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7chronicles
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I was thinking what everyone thought, should they expand the Dark Island scene in VDT or leave it just as the book tells it. In the book Edmund spots something "like a great dark mountain rising out of the sea on their port bow."
After they altered their course toward it they reach it around nine the next morning and see that it isn't land, but a darkness. A darkness that Lewis describes "Like if you imagine yourself looking into the mouth of a railway tunnel-" Caspian asks if they go on. Drinian says no and several other sailors agree with him along with Edmund and without speaking Lucy and Eustace do as well. But after Reepicheep asks them all why they shouldn't and asks them all why they should be afraid of the dark, (they have to keep Reep's speech in the movie) Caspian says he will go on if Lucy is ok with it. Lucy says she's game and then they light the lanterns on the ship and head forward.
(One of the reasons I so badly wanted them to include lanterns on the Dawn Treader was for this scene alone. Seeing the lights brightly in the dark ahead and then looking back and seeing the bright sun and little by little the darkness creeps slowly over the whole ship as it sails deeper and deeper in the darkness.) Once they entered the Darkness everyone but the rowers became cold, Edmund noticed that the water had a greasy sort of reflection and the ripples were heavy, small, and lifeless.
It was after this that they heard a cry in the darkness. (For me this was one of the things that made you really feel that this is not a place you want to be. To hear that clear scream in the middle of the dead silence a scream that would sent shivers up your spine.) After they find the man, who is Lord Rhoop. He tells them to get away from the place that it is the Island where dreams come true. Everyone is glad at this news, some say that it was the Island they had been looking for all their lives, that they would find their loved alive again. But Rhoop stops them all short and says, that was the very talk that brought him there. He said that he would better have been drown or never born. That this was the place where dreams came true not daydreams.
It took everyone half a minute to think of all the terrible dreams they had in the past, then everyone in a panic tried to find their way out of the Darkness all of them start panicking and they start to hear things like scissors, things crawling up the ship. Everyone’s yelling that they will never get out. Then Lucy says “Aslan, Aslan, if ever you loved us at all, send us help now.“ Then a light ahead fell upon the Dawn Treader and an Albatross (Aslan) comes out of the light, it came near and whispered to L ucy “ Courage, dear heart,“ and then Lucy felt sure it was Aslan’s. Drinian follows the albatross and it leads them out of the darkness into the light and then the darkness vanished, gone forever.
This part in the book has three of my favorite quotes in the whole book so I hope they keep all three in the movie.
I myself don’t think they should change anything, I really think the idea of your nightmares coming true is convincing enough that this place is a place you don’t want to be stuck in, and just how scary it would be to be in that situation. But it makes me wonder if they will expand on this part, maybe they will find Rhoop on the Island itself. Maybe they get stranded on the Island and have no choice but to go ashore. So what do you think, should they expand this part, or do they leave it exactly like the book tells it?

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Topic starter Posted : September 22, 2009 8:21 am
KingofKings'Daughter
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I think that they should make it VERY SCARY!!!...Well maybe not TOO scary for younger kids that'll be watching. But it's kind of hard for me to imagine this scene for the movie. And yeah, they should expand it. I think it can tell a little more about each character in a way. I dunno.

Posted : September 22, 2009 1:21 pm
GlimGlum
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Good topic, 7chronicles. We had a similar poll back in August of last year. The topic title was: VDT The Dark Island: Better less than more? Old poll link

My thoughts at the time were:

Since the Dark Island should be a very tense, mysterious, and dramatic sequence in the film, it needs to be done just right. I think letting the audience use its imagination as well as the crew of the Dawn Treader would be the best way to go.

As the book emphasizes sounds more, I am in favor of the crew of The Dawn Treader hearing things as well as the audience. It would be more effective and nerve-racking if nothing was shown

Haven't changed my mind. Less is more. Just the sounds and character's reactions should be scary and intense enough. :|

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Posted : September 22, 2009 3:05 pm
narnian1
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All I say is that they should NOT land on the island and explore.
I'm 100% against that. It needs to be like the book, which is what I voted for. I love GlimGlum's thoughts on it though, and the book supports it very well.

