Here are a few dumb decisions made by King Caspian:
1. Bringing Eustace to the Lone Islands. When they arrive, Caspian and Edmund look at the island and say it looks "suspicious." Caspian loads a crossbow and says "If we don't return soon, send a search party."
Why on earth would they bring Eustace ashore at all if they were suspicious? They should have left Eustace on the Dawn Treader with the crew. What use could Eustace possibly serve? Or, at the very least, why not leave him with the boats?
Caspian then decides to take only the most important people with him....and Eustace. Why? I really don't know. And of course, it is Eustace being captured that ends up in all of them being captured.
They are all complaining about Eustace being there, and Eustace wants to leave. Why would they bring him at all?
(In the book, there is no reason to be suspicious of the Lone Islands)
2. Announcing that he is king after being captured. Just after they put Caspian in handcuffs, Caspian announces that "I...AM...YOUR...KING!" Book-Caspian is much smarter: "It's just possible they may not still acknowledge our over-lordship. In which case it might not be quite safe to be known as the King." (Ch. 3)
3. Sleeping on the shore. When they reach the Dufflepud's island, it is almost dark. Caspian decides to sleep on the shore and explore in the morning. I cannot imagine why they wouldn't just sleep on the ship where it is safer and more comfortable, and then explore in the morning. Again, Book-Caspian is smarter: "That idiot Caspian wouldn't let us go ashore because it was getting dark and he was afraid of savages and wild beasts." (Ch. 5)
4. Not posting a watch! As if deciding to sleep on the shore wasn't dumb enough, Caspian then decides not to post a watch in this unknown place. This allows the Dufflepuds to walk in right among them and kidnap Queen Lucy right under their noses. You might say "they were only able to do that because they were invisible." But no one notices Lucy floating into the air and then away from camp. So even if the Dufflepuds were visible, Lucy would still have been kidnapped.
The only reason I can think of for the first decision is that Caspian doesn't really know Eustace yet. All he really knows is that this is a cousin of the Four Kings and Queens of Old, and that Edmund doesn't like him. Caspian might think Eustace has the potential of being like his cousins - it may even be an attempt by Caspian to try and help Eustace grow as a person by involving him and giving him some responsibility.
For number 4, it is possible that there *was* a watch, but they either fell asleep or are very unobservant.
Number 3 is just a plain, stupid decision. Particularly letting *Gael* stay with them - what reason is there whatsoever to have her on shore? Just to have the Dufflepods choose between her and Lucy - not that the movie even mentioned a reason the reader had to be a girl. Actually, you can include taking Gael on the Dawn Treader to Dark Island as another stupid decision - they could have easily left her on Ramandu's Island with a babysitter (either a crewman, Lilliandil, or, I don't know, *her father*)
Number 2 could have been a heat-of-the-moment exclamation of incredulity. As it is, I'm trying to figure out what Glumpas was thinking not putting Edmund and Caspian on the slave block - logically, they would raise the most money, more than scrawny Eustace or small Lucy.
So I agree, stupid decisions though they could have been explained if, you know, anything in the movie had been explained at all.
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Yeah, Caspian has made some pretty stupid decisions here...
Reason Number 1 could be justified, especially if Caspian was just trying to be fair to Eustace. But still, if you want to explore a possibly dangerous and suspicious island, go ahead by all means, but don't bring someone (which means a brat) that'll blow your cover and get you captured. I think it wouldn't be bad if Eustace came along and there was nothing to worry about, but since Caspian had to say that, it really makes this a very ridiculous choice.
Number 2 doesn't really bother me, but like Caspian really thinks they'll believe him and care is a bit of a puzzle to me. After all, it's been years...
Number 3 and 4 are probably his worst mistakes. Look back at PC. Yeah, the Pevensies might've been a huge part of it, but they were always cautious and watching out for trouble at Aslan's How. I wish Caspian would've shown that he knew how important it is to be careful when messing with a island you've never been to before.
I can see this (although I still oddly enough LOVE the movie! ), and I hope Caspian and the other kings in later films won't make those mistakes again...
5. Bringing Gael along into the Dark Island and letting her stay up on the deck and watch. This is fairly self-explanatory. Lucy is the only one who finally sees the irresponsibility in this.
Ahh they all drove me crazy!! I also agree with Lirenel that the slave traders not trying to sell Edmund and Caspian was dumb and MinotaurforAslan that they should not have brought Gael into Dark Island.
If the screenwriters did see the obvious stupid choices the characters made when they wrote the script, then I am assuming they chose to ignore it.
The characters in the book, and even in the first two movies, were not like this! I suppose that since they wasnted to speed through the movie quickly, they let the characters make these annoying mistakes so that they could move the story along.
Lirenel, those might have been some good justifications, but since, like you said, they didn't show them in the movie (ex. they didn't show a watch falling asleep) I can't excuse the filmmakers.
