more ideas.

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Posted : June 19, 2010 9:19 pm
HighQueenofNarnia
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I have no clue where they are... in fact I was wondering that myself. A flashback from the Golden Age is improbable because 1) Lucy and Edmund are in their VotDT clothes and 2) where would that conceivably fit? At the end of VotDT: unless Peter and Susan are some sort of welcoming party at the World's End or they are somehow magically summoned to Coriakin's Island via the Book of Spells, I don't see how they'd really fit at all.

Personally, I think that they're in Narnia. With the red building and the gold banner... it just seems more Narnian (or Lone Islanderish) than anything else. The question of the hour: WHY are they in Narnia? Or anywhere else for that matter?

As to the expressions on the Pevensies' faces: they don't look "not all there". They look determined. Destined. They're all walking firmly, with a purpose. They all have set chins. Slightly drawn eyebrows. True, their eyes look somewhere distant, but it's not a "spaced" look or absent-minded. They've got an expression that I can't really describe. But they DO know where they're going, why they're going there, and what they're going to do once they get there. They have a look of destiny and purpose. I know that if you're not used to it that it will freak you out and make you think that they have lost their minds. It does that to people. (Trust me, I get that same look all the time, and it can creep people out!) They've got set lips, chins up, very somber looking, I agree. No hint of a question in their face. I wish I could find a good word to describe what I'm feeling when I see their faces. Respect. Identification. Destiny (I know that this word is overused, but it's a good word choice for this particular feeling).

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Posted : June 23, 2010 4:34 pm
decarus
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I don't think they are at the end of the world either.

There are no clouds in the sky. There is only the open sun and the Lord watches.

Posted : June 23, 2010 5:00 pm
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