I...I don't know what to say. Parts of the most recent overview look more promising. I don't really mind Edmund being mean to Eustace, because that was the vibe I got from the book originally. Since this overview didn't mention the whole "Aslan gives them a choice to go to his country or England" thing, perhaps that was a mistake on the part of the original mention, which is promising.

If they keep Caspian's line about thinking Lucy is Susan I think I may throw things at the movie screen again (like with the Incident-that-has-since-been-described-as-The-Kiss-but-which-I-refuse-to-acknowledge-ever-happened). No, just...no.

I don't mind Edmund being mean either because that is also how i felt he acted in the book.

How can you possibly argue that Aslan's power isn't diminished? The White Witch comes back not once but twice now after Aslan destroyed. It's as if God finally ganked Satan and a couple of years went by and Satan wandered back into the world to start causing trouble again. If the WW can come back from Aslan BITING HER HEAD OFF then she is at least as powerful as he is because he is incapable of keeping her dead.

The Aslan's Country report sounds worse than the other two. And the Aslan's country people are familiar with the books, so the argument that "Oh, these people just misunderstood because they don't know the books." doesn't fly anymore.

Caspian mistaking Lucy for Susan is absurd. If Caspian is clueless enough that he thinks Lucy is Susan, than he is obviously unfit to be king because he is a moron. And the fact that he jumps to the assumption that she is Susan doesn't bode well for our hopes that Susaspian would not be brought up.

Edmund sounds like a jerk in this movie. Every bit as immature as Eustace, which makes it worse because Edmund knows better.

Again, references to Lucy being kidnapped.

And the WW is in the Dark Island? At this point, the LotGK freaking soul-eating cave sounds good. At least it wouldn't be the WW returning from the dead again.

I hate the follow the blue star nonsense. All the Narnian star lore scrapped. But Walden was okay with the floating flower petal dryads which clearly defied the books' descriptions of dryads, so why should we be surprised? And what's this changing form nonsense? She shapeshifts too? Besides being the Glowy Exposition Orb?

Oh and the WW is possibly taking on the form of the sea serpent? Wow, that doesn't sound at all like some other character does it? Even if they don't go the WW=LotGK route in SC, having the WW take on sea serpent form in VDT guarantees most of the non-book fans who watch SC (if it gets made and at this point I don't want it to) will assume that she is the WW.

If everything we've heard over the last few days is true, then I have no respect left for Walden and I hope the movie flops. I'd rather never have another CoN movie than see the books be trashed and mutilated to suit studios who think the world is made up of ADHD-ridden masses who can't watch a movie without action and cheesy angst shoved into every crevice. I guess at this point we shouldn't be surprised. This is the company that gave us The Seeker and Journey to the Center of the Earth, two movies that could not possible have been worse adaptations of great books.

The White Witch was killed in LWW.
Having her in PC is understandable (if extrapolated on).
Having her in VDT is pushing it if there is anything beyond her just being a horrible memory of Edmund's, come to haunt him in his dream-awake state.

I hate the idea of the White Witch taking on the form of the sea serpent. Ick. As for the crush Edmund has on Liliandel, I don't have a problem with it if it's extremely short-lived (just that comment). He's a young man and she's a beautiful woman. It's natural and it's not like he's going to try to marry her or anything.
I think it's a bit early to say anything about Edmund.

Walden make some great decisions and some truely bad ones. How does that happen?

Basically, I think the first half of the film sounds like it could be really good. I love the sound of Eustace - he should be great. The Edmund/Eustace thing sounds a bit exaggerated but I can live with it. On board the ship sounds really good. I think Reepicheep will be so cool - just as I imagine him to be. Visually, the film has the potential to be stunning and I’m sure with the time they have had to work on it the cg will be good. I read somewhere that Apted said that 2D will be ready in 2/3 weeks time and 3D in 6/8 weeks I believe. Point being they have no excuses for crummy cgi. I have a feeling that the last scene with Reep heading off to Aslan’s country will probably be sensational. I really hope they get a spiritual feel to this scene.