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Let's just say Lucy may have been put first because she was female. I will leave it right there due to ratings on this board. Use your imagination.
I think their saying that Gael and Lucy were female is just acknowledgement of a fact. But they could and probably would have picked a reader of either gender. Lucy was just the first reader they saw.
I think Caspian and Edmund were going to be sold, the slavers just wanted to keep them locked up until last minute, to keep them from trying anything. Not that the two would have succeeded, but the slavers probably didn't want to have to beat them up anymore than necessary - who wants to buy a slave who's injured? They were bringing them out right before the fighting began, remember? I think Pug was just saving them for last, so-to-speak.
That issue with Caspian (and Drinian) irresponsibly letting everyone sleep on shore without posting a watch (!) drives me nuts. I think it's even worse then Caspian announcing his kingship. I mean, come on, Drinian is an experienced, careful sea captain, and Caspian is a king who's led a guerrilla army. Give me a break! Between them, they showed less sense about dangerous situations than my teen sister!!
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It was just stupid of Caspian to go and search Goldwater island with only Edmund when they knew Eustace was missing, and that something clearly was not right..
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1. Bringing Eustace to the Lone Islands.
I don't think this was stupid, after all Eustace was the Pevensies cousin and he probably asked to come since he would not want to be alone with the "abusive" crew of the DT while the only people he knows and "trusts" go ashore. And I think Caspian would have trouble saying no since he is a relative of the ancient kings, and Lucy probably would have asked for him to come too out of her tender heart.
They are all complaining about Eustace being there, and Eustace wants to leave. Why would they bring him at all?
Were they? I don't remember then ever complaining about Eustace being there, Where was that?
The first point.....I totally noticed that too. The only explanation was that he didn't want to leave him with the crew because he was too annoying lol.
It was a poor decision.
The second point......This one didn't bother me very much. I think he was angry and was hoping to remind how serious their crime was.
The third point.....Agreed. I can't understand the logic in this. Weird. I think that It was merely one of those points that the film makers would hope that we would over look.
The fourth point.....Complete foolishness. Maybe he posted a watch and the watch feel asleep. Maybe it will be in the deleted scenes. This one annoyed me too.
1. Bringing Eustace to the Lone Islands. When they arrive, Caspian and Edmund look at the island and say it looks "suspicious." Caspian loads a crossbow and says "If we don't return soon, send a search party."
Why on earth would they bring Eustace ashore at all if they were suspicious? They should have left Eustace on the Dawn Treader with the crew. What use could Eustace possibly serve? Or, at the very least, why not leave him with the boats?
I thought that was pretty stupid too, another thing I couldn't help but think a little silly was that Caspian took just Edmund, Lucy and Eustace with him. He knew the place was dangerous, he himself said that if they don't return to send a search party. Why not take a couple of sailors with you too then. In the book it made mroe sense. They just wanted to visit an island that was uninhabited and then accidently met up with the slave traders who tricked them and captured them. In the movie, everyone abviously knows that it is dangerous and yet still Caspian sets out on his own, it seemed a little irresponsible to me.
number 2
Yeah I admit this was very stupid, but then maybe he was just desperate, confused and scared and wasn't thinking properly
number 3
I never understood this either. Why not spend the night on the ship and then come and explore the island in the morning when it is light. And letting Gael sleep in shore with them in an unkown and possibly dangerous island, what was Caspian thinking. The first time I watched the movie and saw Gael sleeping with them on the shore I thought 'oh come on they've got to have more sense than that, whoever thought to bring her on shore anyway.' I also wonder why her father didn't make her stay on the ship where it was safer
number four
agreed no watch was silly, and perhaps there was watch and it fell asleep, but somehow the two times I saw the movie I got the impression that there was no watch, but then that could be just my inability to notice things
number 5
oh yes I agree it was just silly to take Gael to the dark Island, leave her on RD Island where it is safe, the little girl has been exposed to enough danger already, why take her to a place where her worst nightmares can come true I'm confused
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Some of Caspian decisions weren't clever but it was more than made up for with his great speech before they enter Dark Island. That was pretty emotional, and when everyone cried 'For Narnia' spontaniously i got a frog in my throat. And when he touched the water of the wave before Aslan's Country, you can see his eyes are teary. And then he says yet another couple of great lines. Ben Barnes did an amazing performance!
I don't think anyone is questioning Ben's acting, just commenting on the screenwriters deliberately giving Caspian the Idiot Ball to make their thin plot work.
For #1, I always figured they brought him along because he was sea sick and walking around on land might help (along with him being too annoying for the crew), however that doesn't really mean that they should have brought him to the bell tower... if I were Caspian I would have just left him by the docks to wait or something
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I think it's mainly the scriptwriters who aren't thinking. And we are talking about the same guys who also wrote PC. I can list so many other things about Caspian's unwise decisions but I'm just not going to waste my time over it. Only people in real life make mistakes, more worse than Caspian in these films. It's a part of being human. He feels human to me.
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