A couple of thoughts:

1. Caspian mistaking Lucy for Susan: - have you never looked at someone in a swimming pool and been unable to recognise them? or mixed up two girls because their wet hair is stuck to the sides of the head and you can't tell which is which? It's several years since Caspian saw Susan, and suddenly he sees a girl in the water who looks like Susan.... How is he supposed to know how much time has elapsed in England? How is he expected to know it's Lucy, who was at least a year younger when he saw her disappear into the tree-door (wearing those CGI plaits... )

2. Edmund reacting to Lilliandil: he is supposed to be 15 or even 16, and of course he is going to notice a dazzlingly beautiful young woman! It doesn't mean he will compete with Caspian for her. But that little scene where they both say "No" is sweet.

^ I don't see how Caspian and Edmund being turned on by RD is "sweet."

The scene looks like typical Hollywood nonsense. Hollywood believes that the only reason people could fall in love quickly is physical attraction. I shouldn't be surprised.

It's also another example of the filmmakers pressing the easy button. Instead of implying a deeper emotional connection they might find in their short time together, they just say "whatever, Caspian thinks she's hot. Nuff said." (Just like how they drive the story using yet another plot to save the world instead of developing characters we get emotionally invested it)

What would have happened if they had not said "no" right away? Would she have gained 150 pounds or what?
RD: "Is that better?"
Caspian: "No, please change back! Be hot again!"
Edmund: "Could please you have brown hair this time?"

The film looks like a stepchild of Pirates of the Caribbean and Harry Potter. Hence the need for this kind of sexual tension that will make audiences giggle. Think of Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth in the Pirates sequels, and about half the Half-Blood Prince movie. Sex sells and Fox knows it.

And you're right, the Witch/Sea Serpent thing is *so* unlogical. Whoever reported that really had no basis for *saying* that they were the same. He said 'I think they might be' the same. And Narniawebbers took it from there. =) But really, if you think about it *logically* they probably won't be the same.

I doubt that the Sea Serpent is actually the White Witch. But what is possible is that the same evil which is manifesting itself as the Witch also manifests itself as a Sea Serpent, i.e. the "Evil behind the Darkness." That would seem more logical. Of course, the Sea Serpent could also be a separate creature entirely that was simply summoned by the seemingly sentient darkness, which would be much better and I would be much happier with that. Which is more likely? Dunno.

I doubt that the Sea Serpent is actually the White Witch. But what is possible is that the same evil which is manifesting itself as the Witch also manifests itself as a Sea Serpent, i.e. the "Evil behind the Darkness."

Hmmm, that actually does make sense. I can see how AC could have thought that from seeing the footage though.

Hollywood believes that the only reason people could fall in love quickly is physical attraction. I shouldn't be surprised.

Whats funny is that Lilliandil isnt even that attractive. I mean she's pretty, but Lucy looks better. And due to the fact that Lucy's character arc revolves around her insecurities with looks, this isnt a good thing.

I'd have to agree with Josh. She's nice-looking, but a bit average. Not beauty beyond the lot of mortals or anything, so I'm hoping there isn't a lot of dialogue with Caspian gushing over her because it'll just make people laugh.

^ I don't see how Caspian and Edmund being turned on by RD is "sweet."

The scene looks like typical Hollywood nonsense. Hollywood believes that the only reason people could fall in love quickly is physical attraction. I shouldn't be surprised.

It's also another example of the filmmakers pressing the easy button. Instead of implying a deeper emotional connection they might find in their short time together, they just say "whatever, Caspian thinks she's hot. Nuff said." (Just like how they drive the story using yet another plot to save the world instead of developing characters we get emotionally invested it)

What would have happened if they had not said "no" right away? Would she have gained 150 pounds or what?
RD: "Is that better?"
Caspian: "No, please change back! Be hot again!"
Edmund: "Could please you have brown hair this time?"

The film looks like a stepchild of Pirates of the Caribbean and Harry Potter. Hence the need for this kind of sexual tension that will make audiences giggle. Think of Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth in the Pirates sequels, and about half the Half-Blood Prince movie. Sex sells and Fox knows it.

This is the first thing Caspian says to Ramandu's daughter after she explains what happened to the sleepers. Keep in mind this is the first time they've met and only the second thing he's said to her since she appeared.

"And what are we to do with the sleepers?" asked Caspian. "In the world from which my friends come" (here he nodded at Eustace and the Pevensies) "they have a story of a prince or a king coming to a castle where all the people lay in an enchanted sleep. In that story he could not dissolve the enchantment until he had kissed the Princess."
"But here," said the girl, "it is different. Here he cannot kiss the Princess till he has dissolved the enchantment."
"Then," said Caspian, "in the name of Aslan, show me how to set about that work at once."