I have hopes that the Lucy/dufflepuds thing will actually turn out to be a case of Lucy volunteering to go and say the spell and Caspian, Edmund and the crew only thinking she has been kidnapped. I think the trailer indicates that this aspect of the book has been left intact. In the footage we have seen Lucy walks slowly towards the book of spells and then flicks through the pages. Nowhere does it appear that she is being forced to go into the room. If some invisible force had dragged me into a room and told me to say a spell I wouldn’t be calmly flicking through the pages of the book and trying random spells out!!! Wolflovesk gives a very good outline of the possibilities that are presented in this scene on another thread (What Actually Happens to Lucy in This Clip) Anyway, I feel there is hope for this bit yet. It might even turn out to be a really clever idea on the part of the director and one that really works. I think it is important that Lucy is shown as volunteering to perform the spell. It makes her character so much nobler if she does it of her own accord. There is no merit in being forced to do something.
Which brings me to the save- the –world- through –the- seven- swords -for –the- seven -lords thing. Films where the whole world gets saved from a nameless fiend and a horrifying end get a bit cliché after the first 579,0000 times As far as the White Witch is concerned I suppose the best way of looking at it is that the White Witch is Narnia adapters representation of evil. Thinking along these lines I suppose you could argue that while the world exists evil never dies. Not saying I agree with this but it is an alternative viewpoint and maybe that is what they are thinking of. I agree though that it does diminish Aslan’s power. It would have been better if they had made a different witch to be the evil power for this film. I mean when Lucy and Edmund find out she is still going aren’t they going to wonder if they are ever going to get rid of her!?

As for the Edmund/Liliandil angle that has been hinted at........... suffice to say I just can’t believe it. I’m just hoping and hoping that that is the only reference to any Edmund/Lilliandil link in the entire film. Even then it’s bad enough – it just takes C.S Lewis’s classic book and drops it in the 21st century – not a good idea. Additionally, I think the lines Caspian says when he mistakes Lucy for Susan and the line where Lilliandil says something about being a distraction sound like they could be the two corniest lines in the entire Narnia franchise. Why do filmmakers have to add a high school element to every flippin’ film they make? Perhaps if enough people complain they will take the lines out = wishful thinking?

Anyway that’s enough of me. Hope I haven’t bored everyone to tears I’m still kinda hopeful for the film although not nearly as much as I was a few days ago. Still I won’t be panicking too much until I see the super trailer. I think some things we have heard may be more of a case of people’s interpretations rather than what actually takes place. I’m hoping that anyway!!!

Eowyn

How can you possibly argue that Aslan's power isn't diminished? The White Witch comes back not once but twice now after Aslan destroyed. It's as if God finally ganked Satan and a couple of years went by and Satan wandered back into the world to start causing trouble again. If the WW can come back from Aslan BITING HER HEAD OFF then she is at least as powerful as he is because he is incapable of keeping her dead.

The Aslan's Country report sounds worse than the other two. And the Aslan's country people are familiar with the books, so the argument that "Oh, these people just misunderstood because they don't know the books." doesn't fly anymore.

Very true. On one hand, it sounds like the characters are receiving more justice than they did in PC, but it's like they read VotDT and thought, "Oh, it's a fairy tale, seafaring adventure story! As long as the film is like that, it's fine!"

No. The book tells a story of doing the honorable thing to right a wrong that was done (retrieving the seven lords), risking life and limb to learn more about Aslan and perhaps see his country, gaining humility and realizing the source of redemption (as we see with Eustace's undragoning and the ship being rescued from the dark island). The film seems to be capturing hardly any of that.

Caspian mistaking Lucy for Susan is absurd. If Caspian is clueless enough that he thinks Lucy is Susan, than he is obviously unfit to be king because he is a moron. And the fact that he jumps to the assumption that she is Susan doesn't bode well for our hopes that Susaspian would not be brought up.

Edmund sounds like a jerk in this movie. Every bit as immature as Eustace, which makes it worse because Edmund knows better.

Well, it does make me wonder back to the old script and the possibility of a Lucpian. Oh no... Maybe we'll see Ramandu's daughter slap Caspian to his senses.

As for Edmund, I don't pick that up. He doesn't sound like a jerk, though he sounds less mature than he was in the book. Why do the kings of Narnia have to have these hangups about "I wish I were king in this world"?

And the WW is in the Dark Island? At this point, the LotGK freaking soul-eating cave sounds good. At least it wouldn't be the WW returning from the dead again.

