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FriendofNarnia2
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Ahh! According to ComingSoon.net's report, THE WHITE WITCH will return unless Caspian finds the seven swords!

I am officially panicking. This isn't happening. Am I on the Dark Island right now?

Well if she's really a nightmare, of course she'd return. That's what Dark Island is; the place where your nightmares come TRUE. That idea is completely in keeping with the book.

The problem is that the White Witch was already defeated by Aslan, so it doesn't really make much sense.

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Posted : September 28, 2010 9:32 am
Glumpuddle
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Well if she's really a nightmare, of course she'd return. That's what Dark Island is; the place where your nightmares come TRUE. That idea is completely in keeping with the book.

How is it in keeping with the book? VDT does not have a villain because it's not about defeating a villain.

It appears that the entire reason they set out on the voyage in the first place is to prevent the White Witch's return. In other words, to save their own skin. This is not AT ALL in keeping with the book. In the book, Caspian sets out because of a sense of responsibility to right the wrongs his uncle committed.

I guess this isn't that surprising. Hollywood gave up on the idea of characters doing the right thing because it's the right thing a long time ago. Now, characters have to be forced to do the right thing. The nobility is gone.

Your interpretation of the Dark Island doesn't seem right. The dreams don't actually become real. After they escape the Dark Island, Lewis writes that all at once they realized there was nothing to be afraid of and never had been.


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Posted : September 28, 2010 10:22 am
Savber100
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Excellent find icarus! :D
You always amaze me with how you find all of this information.

Anyways, in going over the article, I've found the talk on 3D slightly more encouraging that what was previously mentioned. It seems like the 3D is not going to be just a useless gimmick that the studio suddenly decided to apply. Definitely a plus for the film’s critical reception.
Also I’m really glad that they finally gave the reason for replacing Eddie Izzard. Don’t really agree with Apted’s decision but I can see where he’s coming form. The dialogue at Ramandu’s island had me facepalming myself but I doubt it will hold a significant impact on the film.

The big con I see is the entire idea of “the seven swords must be placed at Aslan’s feet in order to destroy the Dark Island”. What is this? A plot premise for a video game? It sounds cliché and totally unnecessary.
Also the return of the White Witch concerns me. Yes, I know that reports have shown that she would only have a brief appearance but that doesn’t stop anyone from having the plot centered on her impending return. From what I see, this is exactly what they're doing. Hope it isn't true.
Overall, this is still good stuff despite the cons I mentioned. Still hoping for the best. :)

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Posted : September 28, 2010 10:27 am
7chronicles
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Overall I Love it! :D :)
But I do have some concerns, the first being: The White Which! X( Really? :- Again?
I knew she was going to be in the nightmare scene, but the cause of the Mist? If she hadn’t made an appearance in PC it would not be as tiresome, but at least she was mentioned in that book! I feel like the White Witch is just becoming an excuse for every bad thing that happens in Narnia! =;
But to be honest I feel much better about the whole seven swords thing, it seems like it will flow with the plot smoothly. #:-s :)
I’m loving Reep’s character in this, once again I think they nailed him! :D I especially Love that they kept Lucy hugging him! And him comforting Eustace as a Dragon! :D
I can’t wait to see Eustace, I’ll loving his scenes! I really think they nailed his character as well! :)
Overall I feel like a lot has been cleared up and I feel much better and even more exited about the film (if that is even possible! ;) ),
but I am still holding my breath with some key plot decisions. :)

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : September 28, 2010 10:35 am
FriendofNarnia2
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The dreams don't actually become real. After they escape the Dark Island, Lewis writes that all at once they realized there was nothing to be afraid of and never had been.

I just thought that meant that there was no need to be afraid because Aslan had been with them all along.

I think when they first set out they have no intention of putting an end to some type of dark evil. They are most likely just traveling to the Lone Islands, and it is there that they find that they have a mission to fulfill. So in that sense, they won't be going on the voyage out of a sense of duty. At least not initially.