Otherwise I'd have to change my vote to "make it scarier"

Posted : September 22, 2009 3:37 pm
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I love the part in this scene with Lucy and the Albatross. And how Lucy is in the Crow's nest. She is almost alone, and isolated from the other well known characters on the deck below. She is cut off from everyone she knows, in a sense. For me, that also adds an element of fear. It's just the feeling of it. It also adds an almost omnipotent view point, which C.S. Lewis used to good effect in the book. She definitely has to be in the Crow's Nest in the movie.

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Posted : September 22, 2009 4:20 pm
7chronicles
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The reason I thought they might land on the island in the movie was because a while back when that Mermaid concept art was put out on NarniaWeb and then removed, I missed it and went looking for it.
I went on IMDB and found a link to the art but along with the mermaid concept was a few other pieces that featured what looked like Edmund, Caspian, Lucy, Eustace and Drinian in some sort of large cave with a rock that looked like a large dragon head.
Anyway the only place I could think the concept could be for was the Dark Island. I wish I could post the pictures, I saved them, but I don't think I'm aloud to post them because when I sent them into NarniaWeb they were never posted, so unless someone can tell me other wise, I can't post them. But I would like to if someone could tell me if I were allowed. :-

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Topic starter Posted : September 22, 2009 4:28 pm
decarus
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I actually think this is one of the islands that could be cut. I still don't believe they will keep all the islands. The problem would be that they find a lost lord on this island or around it. I don't think they will cut it, but i could see the loss of it changing the story very little. For me, the most important islands are the Lone Island, Dragon Island, Deathwater Island, and Ramandu's Island, as well as the worlds end which isn't an island, but is important.

To lose any of the other islands would not be that great of a loss for me.

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Posted : September 22, 2009 4:38 pm
Bookwyrm
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7chronicles, that sounds like some of the concept art for the leaked script from awhile back. That's all been scrapped.

I want it to be like the book. I don't particularly want some massive EPIC scene in which the Dawn Treader crew battles an army of nightmares or something.

Posted : September 22, 2009 4:49 pm
7chronicles
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Oh, good, because I was a little worried they would overdue this part. I'm a bit more relieved that it's nothing #:-s I hope it stays like the book, and I like your idea GlimGlum, let the audience hear what the crew hears That will be scary especially in the dark theater!

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Topic starter Posted : September 22, 2009 4:57 pm
ellz_bellz
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I believe that it need to be quite scary, as each of the crew members will be experiencing their own dreams, and its a scene that calls for some strong acting from all members of the crew, espeically for Lucy. It kinda needs to have that eeire, uneasy, suspenseful air, not the terrifying, monster air that we have had from LWW and PC (White Witch anyone??)

If they cut this scene I will be very upset. Very VERY upset. Heads will roll.

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Posted : September 22, 2009 10:01 pm
GlimGlum
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If they cut this scene I will be very upset. Very VERY upset. Heads will roll.

This is one scene I am really looking forward to. And since they hired Bruce Spence to play Lord Rhoop, I think it far more likely than not that we will see The Dark Island scene on the big screen.

I just can't imagine the Dawn Treader picking up Lord Rhoop from Burnt Island or any other for that matter. =; That would be too much to take. [-(

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Posted : September 23, 2009 8:12 am
Larien
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They have absolutely GOT to keep Reep's speech! That is the best part of the whole scene... :D :D I'm going to die if they don't!

The best way to do this scene is to copy it right out of the book. Anything more and they will really screw it up. I think this part could be really great or really awful depending on which the filmmakers choose.

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Posted : September 23, 2009 9:39 am
caboo29
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Keeping it as close to the book as possible will make it creepy, but not too much so. I'd like it to be very dark with only the lanterns lighting up some of the ship. I think they should have the crew hear things and react to imaginary things, but not actually show people's nightmares. If they showed a huge pair of scissors opening and shutting, no one would take it seriously. And please, no big nightmarish army that they have to battle, sounds like something Potc would do, cheesy and unnecessary.

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Posted : September 23, 2009 9:57 am
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They could have Eustace have a ngihtmare about a bad haircut or about who he used to be before Dragon Island. They could have Edmund have a nightmare of who he used to be in LWW before his redemption. I woudl love to see their characters and how they changed.

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Posted : September 23, 2009 10:07 pm
TheGeneral
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I would like to see the scene like the book did it. It's one of those scenes where very little happens, but it's still so scary. In fact, it was the scariest part of the book for me, even before the sea monstar. I've had some pretty horrible nightmares, and thinking of those coming true.. #:-s

Posted : September 24, 2009 2:11 pm
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