I hate the follow the blue star nonsense. All the Narnian star lore scrapped. But Walden was okay with the floating flower petal dryads which clearly defied the books' descriptions of dryads, so why should we be surprised? And what's this changing form nonsense? She shapeshifts too? Besides being the Glowy Exposition Orb?

Oh and the WW is possibly taking on the form of the sea serpent? Wow, that doesn't sound at all like some other character does it? Even if they don't go the WW=LotGK route in SC, having the WW take on sea serpent form in VDT guarantees most of the non-book fans who watch SC (if it gets made and at this point I don't want it to) will assume that she is the WW.

If everything we've heard over the last few days is true, then I have no respect left for Walden and I hope the movie flops. I'd rather never have another CoN movie than see the books be trashed and mutilated to suit studios who think the world is made up of ADHD-ridden masses who can't watch a movie without action and cheesy angst shoved into every crevice. I guess at this point we shouldn't be surprised. This is the company that gave us The Seeker and Journey to the Center of the Earth, two movies that could not possible have been worse adaptations of great books.

This whole White Witch/Dark Island setup has disheartened me about the possibility of the film being good. You know, one of the major themes that PJ understood from Lord of the Rings was that victory would come "not through force of arms..." And it looks like this is being lost in every single Narnia film.

I don't mind the blue orb for Ramandu's daughter, though it sounds like it could come off as goofy.

As for whether the movie flops, I'm so torn right now. I'm still hoping against hope that the film is good and somehow works, but I'm not sure it's within the realm of possibility, and even if the film works as a film, I'm not really wanting it to work. I'm wanting my beloved book back.

I'm starting to think that maybe Caspian indicating Lucy to Susan will be the subplot to Lucy's vanity and not to Suspian. Although i still don't like the idea of Caspian thinking Lucy is Susan I hope he doesn't go overboard by showing a disappointed look afterwards or else this crew will have serious liability at their hands for not fixing this problem and that Caspian/Lilliandil's romance will come out as a lie. I don't want that to happen!

I have come to the same conclusion. Hopefully that is why they added that, to lead up to Lucy wanting to be like Susan.But just like you said hopefully they will not have Caspian be disappointed, that would be crazy cause he knows Susan can not come back. Maybee he will be like "Oh you look so much older that I thought you were Susan" and nothing more will be said about it. So I am suspicious of it but I am not going to strees it because it could just be nothig, HOPEFULLY . We will not know fully till we see the movie, and plus like you said Damsel they will have to have Caspian marry Lilliandil if they are going to continue the series YAY!!!

I haven't seen us Narniawebbers this upset since the trailer came out. Come on guys, lighten up. If you can't think of any reason to, well here's some.

1. Clip #1 sounds great! Edmund may not actually be trying to hit Edmund, and the "fight " in the bedroom may just be verbal. After all, in the clip we saw of that scene there weren't any signs of physical violence.

2.I'm pretty sure the "Susan! It's okay, I've got you" line is going to be played more for laughs then as a reference to Suspian.

3.It's going to be great seeing Eustace's reaction to Reepicheep, and I think it makes sense for them to combine the tail swinging with the water stealing. "Reep smacks Eustace for stealing, lying about stealing, and then for good measure."

4.I think the crew and the audience merely assumed the dufflepuds were large because of their large footprints and long "strides".

5.We don't know for sure whether Lucy was kidnapped, and there's at least some evidence that she wasn't.

6.Maybe Lucy only said enough of the beauty spell to see what she would look like if she finished it.

7.We now know what the 7 swords are for. Come on, we've been asking for this and now we have it. I don't see how finding the 7 swords is any more like a video game than filling the 4 thrones at Cair Paravel is like a video game. I think they need to lay them at Aslan's feet not so much to give him the power to destroy the dark island, he could do it whenever he wanted to, but as proof that they have "defeated the darkness within themselves" like Coriakin said they had to do.

8.We do not know for sure if the White Witch is controlling the dark island, it could be something she put together during her reign, or perhaps it's an attempt by LotGK or even Tash to bring her back, and even if that weren't the case, this guarantees that Jadis will NOT be LotGK. After all, it would make no sense for them to have her come back so quickly and easily after they JUST stopped her from using a method that has taken over 1300 years to reach full strength.