Perhaps I read between the lines all wrong, but isn't he basically implying that he'd really like to kiss her even though they've just met? One might see this a thing of shallow physical atraction as well. In the trailer there's no mention of kissing at least. If you're gonna get mad at the movie for the whole physical atraction thing, then you should be furious with the book for having that in there.

Also, as much as I hate to say this, having Edmund and Caspian both say "no" is probably a way of trying to adapt the book and show that she's supposed to be amazingly beautiful. Since not everyone has the same idea of beauty, they have to indicate somehow that this woman is drop dead gorgeous. Hopefully, this is the only comment made by Edmund regaurding her beauty. He isn't supposed to trust her. But I suppose it is possible to like how someone looks while not trusting them.

Edmund said:
When I look in your face I can't help believing all you say: but then that's what might happen with a witch too. How are we to know you're a friend?"

I may be able to slightly justify them preceiving that Edmund thinks she is nice to look at. He compared her to a witch. Witches in the CoN are supposed to be extemely beautiful, so if someone is beautiful in their current state I can see not wanting them to change. That doesn't mean he's drooling over her.

I assume by "change forms" she means she can be a glowy ball again, I don't think she meant she was going to change into a balding, fat old man or anything.

I'd have to agree with Josh. She's nice-looking, but a bit average. Not beauty beyond the lot of mortals or anything, so I'm hoping there isn't a lot of dialogue with Caspian gushing over her because it'll just make people laugh.

You know who she reminds me of? Eowyn from Lord of the Rings. While Eowyn wasnt bad looking, I just kept thinking "Aragorn pick Arwen, she's so much better looking". Ramandu's Daughter is suppossed to have an Arwen like beauty. But right now, she seems sort of plain.

Anyway, is the Sea Serpant an actual serpant in the movie, or a manifestation of a nightmare from Dark Island?

Seems like we had a report indicating that the serpent was a nightmare, but I've forgotten which one it was. Maybe from the storybook.

^Yeah I remember that too, I'm pretty sure you're right- it's either from that or the screenings. I'd rather they'd encounter it seperately, but I'll be happy as long as it isn't the witch...

I don't know Josh, I'd prefer to pick Eowyn.

^Yeah I remember that too, I'm pretty sure you're right- it's either from that or the screenings. I'd rather they'd encounter it seperately, but I'll be happy as long as it isn't the witch...

If I had to guess, I would say the serpent and the witch are manifestations of Dark Island, both are nightmares made real, hence the confusion in the reports about whether it's the witch or not.

I don't know Josh, I'd prefer to pick Eowyn.

Well your the first guy I've seen that has said that. Everyone I know likes Arwen better. But this is off topic.

I know the sea serpant attack takes place during the Dark Island, but I was unsure if it was because the serpant was already living around the island or if it was because one of the crew had a nightmare about a serpant and it came to life.

Just read the article.
Why must the witch be defeated again?
And everything with the swords sounds really cheesy.
And Edmund does not seem to have matured any, contrary to what the article said.
And I'm getting more and more disappointed with this movie

Perhaps I read between the lines all wrong, but isn't he basically implying that he'd really like to kiss her even though they've just met? One might see this a thing of shallow physical atraction as well. In the trailer there's no mention of kissing at least. If you're gonna get mad at the movie for the whole physical atraction thing, then you should be furious with the book for having that in there.

I do think you're reading between the lines wrong. Caspian wants to be with RD; that's all we know. Had she "changed forms" to be less beautiful, I don't think it would have made any difference. Caspian falling in love with RD so quickly always suggested untold internal backstory to me. Perhaps this has been on Caspian's heart or mind for some time now? Was there something about RD that made him realize it was her he'd been seeking? VDT is about the longing for one's true home, and ultimately the joy of finding it. Caspian sailing to the world's end and returning with a bride is a part of that. (This is why I found the idea of Caspian dreaming about RD before meeting her interesting when I read it in the leaked script)
I also think Lewis can get away with this because he does such a good job at telling a fairy-tale. The movies, on the other hand, tend to try to be more grounded and realistic.

In the movie, it's clear it would've made all the difference if she'd changed forms because Caspian immediately shouts "No!" when she suggests changing form (presumably into a form that it less hot).

My point here is that there is a lot going on underneath the surface in the book. There's depth and subtlety. It suggests that there is more going on inside Caspian than we know, and ties into the main theme of the book. Whereas the movie bangs you over the head with it just to make you giggle. Nothing subtle about it. At least, that is how it comes across in the trailer.

This seems to be a case of the screenwriters knowing what Lewis wrote, but not knowing why he wrote it or what it actually means.

Also, as much as I hate to say this, having Edmund and Caspian both say "no" is probably a way of trying to adapt the book and show that she's supposed to be amazingly beautiful.

I agree with you here. This is often the case with films. But you can do that without resorting to the two kings tripping over their tongues and making fools of themselves.

But I don't think RD being beautiful is that important of a point. If audiences don't get that she's supposed to be very beautiful, I don't think they'd be missing much.