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[Closed] The Headless 'Bell Tower' Statues

MarkSommer
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I have been doing some research on headless statues and came across this web page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalophore

A cephalophore is a statue of a beheaded saint, often depicted holding their heads!
Could this possibly have anything to do with the pictures of the statues holding their heads we have been seeing from the set?
What do you all think?

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Topic starter Posted : January 12, 2010 3:12 pm
ceppault
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Certainly an interesting thought.

The look of this stature compared with those in the bell tower suggests the set piece design was influenced by this style.

Which leads me now to wonder if this will have any symbolism in the movie.

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Posted : January 12, 2010 3:55 pm
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I can understand saints who were beheaded for their faith being depicted in this way, but did the Narnians think the seven lords had been beheaded and buried somewhere, rather than sailing away?
Seems rather odd! I await developments.

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Posted : January 12, 2010 6:22 pm
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the statues holding their heads! what on earth could this mean? I am SO confused..... 8-} :D :D


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Posted : January 13, 2010 9:38 am
Tawariell
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I'm pretty sure not all beheaded saints are pictured that way, but I could be wrong. I do remember a legend of one saint from my french class last year, St. Denis: After he was beheaded, he picked up his head and carried it for a mile where he died and a church was built on the site. So, he is always pictured holding his head.

It could have to do with people who were "martyred" per se... perhaps by Miraz? And the statues were to honor them?

(EDIT: I just noticed that that was in the link... Sorry! )

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Posted : January 13, 2010 3:47 pm
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Maybe it's a nod to Narnia fans not to lose their heads over the differences in the movie. ;) But seriously, it make have a deeper meaning or just be aesthetically interesting.

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Posted : January 13, 2010 4:20 pm
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Do we know that these are undoubtedly the seven lords?

Posted : January 13, 2010 4:56 pm
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Wow, great tidbit about the saints!

If these are supposed to be the seven Lost Lords:
1. Why do they have crowns? They are lords, not kings.
2. And why depict them as headless, for goodness sakes?!
3. Why build the statues at all? What was the motivation for whatever people where behind this? It seems to me that there would have to be some sort of a "Seven Missing Lords Cult" for such huge statues to be built of them!

Also: we only see three statues, were there originally seven total? If the other four are supposed to have been destroyed in a fight, what in Narnia could destroy four such massive statues? They don't have gunpowder or explosives. A simple sword fight surely could not damage to the point of destruction huge stone statues.

This may sound like a completely silly question, but: Did they actually film the "Belltower" scene right there where the pictures were taken, or did they shift all those bells and statues from a seprate area to this warehouse just for the public's tours? 'Cause it doesn't look like there is much of a set right there. I guess it could be mostly greenscreened. But where would the other four statues have stood? There doesn't seem to be anywhere where they might fit in. Maybe they would be digitally added too (to facilitate their destruction)? If so, then how did Nicolas Greening know there would be seven of them? Was he told that by a member of the crew/somesuch, or did he just assume?

I do not think these are really the Lords.

The look of this stature compared with those in the bell tower suggests the set piece design was influenced by this style.

Which leads me now to wonder if this will have any symbolism in the movie.

I agree about the style of the statues; I can definitely see a similarity. And all I can say about symbolism is that, #1, This sure looks like some sort of special symbolism, and #2, they had better explain it somewhere, somehow in the movie!

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Posted : January 13, 2010 6:37 pm
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A couple comments in reply to your post Adeona cause its' a good one.

I do not think these are really the Lords.

I believe it was confirmed by the tour guides that they are missing Lords.

Did they actually film the "Belltower" scene right there where the pictures were taken, or did they shift all those bells and statues from a seprate area to this warehouse just for the public's tours?

I'm quite certain they were placed for the tours. The head of the Dawn Treader looks to be sitting far to close to the statues for there to be filming equipment nearby. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion. It's far more likely that only a few of the statues were moved from the room where they were filmed to the room where the Dawn Treader was at.

Also: we only see three statues, were there originally seven total?

That is the question that's been bugging me like crazy. Lets assume for a moment that there are indeed seven Lord statues like Nicolas Greening said (he did tour the set before it was open to the public). Where would they be in the movie? Narnia? The Lone Islands? Really the Lone Islands is the only location I can think of where people crawl down ropes to attack the heroes of the story. /:)

And you're right, if that's the case, then why on earth are they there in the first place? Did Lord Bern build them to honor his friends who left the island without them? And if so, why did he include a statue of himself.
It's just an odd set that I can't place.

Posted : January 14, 2010 4:06 am
MarkSommer
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Thanks for all the replies. This should prove to be interesting when the film comes out!

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Topic starter Posted : January 14, 2010 9:06 am
Liberty Hoffman
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I wonder what they are trying to imply by having the statues holding the heads.....? and why are they going to be in Gumpas' castle?


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Posted : January 14, 2010 9:09 am
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I've wondered if perhaps the bell tower and statues might be in Narnia proper and not on the lone islands. At least the Telmarines would have a reason to build it. They have no idea what has happened to their beloved 7 lords.

I rather think the lone islanders wouldn't care. At least not enough to build huge statues of them.

The cephalophores were a great find! Thanks for researching this!

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Posted : January 14, 2010 5:57 pm
MarkSommer
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I am thinking the three headless statues are not the missing lords. One of the pictures from myartismylife shows the bell that was being carried by two faun statues, and says: "The bell that the fauns are carrying has carved on it the seven lords this is the first of the two pictures I have sent you. It is Lord Octesian." (He also sent a picture of Lord Rhoop.) It could be the lords are only depicted on the bell, and not by the large statues.
The statues have crowns, which seem to indicate they are kings rather than lords. If the bell tower is supposed to be round, this would be only part of it, and the statues could be of past Telmarine kings. (There would be plenty of room for at least 9 statues.) The caption to one picture says the bell tower was attacked, and some of the statues damaged.
Could it be that King Caspian (X) had the bell tower built on the mainland, and the attack has something to do with the "unfathomable fate"? But why he would depict the kings as decapitated is beyond me. :-

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Topic starter Posted : January 15, 2010 6:55 pm
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