9.Perhaps "punishment for stealing gold" is just how Apted described it, or even a slip of the tongue, not how it will look in the movie, and dragon Eustace will be comforted by Reepicheep.

10.At least we know Caspian is going to fall in love with Lilliandil, so good bye Suspian . In the book everyone thought that until they saw her they had never known what beauty meant. It would be hard to portray that if Caspian were the only one to comment on her beauty, and I'm pretty sure Edmund's "No!" will be all we here of it, since it's so near the end of the movie. If so, then I may allow myself a smile at that point.

11.I can imagine violence being forbidden at Aslan's table, and just because in the book they were put to sleep for touching the stone knife doesn't mean that if they had fought with other weapons they wouldn't have still been put to sleep. They could put Rhoop to sleep without him touching the stone knife.

12.The SS (sea serpent) will be "by far the most fearsome creature seen in a "Narnia" movie so far" , and given the comparative sizes of DE (Dragon Eustace) and SS it's unlikely DE will have any more weight in the battle than regular Eustace had. Because of this, I think there is a good chance that his undragoning will not come off as a reward for his bravery.

13.It does not explicitly say that they are given a choice to go to Aslan's country, just that those who go won't come back and that the children want to go home, which may not be as related as they seem.

14.The last adventure of Reepicheep sounds absolutely perfect. Lucy's hug , Eustace's tearful farewell, it's all there.

And last but not least, 15.I brought virtual cookies!

^^ I'm not upset! I'm with you! I am happy with what the clips are telling us! so awesome!
yes, I am SO happy that Lucy gets to hug Reepicheep at the end! yay!
wow, this movie looks so good! and the best thing is all the people who saw it have a very positive outlook about it!

7.We now know what the 7 swords are for. Come on, we've been asking for this and now we have it. I don't see how finding the 7 swords is any more like a video game than filling the 4 thrones at Cair Paravel is like a video game. I think they need to lay them at Aslan's feet not so much to give him the power to destroy the dark island, he could do it whenever he wanted to, but as proof that they have "defeated the darkness within themselves" like Coriakin said they had to do.

THANK YOU!!!! I've been wondering about the reasons behind this subplot for days! This actually makes sense! Like in PC, where they had to prove themselves to Aslan! And this would totally incorporate in the theme of being tested and tempted. They've just made the stakes a little more high (still cheesy and o so Hollywood, but at least it now all serves a purpose). IF THEY PLAY
THEIR CARDS RIGHT, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY STILL BE GOOD.

thanks and cheers to you, I was almost giving up on the film!

Here's my initial reaction to the return of the white witch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyPGaGecAo

Now hand me those cookies.

Any thoughts on the articles that jusat turrned up today? They make me significantly happier.

I wish they had just stuck to the original idea and have the main villian be the Lady of the Green Kirtle with her soul sucking cave being the big problem. It would have at least been creative, and the concept art looked pretty good.

What we've got now really is making me loose hope for this film.

^^ don't loose hope! it might be better than you think when you actually see it!

well, I'm not saying I would have thought of any of this if I was making the movie, but I am not dissapointed!

"Oh you look so much older that I thought you were Susan"

Joy, I hope thats what he says b/c otherwise I will be very disappointed. I mean, even if it does add to Lucy's vanity problem (They might even be going to far with this) its not a good idea. There a million other ways to do this, it doesn't have reference Suspian, especially in such a cheesy way.

From what they are telling us, I think Edmund is being a bit of a jerk. Yes, he doesn't like Eustace in the book, but he isn't a bully. Obviously it may not come off that way in the movie so I'm still hopeful. I hope he doesn't seem immature. That wouldn't make sense: Ed is immature in LWW, very mature in PC, and back to square one in VDT? Anyways, he is my favorite character and thsi is the last we will see of him for sometime!

I wish they had just stuck to the original idea and have the main villian be the Lady of the Green Kirtle with her soul sucking cave being the big problem. It would have at least been creative, and the concept art looked pretty good.

I could not disagree more. The current Dark Island/WW oriented plot is perhaps not ideal, but its still a million times better than the awful Soul Eating Cave/LOTGK abomination of an idea. At least the Dark Island is actually in the book, and the WW is actually referenced in the book.