I also don't think it will be until they reach the Dark Island that they realize the White Witch is involved. I also think the only reason she will be there is because she is part of Edmund's nightmare. Once he defeats the enemy from within than I think she will go away.

Also, does the article actually say that the Witch is the cause of the evil mist? I might of read the article wrong, but I didn't get that.

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Posted : September 28, 2010 10:42 am
wolfloversk
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It appears that the entire reason they set out on the voyage in the first place is to prevent the White Witch's return. In other words, to save their own skin. This is not AT ALL in keeping with the book. In the book, Caspian sets out because of a sense of responsibility to right the wrongs his uncle committed.

Nay. Not if it was Coriakin who told them about it. The reason they started their journey, was to find the seven missing lords, that I'm sure of. As for why they continue after they reach the Magician's Island, likely (as much as I also hate to admit it) its a mixture of both. I have a feeling though that the swords subplot will not override the main reason, I don't know why I just have that feeling.

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Posted : September 28, 2010 10:44 am
Watziznehm
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wolfloversk, that is all fine and great, but I have a problem, like glumPuddle, with there being any kind of fight with evil. VDT, the book, is about people at war with themselves more than at war with others and how they deal with that. That is one thing which, to me, is so awesome about VDT. Now, the movie sounds like it will lose this idea in the shuffle of things! :(

EDIT: Another thing which makes me mad revolves around the simple question of, "why?" Lots of the changes seem to conform to a Hollywood sterotype, like two guys fighting over a girl or having to always save the whole flippin' world every time. There is seems to be no other reason for these changes. Therefore, this is unacceptable!


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Posted : September 28, 2010 10:55 am
wolfloversk
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^I actually agree with this, if I had it my way there wouldn't be a seven swords sub-plot, but from the interveiw it sounds like they are going to focus on the internal struggles (ie defeating temptation, Eustace learning not to be so bratty etc. etc.) I hope this is true because, to me, the internal struggles represented in VDT are fights with some of the greatest kinds of evils- greed, hate, judging people, and succumbing to temptation. And I agree with your point- I don't want the white witch to overshadow any of these, but I think all the evidence we have so far suggesats that she won't. I'm still holding out hope that the subplot won't be to major of a change and that it won't affect the themes of the book, but none of us will know for sure until we see it.

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Posted : September 28, 2010 11:06 am
Edis1
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I was really worried that they would change the story, and they have. I don't like it when people add stuff to a really good story just to make it more exciting. Why do they have to keep adding the White Witch to books she is not supposed to be in? It's fine that she is on the dark island because she is just one of Edmund's dreams, but she doesn't need to be any where else. I am really sad :( it looks like VDT is going to be another PC but worse!

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Posted : September 28, 2010 11:06 am
ForeverFan
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Wow...hmm...I'm not sure what to think as I only skimmed the article so as to not be too spoiler-ised, but I didn't really like the parts I read about the swords/Dark Island plot/etc.

I did rather find the part where Eustace keeps track of how long Edmund and Lucy were at his house to be amusing, though.

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Posted : September 28, 2010 11:16 am
wolfloversk
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Lots of the changes seem to conform to a Hollywood sterotype, like two guys fighting over a girl... There is seems to be no other reason for these changes. Therefore, this is unacceptable!

I know that'd better be the only scene where Ed finds her attractive, although that's probably wishful thinking on my part. Please do not make Narnia a greek god love triangle, movie peoples!

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Posted : September 28, 2010 11:24 am
Valiant
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Wow, there has been so little news and now all of a sudden BAM! Well that was to be expected, but I'm still processing the information.

Firstly, Eustace sounds AWSOME! I just know I'm going to love him! I also like Susan writing the letter and that she and her parents are delayed b/c of the war. I'm fine with those ideas.

Edmund liking Lilliandil? NO, please. I mean if it has to be in there please let that be the only comment b/c I do not want a love triangle. Its supposed to be all about Lilliandil and Caspian! Argg, I know it sounds funny, but I'm worried they'll take it too far.

Seven swords?? The Witch? How many times must the Witch be defeated? Its going to get old with a lot of people, especially people who aren't book fans. It will also look like Aslan can't really defeat someone.

OH no. I honesty thought we were worring about nothing (with regards to the Witch and the seven swords thing) and that that wouldn't happen! But it did. They changed the plot a lot. Their (the characters) motives have now changed, and as a result so has their character. I do not like that Lucy is kidnapped. I like that she CHOOSES to go.

And Aslan gives them a choice of going to his country and they refuse? Firstly, Aslan wouldn't give them that choice, and if he did, they would go to Aslan's country not home. I hope they don't learn "there is not place liek home" or something. That moral is in the wrong story. After all, they are searching for they're true home, which would be with Aslan. And I wish Reep left before he saw Aslan- then we wouldn't know if he survived or not.

So overall I was happy with the first few spoilers and then got a little disappointed with the last ones. I don't know what to think . I just hope it goes well b/c some of that stuff is a bit corny (like the whole "quest setup" with Coriakin.) I'm soo confused :-s. I am soo happy about Eustace (and Reep!) though.


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Posted : September 28, 2010 11:40 am
Shastafan
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Wow... For some days, I've been saying that there should be some major spoilers soon, but this is chaos! :-o

It's not that I dislike all the changes. I think I'm really going to love Eustace in this movie! Reepicheep also is looking fantastic! But the big seven swords plot? The WW having so much importance? And what's the deal with the Dark Island being part of the unfathomable fate?! This is so much new info to comprehend! Something tells me it won't be until December that we'll fully understand all of this! :- :-s :| :(( 8-}


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Posted : September 28, 2010 12:07 pm
Trufflehunter
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Of course, of course.

This is Hollywood, they're going to make changes, but i think, when looking at it as a whole, these changes are better than it could have been.

-The boys' awkwardness in front of Lilliandil. (Better than Caspian being attracted to Lucy, or seeing Susan in the Magician's book, etc.)

-Battle against the Sea Serpent (they added the Night Raid, why wouldn't they add an action sequence?!? At least this is based upon something that happens in the book, unlike the scuffle at Narrowhaven.)

-Lucy being kidnapped by Dufflepud's/ Caspian's having to find the seven lords/swords to save Narnia (it adds more drama and suspense, in the film maker's eyes, who would want to see Lucy/ Caspian volunteer to do it?)

-The White Witch (if, in fact, this is even true, it's a heck of a lot better than it involving the Lady of the Green Kertle. It's still more than terrible, but, since you can't ever really kill a witch, it's better to bring back an old one than to introduce a new one early than in the books....)

-The Eustace/ Reepicheep fight, and the Dragon Eustace/ Reepicheep confrontation sound absolutely AMAZING! Can't wait to see these on screen, these scenes sound like they are mirroring the book exactly!

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Posted : September 28, 2010 12:33 pm
daughter of the King
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At the moment I am still so overwhelmed by all of the spoilers that I'm not sure this post is going to make any sense. Anyway, the White Witch? Seriously? Again? I once joked in the Town Square about starting a club: "The Society for Witches Who are Dead to Stay That Way." I'm not joking anymore. The White Witch is dead. Dead. Dead. She can't come back. In PC the scene with her almost made sense, but this makes no sense at all.

They changed Caspian's line to RD. It's not cute anymore. That was one of my favorite lines in the book.

Edmund is acting like a brat.

Invisible giants? What ever happened to Lucy wanting to read the spell because it was an honorable and heroic act? *sigh*

The seven swords of the seven lost lords........it sounds like a cheesy cartoon. A very cheesy cartoon.

How does Coriakin know everything?

Edmund and Lucy stay at the Scrubbs' for 253 days??? That's a long time.

Edmund/Lilliandil/Caspian love triangle? /:) 8-|

Oh, and what about the MLG??????

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Posted : September 28, 2010 12:54 pm
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